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BumRushDaShow

(161,505 posts)
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 05:46 PM Thursday

Elon Musk's Starlink satellites are falling to Earth at an alarming rate

Source: The Independent

Thursday 09 October 2025 12:19 BST


Up to four satellites from Elon Musk’s massive Starlink constellation are falling to Earth every day, according to space trackers. Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer at the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in the US, recorded an average of between one to two Starlink satellites deorbiting each day in 2025.

That figure is expected to rise to around five per day as SpaceX continues to grow its space internet constellation. Videos of Starlink satellites falling to Earth have appeared across social media in recent weeks, causing concern that they could pose a risk to people on the ground.

There are currently around 20,000 objects being tracked in low-Earth orbit, including 12,000 working satellites – 8,500 of which are Starlink satellites. With a lifespan of around five years, Starlink satellites are purposefully designed to burn up entirely in the Earth’s atmosphere before reaching the ground. So while the events may appear alarming as they streak across the sky, they are not dangerous.

Dr McDowell warned that other objects re-entering could pose a significant threat, as they are not being controlled by their operators.

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/space/elon-musk-starlink-satellites-deorbit-b2842265.html

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Elon Musk's Starlink satellites are falling to Earth at an alarming rate (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Thursday OP
So ... they're built like Teslas ? nt eppur_se_muova Thursday #1
Actually, teslas are remarkably well built and able to withstand severe crashes with little interior damage. Martin68 Friday #21
Well, don't ever try towing with a Cybertruck ... eppur_se_muova Friday #22
Musk is becoming a trillionaire creating huge amounts of space junk. Irish_Dem Thursday #2
I guess now that election 2024 is over... IthinkThereforeIAM Thursday #3
Bingo Botany Friday #26
I have a few ideas about good places for them to fall... Ocelot II Thursday #4
I was thinking the same thing BlueKota Thursday #11
Also, markodochartaigh Thursday #5
This is yet another way in which Elmo is screwing us while he gets even richer. groundloop Thursday #8
Metaphor alert! mwb970 Thursday #6
They pollute the sky, and they pollute the Earth JoseBalow Thursday #7
They are built to do that. Gore1FL Thursday #9
2025 is peak solar activity ThoughtCriminal Thursday #10
Yay! defacto7 Thursday #12
I believe Devo wrote a song about this. Crowman2009 Thursday #13
Do I hear an "Oops?" Looks like anoher vast idea with a half vast follow through Warpy Thursday #14
Agreed! In fact, I would bet good money... Shipwack Friday #20
Getting them up there is only half the battle Warpy Friday #24
Exactly! You made my point much better than I was. Shipwack Friday #29
Elmo's accomplishments: shitty truck, rocket, satellite, AI, Xhitter Hassler Thursday #15
Kessler effect - the more stuff that's up there, the more chance of collisions. We're already in the early stages progree Thursday #16
Not the same thing I know, but I was just listening to "It came out of the sky"... FemDemERA Thursday #17
Not as complicated as it may seem. Hear me out. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Friday #18
What kind of pollution Old Crank Friday #19
These satellites are filthy going up and they are filthy coming down. hunter Friday #23
Better they come down than remain in orbit. Gore1FL Friday #27
That's not good ck4829 Friday #25
WTH. It's not rocket science! genxlib Friday #28

eppur_se_muova

(40,292 posts)
22. Well, don't ever try towing with a Cybertruck ...
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 06:27 AM
Friday



That looks a little worse than the body panels flying off at highway speed, which led to all 46,000 being recalled.

Irish_Dem

(76,117 posts)
2. Musk is becoming a trillionaire creating huge amounts of space junk.
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 05:51 PM
Thursday

Grifting off the US taxpayer.

Botany

(75,514 posts)
26. Bingo
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 12:13 PM
Friday

Musk turned on 265 low earth orbit satellites that were into his Starlink network on
10/30/24 and they were using DTC … direct to cell … technology and those cell phones
were in contact to Dominion Voting Systems and E.S.&S.’s operating systems and
central tabulators without leaving any “fingerprints.” The cell phones were in contact
with firmware patches and could download, look @, and manipulate the voting data.
Harris didn’t really lose but had millions of votes deleted and or flipped away from her
and Palantir/Peter Thiel was running something called “digital janitor” that didn’t delete
or flip votes but covered up an evidence of that that happened.


markodochartaigh

(4,297 posts)
5. Also,
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 05:59 PM
Thursday

"These satellites are mostly made of aluminum, which turns into aluminum oxide when burned at high temperatures, such as those experienced by satellites hurtling through Earth's atmosphere at orbital speeds. This aluminum ash accumulating at high altitudes worries scientists because of its potential to damage Earth's protective ozone layer and alter its albedo — the ability to reflect sunlight — which could result in changes in the temperature of the upper atmosphere."

