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BumRushDaShow

(152,487 posts)
Sat May 17, 2025, 05:34 PM 19 hrs ago

Trump administration set to shutter iconic research center in New Yor

Source: Axios

11 hours ago


Scientists at an iconic NASA research center in New York City have been told they have until the end of the month to vacate their building and everything in it— with nowhere else to go.

Why it matters: The closure of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, a building owned by Columbia University and made famous for housing the diner that appears in "Seinfeld," is the latest blow to scientists and climate change researchers from the Trump administration and DOGE.

  • Scientists at Goddard who spoke to Axios warn that critical work — including the maintenance of global temperature records dating back to the 1880s used by economists, insurance companies and private developers — is at risk with the Center's closure.
  • Home to more than 100 scientists, the Goddard center is nearly as old as NASA itself, founded in 1966. It's where the terms "black hole" and "quasar" were coined.


  • State of play: Scientists there got an email last month alerting them to the imminent closure of the building, four of them told Axios Friday afternoon.

  • "This is existential for us," said Joy Romanski, a climate scientist at Columbia University who works at the center. "We can't recreate this anywhere else. And it doesn't work to be remote."
  • The others, who work directly for NASA, asked for anonymity for fear of retribution from the federal government.
  • They were told to remove all belongings from the space, down to the bare walls.


  • Zoom out: The magic sauce to the center, they said, is the collaboration between scientists and the post-doctoral students that come through every few years, as well as its close relationship to Columbia University.

  • "This is highly destructive to us, and I believe it's intentional," one said.


  • Read more: https://www.axios.com/2025/05/17/trump-nasa-goddard-office
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    Trump administration set to shutter iconic research center in New Yor (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 19 hrs ago OP
    Time for the Real Billionaires Inkey 18 hrs ago #1
    Time for them to pay somebody to.... paleotn 17 hrs ago #10
    Oh yes wolfie001 13 hrs ago #19
    Neil deGrasse Tyson works there IbogaProject 18 hrs ago #2
    Neil is a Trump supporter blue cat 17 hrs ago #6
    A silly rumor. Nothing more. paleotn 17 hrs ago #12
    Yeah, it makes no sense at all that he'd be a Trump supporter. ShazzieB 12 hrs ago #20
    I guess caving to trump choie 18 hrs ago #3
    Fuck That Fuckin' Fucker! BidenRocks 18 hrs ago #4
    Reminder angrychair 17 hrs ago #5
    So MSM should report that, right?? Evolve Dammit 17 hrs ago #8
    Exactly. LisaM 17 hrs ago #9
    Every day we go backwards n/t hibbing 17 hrs ago #7
    Let's face it. ShazzieB 17 hrs ago #11
    Reminds me of Nazis and their distaste for "Jewish Science" paleotn 16 hrs ago #13
    Both science, history, and woke education. ananda 16 hrs ago #15
    It's just what Fascist's do. ReRe 16 hrs ago #17
    WRONG!!! Say it aloud: "WRONG!!!!!" BurnDoubt 16 hrs ago #14
    Help me out here ... defacto7 16 hrs ago #16
    I don't get that either Bayard 15 hrs ago #18
    Remember all those Muskrat-directed GSA-owned building and GSA lease cancels? BumRushDaShow 8 hrs ago #22
    But this still implies that the building belongs to the university. defacto7 2 hrs ago #23
    If the government cancels its lease BumRushDaShow 1 hr ago #24
    I think I figured out my problem. defacto7 1 hr ago #25
    As a 30+ year (now-retired 8 years) fed BumRushDaShow 2 min ago #27
    This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius 9 hrs ago #21
    Houston, we have a problem .. Bo Zarts 26 min ago #26

    Inkey

    (390 posts)
    1. Time for the Real Billionaires
    Sat May 17, 2025, 05:46 PM
    18 hrs ago

    To step up and place some endowments
    to secure this information trove before
    it gone. The future awaits you !

    IbogaProject

    (4,405 posts)
    2. Neil deGrasse Tyson works there
    Sat May 17, 2025, 05:47 PM
    18 hrs ago

    I have always hated Mr Drumpf but this term has somehow managed to multiply that hatred.

    paleotn

    (20,364 posts)
    12. A silly rumor. Nothing more.
    Sat May 17, 2025, 07:36 PM
    17 hrs ago

    If you read and watch his rhetoric, he's most definitely not. Just shows that people are on edge, and when they are they have a bad habit of overreacting and making things up.

    ShazzieB

    (20,663 posts)
    20. Yeah, it makes no sense at all that he'd be a Trump supporter.
    Sat May 17, 2025, 11:48 PM
    12 hrs ago

    Last edited Sun May 18, 2025, 03:10 AM - Edit history (1)

    Among other things, Neil is a highly educated, very educated and perceptive individual. I have a hard time imagining him not being aware of how staggeringly stupid Schlump is or being able to fall for the MAGA bull crap. I'd have to see some very hard evidence to be convinced otherwise.

    angrychair

    (10,610 posts)
    5. Reminder
    Sat May 17, 2025, 07:08 PM
    17 hrs ago

    The Mango Mussolini has no legal or constitutional authority to do this. This administration is, in fact, breaking several laws including the impoundment act and the Constitution, among others

    ShazzieB

    (20,663 posts)
    11. Let's face it.
    Sat May 17, 2025, 07:33 PM
    17 hrs ago

    Schlump won't be satisfied unless and until he can erase science completely. It's truly horrifying. 😱

    paleotn

    (20,364 posts)
    13. Reminds me of Nazis and their distaste for "Jewish Science"
    Sat May 17, 2025, 07:45 PM
    16 hrs ago

    Luckily, that "Jewish Science" was integral in creating a working atomic weapon. Nazi Germany went down the rabbit hole of Deutsche Physik, and Heisenberg created nothing. We didn't labor under such foolishness. Unfortunately, in a different way, now we are.

