Nursing Is No Longer Counted as a 'Professional Degree' by Trump Admin
Source: Newsweek
Published Nov 20, 2025 at 09:15 AM EST updated Nov 20, 2025 at 02:22 PM EST
The Department of Education has excluded nursing as a "professional degree" program as it sets about implementing various measures regarding student loans laid out in President Donald Trump's "One Big Beautiful Bill." The move has sparked significant uproar among nurses and nursing groups, with the American Nurses Association saying, as reported by Nursing World, that "limiting nurses access to funding for graduate education threatens the very foundation of patient care."
In the regulatory definition of a professional degree (34 CFR 668.2) from 1965, nursing was not definitively listed as a professional degree, although the text lists a number of professions, but says a professional degree is "not limited to" those mentioned.
It is therefore not clear in the text if nursing was previously classified as a professional degree, but now that the term it is forming part of student loan determinations, its omission is having an impact. Newsweek has contacted the Department of Education via email for comment.
Why It Matters
The change will impact hundreds of thousands of studentsthere are over 260,000 students currently enrolled in entry-level Bachelor of Science in Nursing (BSN) programs and around 42,000 enrolled in Associate Degree in Nursing (ADN), according to data collected by the American Nurses Association.
Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/nursing-not-professional-degree-trump-admin-11079650
Alice B.
(667 posts)NotHardly
(2,336 posts)rampartd
(3,167 posts)but they may want to give student loans for technical degrees while excluding professional ones.
the underlying question : why the hell do make nurses pay for their education? really needs an answer.
yardwork
(68,623 posts)I feel that a functional society would pay nurses, fire fighters, teachers, EMTs, trash collectors, and other essential jobs very well.
Let CEOs work for low wages since they seem to enjoy it so much.
Our priorities are screwed up.
rampartd
(3,167 posts)revisiting my first reply, doctors are professional by any standard, i think we need them too.
in state public university should be free to every citizen, [aid by years of service on completion,
when they complain about women's studies majors and such, they never complain about degrees in "divinity" or "theology"
popsdenver
(1,110 posts)Dem Nurses AND MAGA Nurses.........go out on strike all across the nation, for just one day, to start. Make the administration change bedpans... And all nurses join one major Union......
mucifer
(25,444 posts)knots they are tying themselves into to excuse this crap!
3catwoman3
(28,248 posts)That would surely require some pretzel-esque rationalization.
AllyCat
(18,391 posts)A bunch I work with actually voted for this $hit$how. Wonder how they will get the mental gymnastics working to make this out as a good thing, but also Biden's fault.
hlthe2b
(112,262 posts)whatsoever, maybe sleeping off a bender under a bridge--rather than a well trained nurse. Or maybe not even THAT (the former)
I fear I am running low on disgust, but he'll surely give me more tomorrow.
Submariner
(13,209 posts)to disadvantage women who they want home raising babies and making cookies instead of improving their lot in life. Scumbag fascist movement.
Jilly_in_VA
(13,592 posts)in case they hadn't notices. A LOT of them! And they are going to be pissed off!
IronLionZion
(50,442 posts)If they know or perceive that a field is majority women, they think it's a fake job that shouldn't exist. So they happily screw nurses and claim it's "fraud, waste, and abuse" because they don't like the nursing field.
DBoon
(24,540 posts)Real men work as plumbers or truck drivers, not "nurses"
FakeNoose
(39,628 posts)More than 50% of the American public just decided and we're his boss.
We'll pay Chump by the hour, he needs to punch a clock. We're cutting back on his hours. When he goes below 35 hours, no more benefits for him. Medical and dental insurance is gone. He pays rent while he stays in the White House, otherwise just move out. Pay for your own transportation too, and McDonald's isn't free.
llmart
(17,152 posts)He has never once put in anywhere near 35 hours. He's basically a lazy pig. Take all his benefits away immediately.
mwmisses4289
(2,859 posts)llmart
(17,152 posts)RazorbackExpat
(797 posts)like Napoleon in "Animal Farm"
Jilly_in_VA
(13,592 posts)Pigs are very intelligent animals, possibly smarter than dogs.
llmart
(17,152 posts)Did you ever tell a pig to "sit"? They would think you said "shit" because that's what they do a lot of.
Speaking of pig shit....how is Trumpie today?
Jilly_in_VA
(13,592 posts)Many pot-bellied pigs (the kind most commonly seen as pets) are trained to use litterboxes and are otherwise housebroken, walk on leashes, sit and stay on command, etc. The farm animals can be too if you start young enough, but most people just think of them as food. However, they are intelligent. Wnen my dad was in Mexico, he came across a guy who had a pet pig he had trained to perform tricks, one of which was sitting on her hind legs with a swugar cube on her nose while he said grace. She wouldn't move until he said "Amen" and then she would bounce it off and eat it.
