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muriel_volestrangler

(105,112 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 05:07 AM Sep 17

Four arrested after images of Trump and Epstein projected on to Windsor Castle ahead of president's visit

Source: The Guardian

Four people have been arrested after images of Donald Trump alongside deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein were projected on to Windsor Castle, where the US president is set to be hosted by King Charles during his state visit to Britain.

Trump arrived in Britain late on Tuesday for an unprecedented second state visit, and will be greeted by Charles on Wednesday for a day of pomp at Windsor Castle, about 25 miles west of London.

Earlier on Tuesday, protesters unfurled a massive banner featuring a photograph of Trump and Epstein near Windsor Castle, and later projected several images of the two on to one of the castle’s towers.

The police said in a statement four adults were arrested on suspicion of malicious communications after an “unauthorised projection” at Windsor Castle, which they described as a “public stunt”. The four remain in custody.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/17/four-arrested-after-image-of-trump-and-epstein-projected-onto-windsor-castle-ahead-of-presidents-visit



Notice they've been kept in custody overnight - this was not just "arrest them so they can turn off the projector". "Malicious communications" is normally used for harassment, intimidation and so on - eg a police document lists it under "Threats and intimidation" and "Psychological abuse".

Somehow, when Trump turns up, everyone becomes authoritarian.



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Four arrested after images of Trump and Epstein projected on to Windsor Castle ahead of president's visit (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Sep 17 OP
Incredible-We Need This Capability for No Kings Day MrWowWow Sep 17 #1
Can Charles pardon them? raccoon Sep 17 #2
The government does pardons, not the monarch muriel_volestrangler Sep 17 #3
No. He is head of state only. Has little formal legal power. Irish_Dem Sep 17 #5
Telling the truth about criminals is harassment and abuse? Irish_Dem Sep 17 #4
"Malicious Communications" ????????????????????? popsdenver Sep 17 #20
Everyone seems to fall in line to ass kiss our Dear Leader. Irish_Dem Sep 17 #23
Behold the Monster the Frankensteinian United States created (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 17 #27
And everyone acts shocked when Frankenstein turns on them. Irish_Dem Sep 17 #28
The irony of accusing anyone of harassment and abuse MadameButterfly Sep 17 #31
Psychopaths usually blame others of the crimes they themselves are committing. Irish_Dem Sep 17 #33
Thank you, UK heroes! perdita9 Sep 17 #6
Bravo! Alice B. Sep 17 #7
How about a medal otchmoson Sep 17 #8
I can't love what they're doing nearly enough - especially the channel 4 lie debunking thing Alice B. Sep 17 #12
Anyone know popsdenver Sep 17 #29
There's another thread somewhere, I think, that includes a discussion about that Alice B. Sep 18 #34
Thx A. B. popsdenver Sep 18 #35
I'm trying! Multitasking at work on my doomscroll break! Alice B. Sep 18 #36
This one? I didn't read the whole way through to see if a viable source for US viewing was offered but this is the one.. Alice B. Sep 18 #37
WE need to send them thank yous en mass MadameButterfly Sep 17 #32
It is rather degrading to the castle. twodogsbarking Sep 17 #9
Perhaps Raven123 Sep 17 #17
I love the Brits! From what I've heard this morning, the reason they're hiding Trump at Windsor Castle is Vinca Sep 17 #10
Wouldn't he be just as safe at the Baskerville mansion... IthinkThereforeIAM Sep 17 #19
they should have also put up a pict with Andrew and Epstein as well. nt Javaman Sep 17 #11
IANAL, but I'll be surprised if they can make those charges stick if it ever makes it to court Emrys Sep 17 #13
Most certainly popsdenver Sep 17 #21
And, yet, some Americans talk about moving to the UK to get out of this country. They are a U.S. copy there. Wonder Why Sep 17 #14
Yes, I was there over the summer fujiyamasan Sep 17 #25
Send in the National Guard!! JohnnyRingo Sep 17 #15
On behalf of all the decent people on earth, I hereby award BoRaGard Sep 17 #16
And a Nobel Peace Prize... travelingthrulife Sep 17 #18
For projecting historical photos? AllyCat Sep 17 #22
It's the cheapest way of getting on his side muriel_volestrangler Sep 17 #24
If "unauthorised projection" is a crime IronLionZion Sep 17 #26
I think this is for show..they'll be out after TSF leaves. No property damage or anyone hurt.. Deuxcents Sep 17 #30

