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Debris is 'landing frame and rear cover from sub', expert says (Original Post) MagaSmash Jun 2023 OP
I watched that a few minutes ago. James48 Jun 2023 #1
If there's a debris field Wednesdays Jun 2023 #2
Carbon fibers prolly don't do well when wet; and under enormous pressures. MagaSmash Jun 2023 #3
I'm sure the X Box controller was brand new Warpy Jun 2023 #5
Horrifying! Seems I'm part of a sympathetic few, contrasting those who smirk & smile at the tragedy. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2023 #4
My heart goes out to the four passengers and their family and friends Rural_Progressive Jun 2023 #7
I wonder then about the "banging" that was heard thucythucy Jun 2023 #6
Could have been anything; We hung onto it for the glimmer of hope it gave us... MagaSmash Jun 2023 #9
Pieces... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #10
So sad. applegrove Jun 2023 #8

James48

(4,991 posts)
1. I watched that a few minutes ago.
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 01:52 PM
Jun 2023

Debris field. If anything more than a few bits remain, they will locate more pieces. Nothing will be coming up alive.

Wednesdays

(21,028 posts)
2. If there's a debris field
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 01:54 PM
Jun 2023

That means the craft imploded, and mercifully everyone on board was dead before they even realized something was wrong.

MagaSmash

(11,186 posts)
3. Carbon fibers prolly don't do well when wet; and under enormous pressures.
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 02:01 PM
Jun 2023

Someone likened the pressures to the Empire state building made of lead. Crunch.

Nonwithstanding using a game controller from the Dollar Store.

Warpy

(114,045 posts)
5. I'm sure the X Box controller was brand new
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 03:05 PM
Jun 2023

but he did boast of using unapproved materials, he had fired the safety engineer who wanted more testing, and apparently he didn't believe in automated shakedown dives. It really was a recipe for disaster and an indictment of overconfidence leading to tragedy.

That game controller was likely the best engineered part of the whole thing and was perfectly adequate to controlling the attitude and motion of the intact submersible.

I would like to see the wreckage found and examined to see what failed. Carbon fiber wasn't the only unapproved material the man used. Remains recovery should not be any sort of priority, see: Byford Dolphin diving bell incident--and that happened at exactly a tenth of the depth of this one.

This is an old and very familiar story, money and hubris leading to tragedy and heartbreak for families. Galt's Gulch is a mass grave, if nobody here figured that out yet.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
4. Horrifying! Seems I'm part of a sympathetic few, contrasting those who smirk & smile at the tragedy.
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 02:01 PM
Jun 2023

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
7. My heart goes out to the four passengers and their family and friends
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 03:17 PM
Jun 2023

The owner, not so much. He did everything he could to avoid the proper testing, regulatory, and licensing procedures. He went cheap on things like the viewport that the manufacturer was only willing to rate to 1300 meters instead of paying what it would have cost to have the part built to handle 4000 meters.

Unlike many I see a necessary place for experimental and innovative designs. Where I don't see those devices belonging is in the tourist industry.

thucythucy

(8,997 posts)
6. I wonder then about the "banging" that was heard
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 03:11 PM
Jun 2023

at various times these last few days.

Is anyone offering any theories on that? Natural phenomenon? Extraneous noise that somehow leaked into the search equipment? Or might the implosion have happened since then, and if so, wouldn't the noise of that event been detected?

2naSalit

(98,104 posts)
10. Pieces...
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 05:07 PM
Jun 2023

Making contact with something, maybe part of the Titantic, or pieces banging against it somewhere in the current?

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