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Polybius

(21,248 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:28 AM 15 hrs ago

Pope removes shoes but doesn't pray on visit to Istanbul's Blue Mosque

Source: Reuters

ISTANBUL, Nov 29 (Reuters) - Pope Leo visited Istanbul's Blue Mosque on Saturday, removing his shoes in a sign of respect but not appearing to pray in his first visit as leader of the Catholic Church to a Muslim place of worship during his four-day visit to Turkey.

The first U.S. pope bowed slightly before entering the mosque and was led on a tour of the expansive complex, able to hold 10,000 worshippers, by its imam and the mufti of Istanbul.

Leo, walking in white socks, smiled during the 20-minute visit and joked with one of his guides, the mosque's lead muezzin - the official who leads the daily calls to prayer.

The Vatican appeared surprised that Leo had not stopped to pray during the visit and that he had not been welcomed to the mosque by the head of Turkey's state-run religious organisation, known as the diyanet, as had been planned.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/pope-removes-shoes-doesnt-pray-visit-istanbuls-blue-mosque-2025-11-29/

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Pope removes shoes but doesn't pray on visit to Istanbul's Blue Mosque (Original Post) Polybius 15 hrs ago OP
Why would the pope pray at a mosque? RandySF 14 hrs ago #1
His precedessors did, and the Vatican press release had expected him to muriel_volestrangler 11 hrs ago #5
Only in recent years Polybius 5 hrs ago #14
It said he wasn't invited to pray IbogaProject 5 hrs ago #17
" he asked Leo during the tour if he wished to pray for a moment, but the pope said he preferred to just visit" muriel_volestrangler 2 hrs ago #22
It may have had something to do with the way that the invitation was extended. lapucelle 27 min ago #26
It was simply a gesture of love and respect... ananda 13 hrs ago #2
When I was escorted into a mosque Zackzzzz 13 hrs ago #3
what i did not know : shoes of the fisherman rampartd 11 hrs ago #4
I think Peter DID fish in Louisiana. COL Mustard 7 hrs ago #9
"Not appearing to pray..." Mike Nelson 11 hrs ago #6
In the early 2000s I took off my shoes in the Blue Mosque truthisfreedom 10 hrs ago #7
The only time I've been in a mosque, I didn't pray either MurrayDelph 6 hrs ago #11
The more interesting part for me was the diyanet did not meet with him. Joinfortmill 7 hrs ago #8
Being an atheist makes all of this senseless. kellytore 6 hrs ago #10
But you couldn't help but put your two cents in. Martin68 5 hrs ago #13
My two cents are in too. We are up to four. Believers are upset when confronted but non-believers are cast as being odd. twodogsbarking 5 hrs ago #16
Why wouldn't the Pope pray during a visit to a mosque? Martin68 5 hrs ago #12
Religions sure have nice buildings. twodogsbarking 5 hrs ago #15
So do many museums, the Red Cross and both political parties. What's your point? Wonder Why 4 hrs ago #18
Religions have nice buildings. They really are. twodogsbarking 3 hrs ago #19
You're right. That's why they put them on Christmas cards! Wonder Why 2 hrs ago #23
Yep, they're built for humans within them to feel the glory of God. ancianita 1 hr ago #25
Since he wasn't invited to (by the person who didn't come) maybe it would have been pnwmom 3 hrs ago #20
I don't think they expect Christians and Jews to join in the prayers when they visit Warpy 2 hrs ago #21
Neither did I! Floyd R. Turbo 2 hrs ago #24
I interpret this as the Pope sending a message blue-wave 13 min ago #27

muriel_volestrangler

(105,311 posts)
5. His precedessors did, and the Vatican press release had expected him to
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:53 AM
11 hrs ago

From the BBC report:

The Pontiff was seen bowing as he entered the building, but it is reported he did not pray at the mosque, as his two predecessors had done.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gp917zr8no

From Reuters:

The Vatican appeared surprised that Leo had not stopped to pray during the visit and that he had not been welcomed to the mosque by the head of Turkey's state-run religious organisation, known as the diyanet, as had been planned.

About three hours after the visit, the Vatican released a press statement saying both the prayer and the welcome had occurred, although they had not. The Vatican press office said the release had been sent in error.

Askin Musa Tunca, the muezzin, told journalists after the mosque visit that he asked Leo during the tour if he wished to pray for a moment, but the pope said he preferred to just visit the mosque.

Polybius

(21,248 posts)
14. Only in recent years
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 11:44 AM
5 hrs ago

The only two to do it were Pope Francis in 2014, and Pope Benedict XVI in 2006. Perhaps he thought they were wrong to do so.