MrWowWow

(1,461 posts)
1. Incredible-We Need This Capability for No Kings Day
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 05:10 AM
Sep 17

Definitely Seattle will be on this. Nighttime projection is always tricky.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,112 posts)
3. The government does pardons, not the monarch
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 05:32 AM
Sep 17

although they are "in the monarch's name". The last monarch to try a pardon on his own was George IV (reigned 1820-1830), according to Wikipedia, referencing a House of Commons note:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_of_mercy

Not since the 19th century has the monarch attempted to exercise this
prerogative personally. King George IV wished to influence the Lord
Lieutenant of Ireland in exercising the prerogative of mercy in relation to a
death sentence for an inhabitant of Clare who had burned his own house
down. When Sir Robert Peel, the then Home Secretary, threatened
resignation, the King gave way. Cases of persons sentenced to death at the
Old Bailey were once considered by the monarch at a meeting of the Privy
Council. George IV often advocated mercy until over-ruled by his advisers.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9877/CBP-9877.pdf

And the current government, though Labour, are trying to "look tough" - there's no chance they'd let anyone off if they were convicted.

popsdenver

(854 posts)
20. "Malicious Communications" ?????????????????????
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 12:37 PM
Sep 17

Wow, there is a new Crime...........

I am sure that Trump will be quick to pick up on that and institute it here in America.

Trump has most certainly already sent that phrase, "Malicious Communications," to his CABAL .....especially Patel and Bondi, and we will soon be installing it as a Federal Felony here in America. He has already been doing it, going after everyone who is outspoken about him and his fascist tyranny, but now has a catchy name for the charges against anyone that speaks out against him or his administration.......The Republicans in the Senate and House, along with the Republicans Justices in the U.S. Supreme Court will jump right on it to back him up......

The Brit's are apparently hedging their bets also, by honoring him.......... Guess Trump has them all frightened, just as he has done with so many other people and nations........

MadameButterfly

(3,661 posts)
31. The irony of accusing anyone of harassment and abuse
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 07:01 PM
Sep 17

AGAINST Trump....

they do get it don't they? until Trump stops his harrassment and abuse we have a duty to do the same back.
I wish the Brits wouldn't give Trump the impression that they think it's an arrestable offence.

Irish_Dem

(77,149 posts)
33. Psychopaths usually blame others of the crimes they themselves are committing.
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 07:07 PM
Sep 17

It is classic.
So many people fall for it.

I hope the Brits let these guys go asap when the Orange F wad leaves.

perdita9

(1,313 posts)
6. Thank you, UK heroes!
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 06:21 AM
Sep 17

It's the people who are showing courage in standing up to a wannabe dictator. The media, the courts and conservatives are actively and passively destroying our democracy for profit or out of cowardice.

otchmoson

(256 posts)
8. How about a medal
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 06:58 AM
Sep 17

Isn't there a royal medal that could be bestowed on the perpetrators? They deserve it!

Alice B.

(660 posts)
12. I can't love what they're doing nearly enough - especially the channel 4 lie debunking thing
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 08:35 AM
Sep 17

They need a medal, too!

Alice B.

(660 posts)
34. There's another thread somewhere, I think, that includes a discussion about that
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 06:33 AM
Sep 18

I’ll try find it.

Alice B.

(660 posts)
37. This one? I didn't read the whole way through to see if a viable source for US viewing was offered but this is the one..
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 11:07 AM
Sep 18

MadameButterfly

(3,661 posts)
32. WE need to send them thank yous en mass
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 07:03 PM
Sep 17

maybe straight to the prison where they are being held (which might have the added benefit of annoying the prison and sending them a message tooo)

Kind of like when we send a birthday greeting to a beloved politician...

Raven123

(7,231 posts)
17. Perhaps
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 09:32 AM
Sep 17

Some would suggest hosting Trump is more degrading, but I get your point. I think we tried going high when he went low and it didn’t work out so well. I guess they learned from our experience.

