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Rhiannon12866

(244,738 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 02:19 AM Feb 2021

60 Minutes: QAnon's corrosive impact on the U.S.



Tens of millions of Americans believe QAnon's core — and false — theory that an evil cabal of Satan-worshipping elites commits atrocities against children and controls much of the world. Where does this movement stand and who has it impacted? Lesley Stahl reports.


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tulipsandroses

(7,990 posts)
1. The whole thing is so dumb, but I find it especially dumb that Qanon nuts that want to save the kids
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 02:36 AM
Feb 2021

are not concerned with kids in their local neighborhoods. Even if you go along with the stupid belief of democrats, celebrities being pedophiles. What about the kids in your own neighborhood? Most people are abused by people they know, not by strangers. (But hey, facts seem to get in the way of these beliefs). Seems to me that your time would be better spent, or you would be more effective at vanquishing pedophiles if you focused on your own neighborhoods instead of going after the "celebrity pedophiles". Why aren't you trying to take down the pedophiles in your backyard? Those kids don't deserve to be saved? Only the ones that have been abused by well known people?

nuxvomica

(13,687 posts)
2. A key takeaway: the former Hillary supporter
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 03:33 AM
Feb 2021

One of the interviewed said his mother was a Hillary supporter in 2016 but now she's in the thrall of the Q scam. This is why Repubs won't push back on this: it means votes. They have never missed an opportunity to harness delusion to win votes. It's never really been the party of law and order, or economic growth, or national security; Democratic administrations have consistently surpassed Republican ones in these areas. Yet they've created a mythic universe in which they are better at all three, and Q fits smoothly onto that delusional continuum.

Rhiannon12866

(244,738 posts)
4. They have also become the party that thrives on hate - hate and delusion
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:20 AM
Feb 2021

I believe that this started when Reagan began his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where the bodies of those 3 civil rights workers were found buried in an earthen dam in 1964. This sent a signal to the Southern states and Jimmy Carter lost the South and the election.

wnylib

(25,338 posts)
6. Yes, Reagan reached out to people who
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:54 AM
Feb 2021

reacted against the civil rights achievements of the 1960s and 1970s and encouraged a backlash. That's what he meant in saying that government was the problem and not the solution. Government funds were involved in desegregation of businesses and schools. Reagan aligned himself with Jerry Falwell and the Christian Coalition to make the restoration and preservation of "core American values" a religious political cause. They defined those "core American values" as white Christian values.

From that point to the last president, Republican presidential candidates were mere figureheads to draw in the voters - Reagan with his developing Alzheimer's, Bush Jr who couldn't speak a coherent sentence, and the orange menace who rose to new heights of deliberate incompetence as the one that Russians described as low intelligence with a hyperinflated ego.

Bush Sr ran the nation behind the image of Reagan. Cheney did the same with Bush Jr. But Trump broke the Republican mold, refusing to be reigned in. Since he brought them votes and pushed their conservative agenda, they were willing to make a pact with the devil by accepting him.

Rhiannon12866

(244,738 posts)
7. Excellent points. It truly boggles the mind how many otherwise "normal" people are taken in
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:03 AM
Feb 2021

I used to think that too many people just voted "party" without researching the issues that the candidate espoused. But especially in the time of Trump, there's no excuse - it's been impossible to overlook his sheer incompetence and his message of prejudice and hate.

wnylib

(25,338 posts)
11. In general, it's probably true that people
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:58 AM
Feb 2021

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vote party without researching candidates. They also vote personality appeal more than issues. If somebody has personal appeal to them and is from their party, they will also attribute to that person the support for issues that the voter supports. Some candidates will claim support for popular issues but not follow through on them.

In the case of Reagan, I don't think any of his voters needed to research where he stood. His coded language on "American values" was clear to them. He opposed desegregation measures. As Carter put it after Reagan was in office, Reagan made many Americans feel comfortable with their prejudices.

