Police shoot suspect as at least two people killed in car and knife attack at Manchester synagogue

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: The Guardian

Two people have died and three remain in a serious condition after a suspected terror attack outside a synagogue in Crumpsall by a man believed to have been shot dead by police, Greater Manchester police said.

Police shot the suspect after one person was stabbed and a car was driven at members of the public at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation synagogue.

The force said it had “declared Plato” – the national codeword used by police and emergency services when responding to a “marauding terror attack” – at 9.37am.
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“A third person, a man believed to be the offender, was shot by GMP firearms officers and is also believed to be deceased. It cannot currently be confirmed due to safety issues surround suspicious items on his person. The bomb disposal unit has been called and is now at the scene.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/02/police-at-scene-of-reported-stabbing-at-synagogue-in-manchester

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This is Manchester, England, to be clear.

Live BBC coverage: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2703lnww4t
and The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2025/oct/02/police-reports-stabbing-synagogue-greater-manchester-live

[Solly Mack]

1. Damn

[EX500rider]

2. Picture of the suspect with things (bomb?) tied around his waist:

[question everything]

3. Not enough police presence?

[maxsolomon]

4. The attacker was shot dead by the police within 7 minutes.

It sounds as if they responded immediately. They just couldn't prevent it from starting.

[EX500rider]

5. Wow, his name was literally "Jihad"

The attacker, Jihad Al-Shamie, a 35-year-old British man described as being of Syrian decent.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd93x0ql0do

[Polybius]

6. Should have been a red flag when he was let in

Unreal that it was overlooked.

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. When he was under 5?

According to the force he is "a British citizen of Syrian descent".

ITV News understands he was a father and his family had lived in Greater Manchester for at least 30 years.

Al-Shamie was understood to have entered the UK as a young child and been granted British citizenship in 2006 when he was around the age of 16. His father appears to have worked as a trauma surgeon for several NGOs in warzones across the world.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/major-incident-stabbing-synagogue-102938998.html

You'd really ban a family coming into a country in the 90s, because their son was called "Jihad"?

[Polybius]

8. Why not?

It would turn out that it would have been the right thing to do, as lives were lost. I'd certainly ban his parents from entering the UK, after naming their kid Jihad.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. Because the UK aren't fascists? (nt)

[Polybius]

11. Two people died (with others in serious condition), and you're still saying it was the right idea to let them in?

It's not fascist to understand that the UK has a serious refuge problem, with a huge amount refusing to assimilate.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. I'm saying that this in not "Minority Report", and officials can't see 30 years in the future

I mean, yes, the father is a trauma surgeon who has worked with the ICRC in war zones around the world like South Sudan. So he's done a lot of good. And given the timeline, he was probably already a surgeon, or a surgeon in training, when they came in. It was not a "refugee" situation.

The killer was an awful person at the end; but he hadn't been associated with extremism. Most of his life does not seem to have been a problem. So your idea that his first name indicated he was destined to be evil is just - bonkers.

[Polybius]

13. The parents naming him that was a red flag, showing their potential extremism

But it goes beyond that for me. I wouldn't have granted them asylum regardless of their names. UK has a refugee problem.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. As I said, the UK are not fascists

But there's no indication the father came to the UK for asylum. He's a surgeon, and came with a young child (so had probably already started either training or practising), and Syria and the UK had normal relations in the 90s.

Not granting asylum to actual refugees is, of course, against international law. It is the kind of thing that Trump likes. I see you are saying countries should have been that cruel for 30 years.

[Polybius]

15. Cut it out with the casual use of the fascist word

It's not against international law, btw. Countries make their own laws, or abide by EU laws. Yes, I am against asylum from certain countries with high amounts of violent religious extremists. Obvious exceptions would be if they are a persecuted religion that is fleeing from Al-Qaeda types.

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. Casual discrimination against a family because an official had a personal dislike of a name of a child

would be institutional power used against a foreigner because they're a foreigner. It would be fascist.

Remembering that this family were not refugees, yes, it's international law:

Seeking asylum is a human right and every person in the world has the right to apply for asylum if they are fleeing conflict or persecution. They must not be expelled or returned to situations where their lives or freedoms would be in danger. This is the principle of non-refoulement which is enshrined in the 1951 Refugee Convention. It is also part of human rights law and customary international law and must be guaranteed by all countries.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/about-unhcr/who-we-protect/asylum-seekers

Saying "there are a lot of violent religious extremists in your country - screw the fact that you're persecuted yourself" would be highly right-wing - more so than the Conservatives have ever been. in the UK. It would fit in with the Tommy Robinson rally a few weeks ago - he's right-wing scum, a criminal, and a favourite of Elon Musk.

[Polybius]

17. Call it what you wish

I would not grant asylum to those from countries with a heavy presence of religious extremists, unless they (for example) were Christians escaping persecution in Sudan, or Jews from wherever. UK turned to the right because of this.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. Manchester synagogue terrorist was on bail for alleged rape

The Manchester synagogue terrorist was on police bail for an alleged rape when he carried out the attack, the Guardian can reveal.

Jihad al-Shamie, 35, was being investigated over an alleged sexual attack, which it is understood was said to have taken place earlier this year.

The Syrian-born attacker is also believed to have criminal convictions, although he was not on the radar of counter-terrorism officers or of MI5.

Police said on Friday night that they believed Shamie “may have been influenced by extreme Islamist ideology”, but added: “Establishing the full circumstances of the attack is likely to take some time.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-was-on-bail-for-alleged