Vinca

(52,940 posts)
10. I love the Brits! From what I've heard this morning, the reason they're hiding Trump at Windsor Castle is
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 07:38 AM
Sep 17

to prevent massive demonstrations in London.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,244 posts)
19. Wouldn't he be just as safe at the Baskerville mansion...
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 11:02 AM
Sep 17

... the word "mansion" would be the hook to get Der Dingleberry to at least visit. "Release the hound"!

Emrys

(8,741 posts)
13. IANAL, but I'll be surprised if they can make those charges stick if it ever makes it to court
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 08:36 AM
Sep 17

It's hard to disagree with a Led By Donkeys spokesperson quoted in The Independent:

"My colleagues were arrested for malicious communications, which seems ridiculous, because we’ve done 25 or 30 projections before, no-one’s ever been arrested,” the spokesperson told the PA news agency on Wednesday.

“In fact, sometimes the police have just watched while we’ve done it.

“So suddenly, because it’s Trump, you get this reaction, which is surprising, disappointing and very heavy-handed from police.

“I think they’ve been arrested for embarrassing Donald Trump,” the spokesperson added.

“It’s because Donald Trump’s got a very thin skin. They’re protecting his ego.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/thames-valley-police-led-by-donkeys-trump-windsor-castle-windsor-b2828211.html


Other grounds for the arrest may include embarrassing the security services, but that's not reported as appearing on the charge sheet, nor is it an offence in itself, much as some might wish it to be.

The legislation they appear to be held in custody under would be the Malicious Communications Act (1988), which applies in England and Wales. It should be noted that they're currently only being held on "suspicion" of malicious communications.

It's in no way clear how the projections meet the legal criteria of a set of messages which is "indecent or grossly offensive; or threatening; or contains information which is false or believed to be false" or intended to "cause distress or anxiety" (intent is one of the keys to prosecution under this legislation).

popsdenver

(854 posts)
21. Most certainly
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 12:45 PM
Sep 17

Trump was ecstatic at the fact that they arrested those who did it......and is itching to get back to the U.S. where he can institute the charge of
"Malicious Communications" here in the U.S. to include people with protest signs peacefully protesting, as well as any of us saying ANYTHING against Trump or members of his CABAL on ANY internet group like D.U. etc

Now he can justify it by saying the U.K. has been doing it for years.............

Wonder Why

(6,328 posts)
14. And, yet, some Americans talk about moving to the UK to get out of this country. They are a U.S. copy there.
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 09:00 AM
Sep 17

fujiyamasan

(827 posts)
25. Yes, I was there over the summer
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 01:33 PM
Sep 17

People sound disgruntled. I have a bad feeling someone truly repulsive like Farage will come into power. It’s ripe for that sort of takeover. They’re inking these trade deals because they’re desperate. They seem to want to double down on stupid after Brexit.

Seems like they’re basically competing with us.

BoRaGard

(7,591 posts)
16. On behalf of all the decent people on earth, I hereby award
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 09:29 AM
Sep 17

these four people a full Citizen's Pardon, and a Citizen's Medal of Honor.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,112 posts)
24. It's the cheapest way of getting on his side
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 01:23 PM
Sep 17

The state visit (his second, which would normally never be given to a president with a maximum of 8 total years in office, if he doesn't drop dead or get 25th Amendmented) is unabashed brown-nosing. Sure, it costs a little to host him, but they've kept the cost down by not venturing out in public with all the policing costs that would need, and whether or not it's cheaper than a direct crypto bribe, as other countries are doing, it's still less embarrassing than that (and doesn't run the risk of some legal officer deciding to get all honest about bribes - unlikely, but possible). And it's far cheaper than promising to invest money in the USA or something.

So the image of behaving like a democracy with moral standards has to be thrown out of the window, and the British state wallows in Trump's moral and financial corruption. When he's gone, they'll all say, slightly shame-facedly, "well, we had to do it for the sake of 'good relations', don't worry, we'll never do that again, oh no, of course not". Parliament at least seems to have got away without him turning up there, so they can hold their heads higher.

Today's Private Eye magazine cover sums the hypocrisy up:

IronLionZion

(50,234 posts)
26. If "unauthorised projection" is a crime
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 01:35 PM
Sep 17

it's time to arrest Republicans trying to project their own extremist violence onto liberals and trans people

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