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Dulcinea

(7,294 posts)
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:35 AM Monday

'Dead heat': Trump pulls even with Harris in NBC News poll

(NBC News) Former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris are deadlocked in the latest national NBC News poll, with Trump bolstered by Republicans coming back home to support him after last month’s rough debate and a subsequent polling deficit, as well as by a favorable voter assessment of Trump’s term as president.

These are among the findings of a new survey released three weeks before Election Day, which also shows Harris’ popularity declining compared to a month ago, after she got a big summertime boost; a massive gender gap between support for Harris and Trump; and voters viewing abortion as a top motivating issue heading into the 2024 vote.

“As summer has turned to fall, any signs of momentum for Kamala Harris have stopped,” said Democratic pollster Jeff Horwitt, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff. “The race is a dead heat.”

McInturff said “headwinds” for Harris have helped narrow the presidential contest, including concerns that the vice president doesn’t represent change from President Joe Biden and voters seeing Trump’s presidency in a more positive light than Biden’s.

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agingdem

(8,497 posts)
3. True...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:50 AM
Monday

the legacy media wants a to-the-death horserace...they want the chaos...they want Trump to attempt another January 6...good for the networks bottomline...the media is James Comey and his October surprise...and the irony is crap polls like this only fuels our anger and our determination to vote and GOTV...

Trump’s base, though stagnant but united in hate, will vote for Trump.. but what polls do not reflect is the disgust so-called normal Republicans have for Trump.. that doesn’t mean they vote for Kamala but it does mean they will stay home and not vote ..period…

I may be alone in this but I cannot stand Kornacki..just saying

BlueSky3

(679 posts)
6. I agree with you about
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:47 AM
Monday

Kornacki. I’ve always had the feeling he favors Republicans. But maybe that’s just me.

valleyrogue

(832 posts)
9. It is much more sinister than "wanting a horserace" for ratings and ad revenue.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:30 AM
Monday

These polls are bought and paid for by the Trump campaign claiming it is close and then the campaign will cry "fraud" after the election to try and delegitimize a Harris win.

JohnSJ

(95,424 posts)
2. Bullshit. How do they know this one poll is any more accurate than their previous poll which showed Harris leading by 4
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:50 AM
Monday

points but within their MOE?

It may say is nothing has changed, yet the pundits seem to frame negativity against Harris.

They also say the polls reflect less African American support than Biden had in 2020. Really?

The pollsters tell us they are making "adjustments" to account for more trump support than accounted for in 2016 and 2020.

and just how are they doing that?

2016 shouldn't even be included because of what Comey did 11 days before the general election, and as far as 2020 is concerned, I don't recall anyone predict a landslide victory for Biden. It was always close.

What I do recall was in 2022 most of the pollsters and pundits predicted a "red wave", which didn't materialize, and then they made all kinds of excuses how it was because "trump's endorsements were damaged goods".

Now for 2024 they are saying they want to make sure they are not "underrepresenting trump support", so they are adding "adjustments" to their polling.

So after 2016, 2020, 2022, they are now adding "adjustments to their polling".

The reality is, 2016, 2020, and 2022 in general were close elections, and probably 2024 will be the same.

Of course if their excuse in 2022 that the reason there was no "red wave" was because trump was damaged goods, I don't really see where that has changed, yet they seem to be contradicting that, and say that trump "isn't damaged goods"

I don't have to be a pollster to predict if we have a large turnout among Democrats, progressives, women, African Americans, and other minority groups we will win, both the popular vote and those critical swing states.

The biggest concern I have is the real effort of republicans trying to disenfranchise Democratic votes.

Freethinker65

(10,912 posts)
4. I don't think the race is even, but...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:12 AM
Monday

I do remember massive campaigning late for Hillary by Obama in swing States. I never thought she would lose, but they sure knew the race was tightening.

The fear is probably that the misogynists and racists WILL be voting to prevent a minority female from representing the country over a white male. If enough Democrats and others believe Harris/Walz will have enough votes without their votes and they stay home, Trump could win.

JohnSJ

(95,424 posts)
5. The 2016 election should NEVER be brought up as a valid example of polling inadequacies. That was the direct result
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:38 AM
Monday

of what Comey did 11 days before the general election, and the MSM pushing the LIE that the "email investigation" was reopened., and parading every right win pundit across their outlets propagating that LIE for the next 7 days, until Comey came out late Friday, the weekend before the election and said there was no new information on that laptop, which the illustrious press barely mentioned.

Before Comey, Hillary was ahead by about 5 points, and after Comey, it went to even.

It was not a coincidence.

Freethinker65

(10,912 posts)
7. I understand that...but I do see similarities in the late campaigning by big name Democrat surrogates.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:48 AM
Monday

That is why I believe the race is indeed tightening, or the party is concerned about it tightening.

Of course I remember the Comey laptop fiasco. I also know Hillary had been demonized by republicans for over a decade and mere mention of her name caused visceral hatred in many Republicans. Harris does not come with that history....but still she is a minority and a woman and many will not vote for her because of that.

Perhaps the current campaign surrogate push to swing States is only to increase the margins and help down ticket candidates but it might also be to prevent history from repeating itself.

lees1975

(5,465 posts)
13. All of that campaigning by Obama, including the rally in Philly at the end, were planned in advance.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 12:24 PM
Monday

Both Obamas were also engaged for campaign events after the DNC. So were the Clintons.

valleyrogue

(832 posts)
8. Bullshit, NBC. Way to set up a national crisis when Harris wins.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:28 AM
Monday

Trump can claim "fraud" when Harris wins handily, and then get his brainless cult members to wreck havoc on the country.

lees1975

(5,465 posts)
12. And yet, three other network polls including Fox, ABC/Ipsos, CBS and CNN all have her in the lead 3-6 points.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 12:22 PM
Monday

So really, this poll is meaningless.

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