IbogaProject

(5,475 posts)
17. It said he wasn't invited to pray
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 11:59 AM
5 hrs ago

So it may be more a reflection of the hosts than the Pope or his group.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,311 posts)
22. " he asked Leo during the tour if he wished to pray for a moment, but the pope said he preferred to just visit"
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 02:17 PM
2 hrs ago

So I can't understand your post.

lapucelle

(20,923 posts)
26. It may have had something to do with the way that the invitation was extended.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:40 PM
27 min ago

Praying at a mosque and worshiping at a mosque are two different things.

“I offered [to] him, if he would like to worship here, but he said ‘no, I am just going to look around,” Tunca said afterwards, explaining that “they told me” the pope was going to “pray here”.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/29/europe/pope-leo-istanbul-blue-mosque-intl

Leo did not pray at the mosque despite an invitation by an imam. Speaking to reporters after the visit, Asgin Tunca said he had told the pope that the mosque was "Allah's house."

"It's not my house, not your house, (it's the) house of Allah," he said. He said he told Leo: "'If you want, you can worship here,' I said. But he said, 'That's OK.'"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pope-leo-xiv-travel-blue-mosque-istanbul-turkey/


ananda

(34,120 posts)
2. It was simply a gesture of love and respect...
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 03:30 AM
13 hrs ago

This reminds me of John Xxiii's ecumenical spirit.

Love

rampartd

(3,216 posts)
4. what i did not know : shoes of the fisherman
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:31 AM
11 hrs ago

if peter had fished in louisiana the popes would need a pair of white rubber shrimp boots.

leo wears black shoes,, as did francis.

benedict wore the traditional red shoes until his retirement, when he changed to black.

COL Mustard

(7,867 posts)
9. I think Peter DID fish in Louisiana.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:05 AM
7 hrs ago

After all, Cajun cuisine has the Holy Trinity, and if you've ever had crawdads and gumbo, you have probably had a religious experience. And don't get me going on the joys of a good Sazerac!

Mike Nelson

(10,860 posts)
6. "Not appearing to pray..."
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:04 AM
11 hrs ago

... seems like a better way to explain. He was likely praying frequently, to himself. The phrase that caught me eye was "Turkey's state-run" religion. Maybe the Pope didn't want to participate in that country's "state-run" religion?

truthisfreedom

(23,499 posts)
7. In the early 2000s I took off my shoes in the Blue Mosque
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:10 AM
10 hrs ago

and didn’t pray either, but then again, I’m an atheist.

MurrayDelph

(5,699 posts)
11. The only time I've been in a mosque, I didn't pray either
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:56 AM
6 hrs ago

It was in early 2017. President Miller had just issued his first Muslim ban. I went to Portland and brought cookies purchased from a Muslim bakery.

(and I lean more agnostic; until someone shows proof, I don't think there's a higher being, but I'm willing to give a looksee if the evidence is strong)

Joinfortmill

(19,684 posts)
8. The more interesting part for me was the diyanet did not meet with him.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:40 AM
7 hrs ago

There might be a story there, or not. But, interesting and notable.

twodogsbarking

(17,020 posts)
16. My two cents are in too. We are up to four. Believers are upset when confronted but non-believers are cast as being odd.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 11:51 AM
5 hrs ago

pnwmom

(110,165 posts)
20. Since he wasn't invited to (by the person who didn't come) maybe it would have been
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:55 PM
3 hrs ago

disrespectful to pray publicly.

They don't know that he didn't pray silently.

Warpy

(114,281 posts)
21. I don't think they expect Christians and Jews to join in the prayers when they visit
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 02:12 PM
2 hrs ago

Just having a Pope visit a mosque is a pretty big deal. Leo seems to be pissing off the rest of the hidebound hierarchy nicely.

blue-wave

(4,791 posts)
27. I interpret this as the Pope sending a message
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:54 PM
13 min ago

against the anti-Christian Erdogan regime. In 2020 Erdogan converted the Hagia Sophia (Once the Byzantine Roman Empire's Cathedral) to a mosque. The site of Hagia Sophia was the center of Eastern Orthodox Christianity since the first church was built on the site in 360 AD. In 537 AD the Hagia Sophia was completed and was an architectural marvel as the largest interior space in the world. When the Muslims defeated the Byzantines at Constantinople (now Istanbul) in 1453 AD, the Hagia converted to a mosque. But in 1935 it converted to a museum by the Turkish government under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, aiming to promote secularism and cultural heritage in the newly established Republic of Turkey. This change allowed it to serve as a symbol of interfaith harmony and a historical site accessible to all, regardless of religion. Erdogan is changing all that.

https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-134/the-hagia-sophia-case/

Now, Christians cannot pray on or enter the main floor of the Hagia Sophia and must pay admission to enter the Hagia, unlike Muslims who pay no admittance fee. There's much more to the story of what's happening in Turkey and elsewhere which would require many hours of deep-dive investigating. If you're interested, I highly recommend looking into this.

BTW, the Hagia Sophia is a short walk down the street from the blue mosque.

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