Reagan Democrats were racists who left the Dem party over the Democratic stand for civil rights. But once they did that, and continued to vote for Republicans, they lost the protections for workers' rghts that Dems had offered them. They paid more in taxes to take up the slack from Republican tax cuts for the upper class. They blamed Democrats and minorities because their new party told them that's who was at fault. It never occurred to them that their racism and the party they fled to were the real causes of their problems. They accepted every crackpot conspiracy that was presented to them.

Rhiannon12866

(244,738 posts)
12. Good summation. And Reagan came off as affable and people believed him.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 07:22 AM
Feb 2021

And, of course, he was the opposite of Jimmy Carter who was one of the most hardworking - and inclusive - presidents that we've ever had. Plus, he wasn't underhanded. To this day he believes that his failure to secure the release of the hostages in Iran was the reason for his loss. Odd that they were released as soon as Reagan was sworn in. Was there ever a serious investigation on how that came about??

And I have a friend who served in state office who told me that campaign signs are important because people are more likely to vote for a name they're familiar with, a name that they've seen. So if a candidate has blanketed an area with campaign signs, they're more likely to be elected - regardless of policy.

wnylib

(25,338 posts)
13. RE: investigations of the hostage release
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 07:42 AM
Feb 2021

I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that an investigation confirmed that Reagan (probably Bush Sr) worked a deal behind the scenes for a hostage release AFTER the 1980 election.

I would need to look it up again to be certain, but I am reasonably sure that's what happened. As former CIA director, Bush had the contacts and influence to pull it off.

ON EDIT: I tried looking it up, but the belief that Reagan and Bush delayed the release for after the election remains officially considered a conspiracy theory as best as I could tell from a quick search. I did find a Mother Jones article that cites a Rockefeller with Chase banking getting involved on behalf of Reagan/Bush. The URL is very long and I can't copy and paste it from my phone. A search would turn it up.

Rhiannon12866

(244,738 posts)
9. Thanks!
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:18 AM
Feb 2021

Anything that might help us understand the current insanity that has overtaken this country.

SunSeeker

(56,904 posts)
5. It's horrifying.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:51 AM
Feb 2021

I have QAnon in-laws and a brother. I simply can't talk to them any more. They have become unreachable.

Rhiannon12866

(244,738 posts)
8. That's the thing, previously rational people have become rabid these days defending Trump's "message"
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:15 AM
Feb 2021

And there's no reasoning with them, it is like a "cult." And the more ridiculous and irrational Trump's message has become, the more they defend him. And elected leaders have no excuse, but they remain on board against all rationality. I was thinking of Steve Scalise earlier. The man was actually shot, suffered critical injuries, and if that shouldn't have been a "wake up call," I don't know what else that was. But he still refuses to support any gun control and still gets an A+ rating from the NRA! How does that make rational sense??

SunSeeker

(56,904 posts)
10. They would rather die than accept reality, much like suicide bombers.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:56 AM
Feb 2021

That's why it's so horrifying.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,393 posts)
16. So was talking to my best friend about Q.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 01:01 PM
Feb 2021

She's always been fairly non-political...I think the first time she voted was in 2008. She was asking me what or who the hell this "Q" was, what they believe in, etc. Started going through it with her, and her jaw just kept dropping lower and lower, 'til she just blurted out, "And people believe this shit? They don't even know who this person is, and they believe it all?" I told her, well yeah...basically, they're crazy. And stupid. She (being a mom) came up with what I really think could be the definitive answer. I teach high school...kids today are really pretty savvy, and they recognize bullshit when they hear it. They're also bored as hell today, so I can really see this happening.

"Q" is a couple of goofy 14 year old kids, whose parents are Trumpists, and they want to see just how much bullshit the adults in their lives will believe. Picture it..."Dude! Let's tell them that all Democrats are satan worshipping baby killers, and see what happens!" And it escalated from there. Even the rather fertile imaginations of teenagers can't keep up with the idiocy the adults in their lives are displaying. Although it did probably get them to look at The Constitution, because the latest claim is that the real stuff will hit the fan on March 4th (?) because that's the REAL inauguration day.

Makes more sense than anything else I can think of.

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