Arizona plan would arm principals
Source: CNN
Arizona's attorney general proposed arming one principal or employee at each school to defend against attacks such as the recent Connecticut school massacre.
"The ideal solution would be to have an armed police officer in each school," Attorney General Tom Horne said in a news release Wednesday. But budget cuts have limited the number of Arizona schools with "school resource officers" on campus, he said.
The "next best solution," Horne said, "is to have one person in the school trained to handle firearms, to handle emergency situations, and possessing a firearm in a secure location."
A shooter, armed with a semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, on December 14 killed 26 people -- including six faculty members and 20 young students -- at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/26/us/arizona-armed-principals/index.html
Horne's the same atty. gen. who pressured a school district to cut ethnic studies.
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underthematrix
(5,811 posts)so many problems the NRA has not thought through. Will school personnel have to have both a physical and mental status exam to be eligible to carry a gun. How would it affect school personnel who have a drug or domestic violence history? Would we have to wrry about some unstable or stressed out school personnel branishing their weapons as a way to keep students in line? What happens when a teacher and student get into it and out of anger the teacher pulls their weapon? How will some students respond to the knowledge that their teachers and other school personnel are armed?
Arming school personnel does not seem like a very safe idea.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)donnasgirl
(656 posts)To me how you would answer to this,
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service
why are his kids protected and not everybody elses and if you stop and think about it they have a good point.
donnasgirl
(656 posts)
alp227
(32,980 posts)Sidwell has to have the security to prevent something disastrous. Obama has enough trouble just being head of the state. If something were to happen to his kids...wow.
Plus, didn't Sidwell have some of its own non SS security when Bill Clinton's daughter went there?
I'd say that anyone who's providing armed security at any public place like a school must be active duty law enforcement, period.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Being the President is a much harder job than I CAN B PRESIDENT Barbie and the movie First Kid make it seem. In fact, one of the occupational hazards of the job are near-constant death threats. And — SURPRISE — the same President who inspires billboards more racist than a cartoon version of Birth of a Nation starring the cast of Loony Tunes has also moved tens of thousands of people to make threats against the First Family's life. How many, you may ask? Try around 30 a day. Or about 40,000 since Barack Obama first began receiving death threats, back in 2007.
According to a super depressing report linked from The Daily Kos, the Secret Service doesn't even tell the President about the threats on his life out of concern that knowing the precise level of crazy out there would distract him from all the important Presidenting he has to do.
A dubious-looking petition site claims Obama has received more death threats than any other President, and while the head of the Secret Service says the organization doesn't comment on the exact number of threats that face the head of the executive branch, multiple news reports have characterized the number of threats against Obama as "overwhelming" and "unprecedented."
But the threats haven't stopped at Barack; in 2009, a woman who knew the Obamas' Hawaii vacation itinerary and threatened to "blow away" the First Lady was arrested a mile from where the First Family was staying. Others have threatened the Obama girls, Sasha and Malia.
donnasgirl
(656 posts)I agree with what you say,second and have already stated this to the other individual to no avail,2nd thing is the presidents buddy rahm,and who the hell is this Breitbot it is the first time i have heard of it.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Or are you saying you posted a cite to him out of ignorance?
Which no one is going to buy.
donnasgirl
(656 posts)not saying anything,this was sent to me by a friend from the west coast and it is the very first time i have ever heard of it.I guess i should explain,i am a trucker who is home about every 2 or 3 weeks when it's busy and right now we are kind of slow,my point is i do not have a lot of time to catch up on things.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Hmmm
So, you don't want the Presidents kids protected?
You don't think they are vunerable to kidnapping?
Have your right wing troll hanging my friend,do you think i would be the only democrat in this site who owns a gun,(try again with your sissy name calling).
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Your posts are getting less and less readable.
This one made no sense at all.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Then act ignorant about it.
Sissy? Who the fuck you calling a sissy? What, you think you are a tough shit because you own a gun?
You should be on the mental list.
donnasgirl
(656 posts)No i am not a right wing troll,what i am is a veteran and a individual who thinks what happend is a dam shame and any person who thinks otherwise would have to be nuts.
Yes i think Obamas kids should be protected,but my point is why not ours (in my case grand children) this world is full of all kinds of nut cases and i just happen to think all of our treasures should be protected as anybody elses.The kids in this country or any country for that matter should be protected.
Please forgive me for sounding a bit angry,but at this point in time i am when people run around calling other folks names (troll) it sounds like the tea party and what they do to people for having a different view.In my opinion there is no need for name calling,this is how shit gets started in the first place.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)According to the Secret Service.
It appears the armed guards are prudent.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)"one person in the school trained to handle firearms, to handle emergency situations, and possessing a firearm in a secure location." Waa?
I think at least Columbine CO had a real full time security guard......did not stop mass murder ...but this here is the true bottom of the barrel idea
I did not think it could get any more idiotic
valerief
(53,235 posts)starve to death so they wouldn't go hungry.
Bass-akwards.
OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Good times. He's like some kind of mutated Hobbit with an arsenal.
tblue
(16,350 posts)Man he's hot. 
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Arming the principal is about the stupidest thing I've heard yet.
williesgirl
(4,033 posts)atreides1
(16,799 posts)Because there are not as many "good people" of Arizona as you may think!
rrneck
(17,671 posts)with a police officer in a school. I don't know how much it would help, but I wouldn't mind. But as far as I'm concerned guns don't belong in schools and I don't like the idea of arming the staff at a school. A police officer with a gun and a badge, okay, but nobody else.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I don't want a principal who is willing and trained to kill. I don't want guns and ammo anywhere around my students. Fuck no! Arizona is going way rogue. I will never set foot in that backwards pit. And I am so sorry for the good and sensible people who call it home. My sympathies.
