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raccoon

(31,737 posts)
Tue Apr 1, 2025, 04:29 PM Tuesday

I saw a video about the inbred Hapsburgs.

And I thought wouldn’t people have known even centuries ago, about the dangers of inbreeding generation after generations? Wouldn’t they know that from livestock?

Or they knew but figured so what?

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Ocelot II

(123,950 posts)
1. A little inbreeding probably didn't matter to them as long as they could keep power in the family.
Tue Apr 1, 2025, 04:32 PM
Tuesday

Their offspring could be ugly and dumb as long as they kept the hereditary line going. If you're royalty you can get away with being ugly and dumb because your power makes you attractive.

Redleg

(6,419 posts)
2. I assume they had to know what could come of inbreeding
Tue Apr 1, 2025, 04:35 PM
Tuesday

They rolled the dice and took their chances.

Laurelin

(721 posts)
3. I'm not sure
Tue Apr 1, 2025, 04:39 PM
Tuesday

I think the Nazis wanted to do some inbreeding on lippizannaner horses to make them better matched. I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly though.

CountAllVotes

(21,593 posts)
4. Someone I know is married to a man
Tue Apr 1, 2025, 04:46 PM
Tuesday

He is the product of cousin to cousin marriage.

Ewww ... what a mess he is. He has surgery on something or the other every other week it seems.

To make matters worse, he's also a devout know nothing MAGA. UGH!



electric_blue68

(20,603 posts)
8. Gah, I remember seeing paintings of them decades ago. It was a science book on genetics and stuff!
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 06:58 PM
Wednesday

And there was an extremely funny cartoon about royal inbreeding.

soldierant

(8,318 posts)
9. Was he the son of Philip II?
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:01 PM
Wednesday

If so, being physically messed up was probably the least of his hereditary damage.

malthaussen

(18,054 posts)
6. They certainly knew, but didn't care.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 03:28 PM
Wednesday

Dynastic marriages are made to augment the power of a House, and the Hapsburgs were particularly good at it. By the eve of WWI, all the major royal families of Europe were closely related, which meant that a royal would end up marrying a cousin no matter what he did.

Besides, you're forgetting the superiority of Royal blood. Who cares if the kid has a club foot or the brains of a turnip? He has that Royal blood going for him, which makes him automatically superior to those horrible commoners grovelling in the earth. You know, when Edward VIII of Britain decided to marry a commoner in 1936, it created such an outrage he had to abdicate the throne. That's less than 100 years ago. (Yes, there were other objections, but Wallis Simpson's common birth was a major part of the outrage). If you find it hard to believe that actual people actually thought some bloodlines were "superior" despite the plain evidence that inbreeding could cause terrible problems, then you should take another look at the White Supremacist movement, which believes exactly the same thing today. When you know you're superior, nothing is going to change your mind.

-- Mal

Kali

(56,173 posts)
7. inbreeding with livestock is commonly used to enhance desired traits
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 03:35 PM
Wednesday

it obviously can have adverse effects, but it is also a useful tool for creating and maintaining various breeds.

https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g2911

soldierant

(8,318 posts)
10. If the cousin is distant enough (not all cousins are first cousins),
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:02 PM
Wednesday

the kids can be all right. Franklin and Eleanor's kids turned out pretty good.

raccoon

(31,737 posts)
11. Yeah, I know not all cousins are first cousins. Another thing, the Roosevelts didn't keep intermarrying for generations
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:33 AM
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