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highplainsdem

(51,814 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:40 AM Aug 8

Oh, no. The British band Silveroller, which I was so enthusiastic about, has lost three of the five members

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who've been together the last few years.

Lead singer Jonnie Hodson and drummer Joe Major are continuing as Silveroller with a new guitarist and bass player - no keyboardist yet. They're hoping to have a keyboardist before gigs scheduled later this year.

I didn't see anything on what guitarist Aaron Keylock, bassist Jake James Cornes, and keyboardist Ross Munro will be doing - whether they're staying together and forming a band, or just going their separate ways.

This was announced several days ago - https://rockposer.com/2024/08/02/silveroller-announce-their-line-up-change-just-push-play-festival-tour-dates-coming-up/ - but I didn't see it right away because I was so focused on political news I didn't check for any news about the band for the last week or so.

I was particularly sorry to hear about the split because although both Jonnie and Aaron have written very good songs on their own, earlier in their careers, the core of their sound, what made them decide to form a band, was cowriting songs that were even better.

It's been a very rough time for any new band to succeed. Silveroller was a slightly different lineup from the first version of the band, called Keylock, which had a change of keyboardists and bassists before changing their name to Silveroller. Keylock had released a couple of singles that got attention and played at a major festival just before Covid shut everything down.

They hadn't wanted to use the name Keylock then, but had to do so (as I understand it) because of pressure from the managers Aaron Keylock had, still, from his solo career earlier. The name change probably made it harder for the band.

And the economy and changes in the industry made it much harder to succeed. Between Covid, Brexit and inflation, lots of the smaller music venues in the UK have closed in recent years. Venues that helped launch the careers of lots of famous bands in the past. There have been organizations lobbying for more government assistance for the venues, arguing that even if superstar concerts and large festivals are still successful, the smaller venues that were an essential part of the pipeline for musicians to reach that level are disappearing.

And generative AI for music is very harmful for real musicians. There are indications that platforms like Spotify are filling up playlists with music at least partially created by AI, music that costs them almost nothing. The major record labels are now suing the two most successful AI music companies - which have admitted they used copyrighted music without permission for training their AI but claim it's "fair use" (it isn't) - but unless the labels can shut them down, we'll continue to see a lot of AI crap generated by no-talent wannabes, who don't want to bother acquiring skills, flooding the streaming platforms.

So it's been sort of a perfect storm for musicians to have to deal with.

I wish all these young musicians In Silveroller the best. They're incredibly talented. They deserved much more success than they've had so far.

Here at DU, most of the music we see posted is classic rock, from an era when it was easier for musicians to succeed. We will always have that music - at least as long as we own physical or digital copies of it and can play them. (Not sure we can continue to trust Spotify and similar platforms to continue making most of real music available if AI means more money and control for them.)

And I'm sure we will always have talented young musicians trying to succeed. But the odds against them are worse these days.

And they'll keep worsening if we don't reject AI music for the theft-based abomination it is. I've been seeing more and more about AI music - including soundalike covers of classic hits by what are apparently AI artists, nonexistent musicians with no discoverable history - popping up on streaming services. They're selling content, not art, trying to create something that costs them next to nothing and is just good enough that people won't stop listening immediately. Those creating and peddling AI music are betting that listeners/consumers don't really care if it's real music from real musicians with real lives and real struggles, just as long as it sounds kind of familiar. They don't give a damn about real musicians, and don't see listeners as anything but consumers to be manipulated as much as possible.

I don't know if the threat posed by AI music played any direct role in the five guys in Silveroller splitting up. But they have to have been aware of it, even if the harm done by AI to musicians isn't as obvious already as the harm done to artists and writers. The head of one of the most popular AI music companies said months ago that their goal was to put Spotify out of business - to have people stop listening to real music, giving that up in favor of playing with generative AI, using AI to pretend they're creative by giving the AI a few words as a prompt so it will churn out fake music in seconds, thanks to those companies having stolen all the copyrighted music they could steal. The AI companies' sales pitch is that they make everyone creative.

Which is BS.

Resist AI.

Especially if you care at all about real artists having any real chance of success in the future.

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Oh, no. The British band Silveroller, which I was so enthusiastic about, has lost three of the five members (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 8 OP
Thanks. Never heard of them. Kind of throwback like Jet etc.. bullimiami Aug 8 #1
Jonnie and Aaron were both very influenced by classic rock and blues, years before they started highplainsdem Aug 8 #2
Unsurprising ProfessorGAC Aug 8 #3
True. Plus I think it hurt them that they lived so far apart they couldn't do frequent gigs in one city or highplainsdem Aug 8 #4
No Doubt ProfessorGAC Aug 8 #5
Sounds as if your talents would've been wasted in that band. P!us that would've been way too highplainsdem Aug 8 #6
Hey folks TheReverend Sep 9 #7
Hi, Jonnie, and welcome to DU and our Music Appreciation forum! You have fans here who've been hoping highplainsdem Sep 9 #8

highplainsdem

(51,814 posts)
2. Jonnie and Aaron were both very influenced by classic rock and blues, years before they started
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:41 AM
Aug 8

working together.