Hasn't anyone ever heard of a bad teacher or other faculty? We are not perfect. Do not put one more killing machine in people's hands!
blueclown
(1,869 posts)
TheBlackAdder
(29,804 posts)Unfortunately, the reality is as follows:
1) Towns do not have the $75K a year to provide for a police officer in each school, including salary, training, uniforms, equipment, pension, and coverage when they are out of the building. My town has 14 schools. The High Schools have officers, but not the elementary and middle schools.
2) If there is an event at an elementary school, the principal would be the probable early contact.
3) The principal, as first contact, will risk their life meeting the aggressor.
4) Arming all teachers is ludicrous.
5) Having a police officer in an elementary school is unsettling for small children.
6) Most schools do not have highly-secured entry points, similar to England.
7) In NJ, the governor severely cut school funding, promoting charter schools, as he was a private school outsourcing lobbyist before becoming governor and is a major stock holder in one outsourcing firm. But, he was able to find $1.2 Billion to give folks making above $400K tax breaks to coincide with the federal tax breaks they are getting. There will be limited school construction efforts in the foreseeable future to address security, most will come from towns and PTA fundraisers.
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I am against having any type of armed forces in an elementary school or middle school, but we must keep ourselves in reality. With limited funds, the ability to properly secure most schools, including private schools, is an unobtainable goal. The entry points need to be secured to prevent intrusion even under fire, but that will cost tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands per school to implement. In my town, police response is under 2 minutes, but in those 2 minutes, especially if entry is achieved, could be extremely costly. The aggressor could do as much damage as possible before locking themselves in a crowed classroom to complete the carnage.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)Now he's doing it again.
We in Arizona seem to really love dipshits!
blackspade
(10,056 posts)So principles are the only ones that get armed?
What if they are crappy shots? what are their liabilities?
This is such a fucked up idea on so many levels.
These nuts are trying to turn every place into an armed camp for their own profit.
Captain Boomerang
(194 posts)Examples; Bank robberies still happen, soldiers still get killed, cops get killed everyday.
The idea of arming people to prevent crimes comes from a limited imagination.
Besides.The principals should be armed anyway because it is an American's right to bear arms ! RAWR!!!
(They don't need no stinkin badges.)
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)I'm packer, you're a packer, he's a packer, she's a packer, they're packers, wouldn't you like to be a packer too?
Prometheus_unbound
(57 posts)
DaveJ
(5,023 posts)Just a matter of time before a principal has a mental breakdown and shoots up the school.
RandiFan1290
(6,634 posts)Are they obligated to run towards gunfire? Do they go outside and meet with the police in their safe staging area where they wait for the shooting to stop?
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)State Congressman: We need to do something about gun violence.
Gun Lobby: What we need is more guns. That way when someone goes to shoot people there is a better chance someone will shoot them.
State Congressman: Why you are right. But won't more guns make it more likely that gun violence will occur?
Gun Lobby: Of course not. We will all be safer. Talk like that more and we won't be attending any of your breakfasts.
State Congressman: No, no...no worries I was just thinking.
Gun Lobby: We don't pay you to think.
State COngressman: Oh, yeah....Will I get a gun too?
Gun Lobby: Sure, come out to my car you can pick one out for you the kids. I've got some high capacity magazines too.
State Congressman: Cool.
Gun Lobby: Hows your oldest?
State Congressman: Oh he is fine since he got back and stays on his meds.
Gun Lobby: Well thats great I have a great rifle for him, AR-15 and a real flak jacket.
SC: Oh he will like that.
GL: Yup make a real man out of him.
ywcachieve
(365 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)1Greensix
(111 posts)The major reason all those kids at Sandy Hook died was that they could not exit their classroom after the shooter had entered the building. School classrooms should be remodeled to have two or more exit doors on opposite sides of the room, or 90 degrees to the main door. Multiple story schools would have classrooms interconnected with doors so kids could move from one room to another without going into a central hallway. Single story buildings would not need full-time use doors, as emergency one-way doors would suffice for many installations.
Anything makes more sense than armed teachers or principals (who aren't at their schools at least one day a week due to other job obligations). Armed guards only make sense if they are actual police officers. If armed guards are on campus a shooter could just wait a few minutes and kill kids at a school crossing, so should we next arm the local crossing guards with AK-47's. And then, since kids walk from the school crosswalk to home unguarded, maybe should have some way to protect them. Should we hire guards to protect them every step of the way??? Of COURSE. We already do. We call them cops.
More room exits, not guns on campus.
Iggo
(49,337 posts)
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)I am picturing a weapon in a locked case.
Anyway...
I agree that it is extremely unlikely to help. But right now we have heroic teachers and school officials charging off to confront these maniacs with nothing more than unbelievable courage and their unimaginable love and sense of duty. This is heroism of the HIGHEST order. They deserve freaking statues in Washington, and highways named after them. Damn right I trust them with a weapon!
Honestly, I would have no problem if there were a weapon locked in a case in every classroom. Perhaps an electronic lock controlled from the principle's office. That way, the next time a teacher places her body between her kids and danger, she might have a chance to kill the cocksucker before he slaughters her children.
How likely is it to help? No one knows. But when the situation has gone that horrifically bad and the Devil is stalking through the classrooms, it's a chance.
DaveJ
(5,023 posts)Sex-ed. Now way. Ridiculous.
But, I guess that's what's gotta happen in a country such as ours, unless guns are banned, which doesn't seem likely to happen.