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-reentry-pollution-damage-earth-atmosphere

Gore1FL

(22,629 posts)
9. They are built to do that.
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 06:28 PM
Thursday

The business model was to have enough launched to replaced the older de-orbiting ones.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,654 posts)
10. 2025 is peak solar activity
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 06:47 PM
Thursday

High solar activity expands the Earth's atmosphere, causing more low-Earth orbit satellites to experience more drag and re-enter at a greater rate.

I'm not too worried about debris from a Starlink satellite reaching the ground, but I do worry about the environmental effects of large numbers of these objects breaking up in the upper atmosphere .

defacto7

(14,147 posts)
12. Yay!
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 08:05 PM
Thursday

Hey Musk ... So, you thought the earth's atmosphere was smooth and static, huh? Surprise! Go back to High School and take a course in Earth Science or Astronomy101. Better yet, give up while we're all still alive.

Warpy

(114,017 posts)
14. Do I hear an "Oops?" Looks like anoher vast idea with a half vast follow through
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 08:15 PM
Thursday

and either sloppy math or a badly thought out delivery system. Twenty years from now, Starlink receivers will be in museums next to buggy whips and quill pens. With any luck, people will be scratching their heads, wondering how a doofus like Elon Musk could have been considered such a ferocious enemy of the American people.

It looks like we can file this one next to the Hyperlink, self driving cabs that have no way to steer or sto-p them if they swerve into oncoming traffic, and anything wih the word "pod" in the proposal.

Shipwack

(2,879 posts)
20. Agreed! In fact, I would bet good money...
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 02:15 AM
Friday

that, as usual, Musk decided to have the satellites designed without any research on what the standard “best practices” of satellite design were.

As a result, they probably have some basic design error that was eliminated in the ‘60s, but he replicated it unknowingly because he thinks he’s the smartest person who ever lived, and doesn’t need to look at what has been done before.

Warpy

(114,017 posts)
24. Getting them up there is only half the battle
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 11:35 AM
Friday

You have to figure out how to keep them there and that requires either meticulous math or a system to boost them back into proper orbit if they start to drift out of it. NASA has gotten good at that sort of thing. Musk is a tyro who thinks he can cut major corners and just collect accolades and billions of dollars.

Shipwack

(2,879 posts)
29. Exactly! You made my point much better than I was.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:38 PM
Friday

For example, part of the design for a launchpad includes a flame trench. This has been a feature for more than 50 years. I'd have to look up the exact figure.

Musk decided to find out if one was necessary. He didn'tdo any researdh or testing, just built a trenchless launchpad and tested a real rocket and payload on it. The result? The reflected blast from the laucnh destroyed the pad, rocket, and payload. In addition, toxic debris was rained down on the local community. To him, the cost was pocket change... That is, if you don't count all the nearby people that could have been hurt.

All of which could have been avoided with an afternon of reading, and/or a bit of testing. But he wants to launch rockets NOW!

Veruca Musk, maybe?

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progree

(12,420 posts)
16. Kessler effect - the more stuff that's up there, the more chance of collisions. We're already in the early stages
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 09:49 PM
Thursday

of an ultimately run-away cascade. Satellites and the International Space Station already have to maneuver to get out of the way of space junk. Space walks are getting ever more risky.

But who cares, the S&P 500 and NASDAQ set all time records again Wednesday.

FemDemERA

(611 posts)
17. Not the same thing I know, but I was just listening to "It came out of the sky"...
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 10:59 PM
Thursday

Made me feel so good, I played it twice. Sometimes you just have to have a little fun...

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(129,635 posts)
18. Not as complicated as it may seem. Hear me out.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 01:19 AM
Friday

I spent 45 years in the telecommunications business.

I first used a data satellite link about 40 years ago. It was painfully slow.

When Musk announced his Starlink expansion a few years ago I explained my experience with satellite data links. There were people here on DU who explained Musk was defeating the slower speed problem by putting his satellites at a lower orbit.

Well as the old saying goes what goes up must come down. Looks like the lower orbit satellites are finally coming down.

hunter

(40,056 posts)
23. These satellites are filthy going up and they are filthy coming down.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:22 AM
Friday

What's worse, they contribute to the destruction of earth's remaining wilderness by providing easy internet access everywhere.

Let wilderness be wilderness -- without roads, without cell phone service, without easy internet access. Let communication on the high seas remain limited.

Like all or most of Musk's technologies, Starlink does not make the world a better place.

Gore1FL

(22,629 posts)
27. Better they come down than remain in orbit.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 12:54 PM
Friday

Honestly, the planned natural de-orbit of their older devices it's one of the things they did right.

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