If you use either the Google site search in the upper right corner or, better (but available only to Star members), the advanced search using the Search This Forum link, searching MA for my user name and the keywords silveroller or keylock, going back through last September, should turn up almost all my posts about them. There are some in the Lounge, too. I also posted about their earlier work, Aaron Keylock solo and Jonnie Hodson with Black Cat Bones and the Head Hunters Blues Band (which I think still exists and Jonnie's still with, as a side project; they're a brilliant blues cover band).

You'll find lots of videos of them live, too.

Here's a video from Classic Rock magazine about them when they were called Keylock, then the first two singles from Keylock, then their first two singles as Silveroller. And then links to threads about their tour supporting Dutch band DeWolff this spring, with lots of rave reviews and live performances in the OPs and replies:











Live, on tour:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1034116660

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1034117382

ProfessorGAC

(69,180 posts)
3. Unsurprising
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:35 PM
Aug 8

Too bad though.
With the meat grinder the business has become (it's always been that, but worse now) bands may have to break up because members need to get regular jobs & get on with life.

highplainsdem

(51,814 posts)
4. True. Plus I think it hurt them that they lived so far apart they couldn't do frequent gigs in one city or
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 03:38 PM
Aug 8

area and build up a fan base to help.support them.that way.

ProfessorGAC

(69,180 posts)
5. No Doubt
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 03:44 PM
Aug 8

Before my last band, I got an offer from a major club act in Chicago.
But, they rehearsed in a warehouse nearly 60 miles away. With surface streets involved, that trip was 80 minutes minimum.
Now, they made tons of money but the drive was hard to stomach & the role was weird.
I'd play both keys & guitar, and I got to decide which, but they already had a good guitar player & a keyboard player. So, I'd be constantly trying to figure how to augment without interfering. And 3 guys already sang, so I'd mostly be doing falsetto high harmonies, and I'd probably never sing lead.
I might have given it a shot but 320 miles a week extra driving? Very unappealing.
So, I get how distance is a band killer.

highplainsdem

(51,814 posts)
6. Sounds as if your talents would've been wasted in that band. P!us that would've been way too
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 04:28 PM
Aug 8

much driving. One of my brother's bands had a drummer who lived nearly 40 miles away, but that was almost entirely highway.

TheReverend

(1 post)
7. Hey folks
Mon Sep 9, 2024, 06:28 PM
Sep 9

Firstly, thank you all for your support. I stumbled across this when I was searching for something to do with the band and I've read through some of the threads on us, so hugely appreciate all your interest.
We're still alive and kicking, and you're right the music business isn't an easy thing to navigate. It wasn't AI, but I can certainly see it becoming a huge problem in the future.
The band changing like that came as a huge shock to me and Joe, from the success of the tour we did with DeWolff, to signing with our booking agent just after the tour, to Classic Rock Magazines feature on the band, for the rug to be pulled the way it was was a huge blow and the last thing I was expecting. Many factors go in to something like that, and I can't say I understand the decisions that were made, but all you can do is react to what is thrown down in front of you!
The lads that have come in have worked incredibly hard to get everything back up and running, it's been none stop, people working 5 days a week then working full weekends in a rehearsal studio, then returning to their day jobs to make it happen. I feel blessed that they dig the music enough to step into a situation like the one we found ourselves in.
Thank you for the support y'all. Keep your eyes on Silveroller, we're only just getting started.
With love,
Rev.JH

highplainsdem

(51,814 posts)
8. Hi, Jonnie, and welcome to DU and our Music Appreciation forum! You have fans here who've been hoping
Mon Sep 9, 2024, 10:39 PM
Sep 9

for an American tour, and we were sorry to hear about a few members leaving after your spring tour with DeWolff got such rave reviews and you were getting that attention from Classic Rock magazine.

You've really been scrambling to get ready for the tour starting on the 13th. I was glad to read on Facebook that you have a keyboardist now, Lucas Tadini. I wish you all the best with this tour and will be keeping an eye out for videos and reviews.

I've posted a lot about Silveroller (and Keylock, and your blues band, and your earlier music) since discovering your first Silveroller single thanks to Classic Rock magazine last fall. I'll post a list of those threads with links tomorrow.

Much as I loved your work with Aaron, I know you have the talent and drive to make the new lineup of the band succeed. I'm just so sorry you've had to deal with bandmates leaving, especially with the tour scheduled so soon.

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