Photo ID is NOT Required to Board an Airplane!: 7th Circuit Issues Blatant Falsehoods on WI Photo ID

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Photo ID is NOT Required to Board an Airplane!: 7th Circuit Includes Blatant Falsehoods in New Opinion on WI's GOP Photo ID Voting Restriction
Election law expert describes ruling in advance of SCOTUS decision as 'Horrendous'...

Let me say this up front, so you don't miss it this time: No, a Photo ID is not required to board an airplane. Period.

Last week, the ACLU filed an emergency appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court in hopes of having the 7th Circuit Court of Appeal's ruling --- which overturned a lower court's injunction on Wisconsin's new Photo ID voting restriction --- stayed in advance of next month's election.

Today (Monday) a rather remarkable new opinion was issued by the 7th Circuit which seems designed to serve as a last-minute assist to the Republican defendants in Wisconsin in their response to the ACLU appeal, as Justice Elena Kagan has required the state's response no later than 5pm on Tuesday. The ruling is littered with blatant falsehoods...

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[yeoman6987]

1. Are you sure?

Every time I go on a plane they make me show the ID at least twice. I can't imagine what you use to prove you are who you say you are. I would rather ID be mandatory to get on a plane, but not to vote.

[Exultant Democracy]

2. I've done it once in the post 9/11 world with no problem. I lost my wallet, it was fine.

[yeoman6987]

3. Lucky! That would stink to be stranded

[jamzrockz]

14. Me too

I lost my wallet on a return flight and they let me board my plane. But I was told I that I would have been turned back if it wasn't a return flight.

[loudsue]

15. That did not work for my step daughter. She had misplaced her license, and they wouldn't let her

use her ticket.

[barbtries]

16. my son left his ID at home

he had to take a later flight - they would not let him past security. we tried with every other thing i had in my wallet that proved his ID. however, when i fly these days i find i have to show my ID at security and not at the gate. but in my recent experience you do need a photo ID to fly because if you cannot get to the gate you cannot get to the plane.

[BradBlog]

4. 100% Certain

The article offers both details AND a link to the TSA's web page for confirmation of this FACT.

It's MADDENING that it's still being repeated by anybody, much less the 7th Circuit Court of Appeal in advance of a SCOTUS ruling on this matter!

[SoapBox]

5. On TSA.gov...

It does say that if you forgot your ID, they may be able to verify your identity through other methods AND publicly accessible databases...additional security screening may also be needed.

My take away, for a handful out there...don't think you are going to be a dick just for the fun of it and try not having ID to see what will happen; there will be some major hassle...and it's not that folks without ID can just wander of their own accord onto an aircraft.

[spooky3]

6. Agreed. And, all or nearly all of the types of ID they list as acceptable DO have photos on them.

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/acceptable-ids

So, even if technically true that you could board a plane without photo ID, practically speaking, this seems to be a lot of excitement over a small point. The bigger point is that there are arguably much better reasons for requiring photo ID to board a plane (especially on an international flight) than for voting purposes.

[SoapBox]

7. What you said...

And when I'm on a flight, I sure as hell don't want any question about who is on board that aircraft!

[FlatStanley]

10. I couldn't give a rat's ass who's on board.

This kind of behavior is exactly why we have devolved into a national security state.

[JDPriestly]

11. Back in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, etc., there was lots of terrorism -- Palestinians for the most part

but others also. We did not show our IDs to get on a plane even though planes were hijacked.

The whole TSA thing is partly political and very exaggerated. How many terrorists have been on planes in recent years?

I don't mind showing my ID. After all, people in Communist Russia had to have permission to travel so we were told back in the 1950s when I was in grade and high school. It's only a small intrusion on your privacy to have to show an ID before boarding a plane.

I'm 71 and remember a lot of history. We slowly move toward Fascism, bit by bit. We really are the frogs in boiling water. We live more and more in urban areas in which we don't know each other. We become more and more suspicious, more and more frightened. And it all feeds the paranoia that divides us and makes us more pliant, more obedient to authority. Right now the authority is pretty gentle, pretty kind. But all it takes is a huge jolt of fear similar to the national emotion that 9/11 set off, and we could find ourselves in a far less kind, far less gentle conservatism.

What is the answer? I don't know. But remember, just being alive is dangerous. We live much longer than our great-grandparents expected a child to live in their time. We are doing very well.

I say once again, I don't mind showing my ID. I do fear what the paranoia is doing to the bit of freedom that is left on this earth.

[Psephos]

13. good post n/t

[davidpdx]

8. Glad to hear this falsehood is being challenged

[mopinko]

9. i have done it.

got my wallet stolen on the eve of my trip to the 1st obama inauguration. i was quizzed a little. they looked me up and found me in a bunch of databases. they asked me a couple questions about landmarks in my hood, and i was all good.
i did have a credit card, which was not in my wallet, which helped. but no, really, it is true. you can get on a plane without a govt pic id.

[JDPriestly]

12. Been traveling on public trransportation for a long time.

Get a fanny pack. Yes. One of those ugly things. Put your money and your ID and other important cards and stuff right next to your waist where no one can get it without beating you up.

Used to ride a long, long way from college to home and back on Greyhound buses. Always kept extra money for emergencies in my underwear. If someone wanted to get it, I was not about to make it easy for them. Travel defensively. Just like you would drive.

[1monster]

17. Having provided all the information that is need for the new IDs in the past, I did not take it

with me last year when I went to the DMV to renew my driver's license.

I was told that even though I had provided the info in the past, I needed to do so again because now they were filing the info differently. The nice lady at the DMV told me that I could renew my then current license by mail for a six year period, but that I would not be able board a plane, amoung other things, without the new federally approved anti-voter fraud-anti terrorism ID.

So, I went back home, gathered all the necessary info and renewed my license at the DMV on another day. I was told that I would not EVER have to produce those documents again for the DMV, but I'm not sure I believe them. I'm going to try to avoid a double trip the next time and take it all with me.

[cbayer]

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