A measure giving Congress the power to block Trump pardons draws Republican backing

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: msn/Axios

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A proposed Constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to block presidential pardons gained its first House Republican co-sponsor on Monday.

Why it matters: It's a rare display of GOP defiance against President Trump, whose pardons have been the subject of bipartisan backlash in several cases.

The president began his second term by pardoning thousands of Jan. 6 defendants, including many who were charged with assaulting law enforcement during the 2021 Capitol riot.

He has since granted clemency or pardons to Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), former Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.), Ozy Media CEO Carlos Watson, Silk Road creator Ross Ulbricht, former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and cryptocurrency mogul Changpeng "CZ" Zhao.

Most recently, Trump pardoned five former NFL players who were convicted of financial and drug-related crimes.

Driving the news: Rep. Johnny Olszewski (D-Md.), who is leading the amendment, announced Monday that Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) has signed on as the first Republican co-sponsor of the Pardon Integrity Act.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/a-measure-giving-congress-the-power-to-block-trump-pardons-draws-republican-backing/ar-AA1WsJCF

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They need to do something - even like this "starting the process" (which is long and drawn out) because we are seeing the total abuse of that privilege.

[msongs]

1. bacon is on the way out the door. suddenly he has found a spine lol nt

[Raven123]

2. Nope. Bad idea. Congress should not be involved with Pardons

Yes, we need to limit the pardon power via a Constitutional Amendment, but involving Congress makes no sense to me.

I heard of one suggestion that Presidents be allotted a specified maximum number of pardons. That would force them to think hard. Also specifically prohibit self pardons.

[Doodley]

5. This is to stop Trump using pardon power to hide his own criminality.

[eggplant]

12. Can't possibly be ratified in time.

[Doodley]

21. It doesn't matter. His pardons need to be the story here.

[eggplant]

22. I agree.

It won't affect this administration, but it will help in the future. He'll still pardon either everyone (like 1/6) or if he's on his way out, might choose to just see them in hell.

He's gotta go. But it isn't going to stop with him.

[MayReasonRule]

31. Ultimately We Are Each Called Upon To Defend Our Individual And Mutual Liberty / Freedoms

There are many, many more of us than there are Nazis.

Nazis are still the current minority.

Here's to mankind as a whole making certain that it stays that way.

[MayReasonRule]

30. I'm Good With Using It For Focal Effect... Ultimately The Amendment Itself Is A Moot Point

The social discussion however is quite useful.

[Ilsa]

13. There'll be huge bidding wars for pardons. Only the

ultra-wealthy will get them.

[Raven123]

17. Good point. Maybe just eliminate the pardon power

[Bluestocking]

3. Here's an idea

Impeach the fucker

[BumRushDaShow]

6. "Here's an idea Impeach the fucker"

He's been impeached TWICE.

2019



2021



But that only works if you get 2/3rds of the Senate to convict and remove.

[Bluestocking]

7. Actually removing him is easier than a constitutional amendment

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Not really

Both require a 2/3rds majority in Congress - in the Senate, 2/3rds needed for an Impeachment conviction AND in BOTH chambers 2/3rds each for a Constitutional Amendment (unless you go the 3/4s of the state legislatures route for the Amendment).

[Doodley]

4. Trump will pardon Ghislaine Maxwell as payment for her silence. She's already been moved to a resort prison. This is

why this bill is needed. Trump is using pardon power to hide his own corruption.

[Raven123]

19. A bill can't stop Trump from exercising his Constitutional pardoning power

If they propose a resolution, Trump will pardon everyone before they can get it passed by 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate.

[Doodley]

20. Maybe, but his disgraceful pardons will receive more publicity than they would have.

[mopinko]

8. how about charging him for taking bribes?

j6ers aside, he’s clearly selling them. clearly bribery.

[Escape]

10. No president or governor..

should have pardon power, on their own. There should be a very, very specific set of rules and all pardon decisions should have input and final approval by an unbiased board, panel or judge.

Every pardon ever issued in the past should be reviewed by that same board... with the possibility of it being overturned.

Trump has destroyed the validity of our pardon system.. It will have to be repaired or replaced.

It is currently undemocratic and illegal.

[70sEraVet]

11. When the President is a convicted felon,

It seems ridiculous for him to have the power to pardon his criminal associates.
You may as well grant him complete immunity for his crimes. Oh, we already went there, didn't we?

[ToxMarz]

14. Best idea would be that people would elect President's and congress people

with honor and integrity. People who uphold the Constitution, and strive to make a nation of, by and for the people. With liberty and justice for. But clearly that ain't fucking happening either.

[nuxvomica]

15. The Constitution already bans him from office

So why would we think changing the Constitution is a solution?

[BumRushDaShow]

23. The SCOTUS knocked down the "Insurrection clause" when it came to him

Supreme Court rules states cannot remove Trump from ballot for insurrection

And the muddied waters for the Constitution is whether the "2 terms" reference only means "consecutive" (which is an argument the loons want to push).

Any loophole that can be attempted for use, needs to be closed.

[IbogaProject]

16. There should be a law until we amend the Constitution.

The law should make it illegal for the President to pardon anyone he personally knows and make it a violation of the emoluments clause for anyone connected to him along with himself to take anything of value in relation to a pardon. I know this is a long shot, but there needs to be limits on how he has used his power in this instance.

[Shrek]

25. That would obviate some of the pardons issued by Joe Biden

You don't want the tie the hands of a future Democrat to check the abuses of a Republican president.

[Martin68]

18. It's about fucking time! Pardoning insurrectionists, people who have defrauded clients for millions, anyone who pays him

enough money. Will Republicans draw a line?

[cstanleytech]

24. There should have been a pardon override from the beginning.

Plus pardons should expire if a person is convicted of a major felony like armed robbery for example.

[rzemanfl]

26. Why can't Congress call the people

who got pardons, grant themlimited immunity, and ask them how much they paid for them?

[mdbl]

27. They should also limit them to a total of 5 during a presidential four year term

That will make them think about who should really get one instead of a crook like Dump just pardoning all the crooks willing to pay him off.

[Bayard]

28. I don't see a new Constitutional amendment going anywhere,

No matter its content.

[bluestarone]

29. My question. Why try to pass something that will affect other presidents? Jesus Christ TSF is and will be the ONLY one.

We already have a means to get rid of this BASTARD!! Just gotta FUCKING DO IT!!

[riversedge]

32. I am glad to see this.