Silent Type
(12,120 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(13,592 posts)Just wait till the next time any of you get sick! You'll see just how professional we are!
Arnold Schwarzenegger found out a little bit about that in California when the legislature wanted to pass a law increasing the nurse-patient ratio from 4:1 to either 5:1 or 6:1, I forget which. He was more or less in favor of it until he got a severe bout of gastroenteritis which landed him in the hospital and he saw exactly how hard the nurses were working with 4 patients each. When he got out he told the lawmakers to back the hell off (pretty much his words).
Nurses ARE professionals and you had better believe it! They are going to hear about this. Contact your senators and congresscritters TODAY!
yardwork
(68,623 posts)Nurses are admired and appreciated by all normal human beings.
For some reason RFK, Jr. wants to get rid of nurses and replace them with AI.
Jilly_in_VA
(13,592 posts)or change your IV when your old one infiltrated, or help turn you when you're too heavy for the CNA to turn by herself, or assess your burns when it changes your dressing, or help the docs in the cath lab or the OR, or catch a baby who's coming too fast for the doctor to get there, or a hundred other little things nurses do that AI just CAN'T. AI has no hands, just for starters....
yardwork
(68,623 posts)RFK, Jr. and Trump's other cronies think they'll make billions and it's all they care about.
They can't imagine doing the selfless hard work of nursing. That's why they don't respect it. They can't understand integrity, sacrifice, or a desire to do good.
They are monsters. I don't know why people voted for them. It makes me sad and sick.
Thank you for what you do!
PatrickforB
(15,310 posts)at least in my area. Postings for RNs exceed every other job. But then, this administration is trying to wreck, not build.
patphil
(8,533 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 21, 2025, 07:14 PM - Edit history (1)
An LPN isn't.
Sigh, just for clarification, this is the Trump administration viewpoint.
Wiz Imp
(8,326 posts)patphil
(8,533 posts)AllyCat
(18,391 posts)I know many LPNs who are definitely professionals and their skills are in high demand.
patphil
(8,533 posts)And, I didn't imply I agreed with Trump here, I don't.
AllyCat
(18,391 posts)patphil
(8,533 posts)AllyCat
(18,391 posts)✌️
Irish_Dem
(78,158 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(9,609 posts)THEY get plenty of great healthcare while we slowly die of things that could be treated, but cost too much.
And, we are still allowing it to happen. I wonder why? (Rhetorical... I feel that I know why...)
greatauntoftriplets
(178,536 posts)twodogsbarking
(16,936 posts)It is not easy.
valleyrogue
(2,475 posts)They are very, very hard jobs but are intrinsically rewarding. Therefore, they have to be treated like shit in a patriarchy since they are female-dominated occupations, and Trump piles on.
Somehow I think the Trump administration will backtrack.
Beartracks
(14,231 posts)It fits their healthcare plan, which is simply: "Just die already."
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mcar
(45,530 posts)Or some other such sexist and racist shite.
Vinca
(53,064 posts)IronLionZion
(50,442 posts)so maybe they expect fewer patients in the MAGA future, and therefore fewer nurses needed.
ismnotwasm
(42,659 posts)Literally with a bunch of nurses right now. We all hate this.
BumRushDaShow
(163,781 posts)when I saw this!
They are leaving no stone unturned
valleyrogue
(2,475 posts)This is more denigrating of a female-dominated profession.
Assholes.
3catwoman3
(28,248 posts)...if doctors gave us any crap about doing things that only doctors had previously been allowed to do - "Remind them that in the early days of medicine, doctors had to take the blood pressures because it was thought that this task required a judgement that was beyond nursing skills."
Fla Dem
(27,338 posts)How ridiculous.
Bev54
(13,069 posts)considering nursing as a profession will try to get their education in Canada or some other country, where they will not have such large student loans.
Wiz Imp
(8,326 posts)yardwork
(68,623 posts)They're trying to replace nurses with AI. RFK, Jr. keeps saying this. He hates nurses for some reason.
DiverDave
(5,206 posts)Make it harder to get competent care when you need it most.
Just makes me shake my head.
I'll never forget the kind nurse that helped me when I was in agonizing pain.
LuvLoogie
(8,419 posts)Occupational and physical therapy degrees. A bunch more.
mdbl
(7,855 posts)ROFLMAO.
What Dept of Education?
Martin68
(26,701 posts)Martin68
(26,701 posts)is not the exclusive domain of women. There are around 600,000 male nurses in the U.S. Designating the profession of nursing as a "women's profession" is what Trump wants to do, but not something we should do.
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,323 posts)Nurses social workers ect. Are required to report evidence of abuse and sexual assault if they see evidence on a patient. I think there is a darker reason behind negating these sorts of degrees.
There are a lot of wanna be rapist incels in trumpville itching for vengeance. Rape is used by men as a weapon. And the Republican Party and the churches that support them are crawling with pedophiles. They want to sexually abuse and traumatize and face no consequences.