    ReRe

    (11,646 posts)
    17. It's just what Fascist's do.
    Sat May 17, 2025, 08:35 PM
    16 hrs ago

    They hate science. History is another field they don't care for. Oh, and education, period.

    defacto7

    (14,056 posts)
    16. Help me out here ...
    Sat May 17, 2025, 08:30 PM
    16 hrs ago

    If the building is owned by Columbia University what does the government have to do with commanding that it be cleared it out? Why is that not up to the university to decide? De-funding the institute is one thing, but getting thrown out of the building by a deadline is another. What does the university have to say about it? Do they kowtow to Trump whims? Is there another renter interested in leasing that property? I think there's a red arrow pointing at the university here.

    BumRushDaShow

    (152,487 posts)
    22. Remember all those Muskrat-directed GSA-owned building and GSA lease cancels?
    Sun May 18, 2025, 04:07 AM
    8 hrs ago

    I am guessing that the government was leasing the building from Columbia and has now cancelled that lease.

    One of the news sites had linked to an early, later retracted archived list of what DOGE loons had considered "non-core" properties back in March - https://web.archive.org/web/20250304192710/https://www.gsa.gov/real-estate/real-estate-services/real-property-disposition/noncore-property-list

    Example article from then - GSA lists agency headquarters among 440 ‘non-core’ assets for possible disposal

    The list has been updated since - the more recent list described with business jargon - https://www.gsa.gov/real-estate/real-estate-services/real-property-disposition/assets-identified-for-accelerated-disposition

    defacto7

    (14,056 posts)
    23. But this still implies that the building belongs to the university.
    Sun May 18, 2025, 10:40 AM
    2 hrs ago

    That would mean the university would be calling the shots concerning occupancy if the lease was canceled. On the other hand, if the government retained the lease and wanted to sublet it to someone else I guess they could throw them out, but that's not what it says. I think the other docs are about the government wanting to dispense with properties it owns (or leases?). Maybe the government owns that property and they were leasing it to the university and the article got it wrong. I'm just trying to follow what's written in the article and it's unclear where the onus really lies.

    BumRushDaShow

    (152,487 posts)
    24. If the government cancels its lease
    Sun May 18, 2025, 10:53 AM
    1 hr ago

    it's no different than a person cancelling a lease to an apartment.

    The building probably IS owned by Columbia and the government plans to no longer be there and are "vacating the premises".

    It has no bearing on who owns the building it's a matter of no longer paying to be there.

    It is all the AI-programmed bullshit "cancellations" that brainlessly make no provisions for WHERE the occupants WILL be (assuming they haven't already been "fired" since NASA has been undergoing a gutting process).

    There is a similar phenomena of cancelling WAH (work at home) agreements and forcing employees to return to work with not enough leased space to even work. I have former co-workers who had indicated that there was a running joke going around about "driving in to work and sitting in their cars out on the street to try to access their networks" because there was no office space to return to.

    (and just to clarify - federal employees are not just working in "government-owned" buildings but most are probably working in "private" buildings where space is leased by GSA)

    defacto7

    (14,056 posts)
    25. I think I figured out my problem.
    Sun May 18, 2025, 11:42 AM
    1 hr ago

    As an outsider having never been had a government job, it's easy to think that these agencies are individual entities. No, they "are" the government. They and all their stuff, their projects, experiments, equipment, their microwave ovens, it's all owned by the government. They do what they're told. Gees, I have to get it in my head that it's the whole government that's being pulled into a rat hole, not just agencies going off a cliff separately. When you think about that, you realize how practically impossible it will be to recover the losses.

    BumRushDaShow

    (152,487 posts)
    27. As a 30+ year (now-retired 8 years) fed
    Sun May 18, 2025, 12:42 PM
    2 min ago

    you can imagine the pain I am feeling watching all this unfold. I am glad that I left before it happened (it was 2 weeks after 45's first term inauguration) but I still have former coworkers at my agency (a bunch of whom had a "retirement/layoff" get-together luncheon a few weeks ago).

    When you say "it's all owned by the government" - that's what the old "G.I." term that evolved to reference soldiers, sortof meant - "Government issue".

    As a daughter of a fed, I remember having these at home -



    When I eventually worked for them, we had the Skillcraft-logoed ones (the "ABILITY ONE" contract was with a company that hired the disabled) -



    And then eventually our office just bought pens from Staples.

    I expect ABILITY ONE is on the chopping block (if it wasn't already taken out).

    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Bo Zarts

    (25,994 posts)
    26. Houston, we have a problem ..
    Sun May 18, 2025, 12:18 PM
    26 min ago

    The spaceship Earth is in mortal danger. Foxtrot Delta Tango. I say again, Foxtrot Delta Tango.

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