If I had anything to do with giving pedos and rapists consequences every rapist and pedo would be disarmed permanently, chop chop.
Nigrum Cattus
(1,129 posts)they really are a death cult
3catwoman3
(28,248 posts)...or any of a number of accelerated degree programs for someone who already has a bachelor's in another discipline. Another path, hospital-affiliated 3 year diploma programs that did not offer college credits or grant a degree, are pretty much gone. Students from all preparations take the same licensing exam, something unique to the nursing profession, to the best of my knowledge.
Many roads to Rome.
electric_blue68
(25,102 posts)Damn him/them.
returnee
(752 posts)what insurance companies will do with this information as far as reimbursement for nursing, physician assistants, and physical therapists, who are also included in this de-professionalization.
C_U_L8R
(48,604 posts)They are the backbone of healthcare.
Hugin
(37,174 posts)Pathetic country weve got going here.
Lovie777
(21,245 posts)Medical_Mom
(44 posts)and other healthcare careers. This is a direct hit at female-dominated professions who are ALL mandated reporters of abuse. Also puts these professions out of reach for many minority students, underprivileged, etc.
I work on a national coalition looking at the healthcare worker shortage and we're already drafting a response and legislation to try to get through in the next session.
Historic NY
(39,501 posts)funny how the US Government requires a degree
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/classification-qualifications/general-schedule-qualification-standards/0600/nurse-series-0610/]
She is currently a Nurse III acting as a IV
Bluetus
(1,988 posts)It doesn't actually say that anything has changed and it doesn't identify any real impact.
WYF?
FakeNoose
(39,628 posts)It's about which types of students will qualify for future financial assistance in student loans.
These measures were brought in with the intention of creating a "new and simplified" Repayment Assistance Plan (RAP)whereby annual loans for new borrowers were capped at $20,500 for graduate students and $50,000 for professional students.
As part of this implementation process, the Department of Education decided to change the definition of what counted as a professional program, and therefore eligible for the $200,000 aggregate limit available for professional students.
The department determined that the following programs were professional: medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, optometry, law, veterinary medicine, osteopathic medicine, podiatry, chiropractic, theology and clinical psychology. This meant that physician assistants, nurse practitioners, physical therapists and audiologist were excluded from the list.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Bluetus
(1,988 posts)It doesn't say that they are included. It doesn't say they are excluded. They could be included under "medical", as nursing is obviously medical.
Part of the issue is that over time, there have emerged many different levels of "nursing".
It used to be mainly just Registered Nurse or Licenced Practical Nurse. Now we have additional grades of Nurse Practitioner, which is allowed to perform many functions that a MD did in the past. And at the other end, we have CNAs (Certified Nursing Assistant). And there are probably other certifications I am unaware of. So it may simply be a question of where the line is drawn between professional and occupational.
I would not automatically assume that there is evil intent here, but there could be.
I hope this clears things up.
CTyankee
(67,642 posts)Let's not give it to him. He welcomes our anger. Let us respond by not getting all tied up with our anger so that we spend time on that instead of working to bring him down.
Scrivener7
(57,927 posts)program I went through to get my qualifications. I remember we had some bro-types in the program even back then because it seems superficially like it might be a macho kind of thing. It isn't, and the vast majority of the bros crashed out early because they couldn't hack it.
Scrivener7
(57,927 posts)If we have a dearth of these professions as a result of this (which we will because no one will have access to the loans required to get the degrees) we will see a surge in unreported abuse of children, the elderly and women.
I am sure that is a feature, not a bug, for the Party for Protection of Pedophiles.
LetMyPeopleVote
(173,120 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(13,592 posts)It's time for everyone in these PROFESSIONS to make some noise and let these UNprofessionals know who's what!
I am a NURSE and I am a PROFESSIONAL! I may be retired, but once a NURSE, always a NURSE!
Paladin
(32,076 posts)pansypoo53219
(22,761 posts)thought crime
(1,030 posts)Trump Admin expected to take further action on "Down" later this week...
(For Legal Purposes)
bluestarone
(20,864 posts)Every day these bastards take away another little piece of America. Everyday!!
AllyCat
(18,391 posts)including a few that voted for this insanity. Curious to see how they turn this around to blame Biden and Harris.
Jilly_in_VA
(13,592 posts)He hadn't heard this but said, "WHAT? I will have to educate myself!" He didn't sound too happy. I also told his nurses, who hadn't heard either. All three of them were pissed and vowed to call our senators and congresscritter. Tell every nurse and doctor you know! It may get some results.
AllyCat
(18,391 posts)
having nurse practitioners HELPS rural areas that are losing their hospitals and clinics!!
So many solid professionals losing designation here: architects (do we really want buildings falling on us?), behavioral health professionals (we need mental health services!), engineers (we need stuff to work if we are going to return production to the states), literally too many professions to list
WTF?
