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BumRushDaShow

(150,075 posts)
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:44 PM Yesterday

'We're All Dead': GOP Senator Reacts To Trump Tariffs

Source: Huff Post

Apr 3, 2025, 02:55 PM EDT


Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) wasn’t concerned enough about President Donald Trump’s steep international tariffs to vote against them Wednesday — like some of his GOP colleagues — but did scold staunch supporters of the policy with a dire warning to multiple outlets. “In the long run, we’re all dead,” he told CNN’s Manu Raju on Capitol Hill for “The Lead with Jake Tapper” on Wednesday. “Short run matters, too. Nobody knows what the impact of these tariffs is going to be on the economy.”

Trump dubbed April 2 “Liberation Day” and announced a sweeping 10% baseline tariff on all imports to the U.S., with levies on dozens of countries set even higher. He repeated his false claim Wednesday that foreign nations, rather than Americans, will shoulder the costs.

Only four Republican senators Wednesday — Rand Paul (Ky.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and Susan Collins (Maine) — joined Democrats in voting against the emergency powers Trump is using to impose a 25% tariff against Canada. Kennedy did not, but reiterated his concerns in a Newsmax interview later that day.

“What the president is saying is, if you want to sell stuff to Americans, move your business to America and hire Americans and contribute to our economy, don’t just sell stuff,” he told anchor Rob Schmitt. “In the long run, he’s right. But in the long run, we’re all dead.”

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-kennedy-reacts-to-donald-trump-tariffs_n_67eea442e4b092af721e0beb



These dumbasses think that a manufacturing plant can "instantly" appear in a few months or a year. It may take them a year or two just to plan/design something like that, then start costing it out and getting the contracts together. So you are looking maybe 3 - 5 years if you are lucky.

And this -

“What the president is saying is, if you want to sell stuff to Americans, move your business to America and hire Americans and contribute to our economy, don’t just sell stuff,”


That's NOT in any part of the GOP business mantra that emphasizes "free trade". You people brainwashed everyone into demanding and implementing "free trade", and people warned you about all the "outsourcing" and "offshoring", but you people ignored that because "cheap labor" enhanced the "bottom line" (and profits).
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'We're All Dead': GOP Senator Reacts To Trump Tariffs (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Yesterday OP
This is all on you and your fucking republican party. You will be fine Autumn Yesterday #1
Manufacturers don't pay the tariffs. Why would they Phoenix61 Yesterday #2
Yep, they're going to play the wait-until-he's-gone card. LudwigPastorius 21 hrs ago #22
Also these variables: no_hypocrisy Yesterday #3
Excellent points DaBronx 20 hrs ago #28
That Kennedy is a true malignant idiot! ananda Yesterday #4
I had the same reaction DaBronx 20 hrs ago #29
I'm hoping for a massive asteroid impact more than ever now. Basso8vb Yesterday #5
Here you go DaBronx 20 hrs ago #31
Yeah! They need to grow their coffee and bananas right here in good ol' Amurika! Kablooie Yesterday #6
Yeah! Plenty of good farmland up in N Dakota. Norrrm Yesterday #9
Tariffs on Madagascar BidenRocks Yesterday #10
Cornpone Kennedy Beachnutt Yesterday #7
We used to have a selection of products to buy. BidenRocks Yesterday #8
I wish he meant what I thought he meant when I read the headline, but no mahina Yesterday #11
You own it Kennedy. travelingthrulife 23 hrs ago #12
Just being dead is to damn easy on them. republianmushroom 23 hrs ago #13
Hey Jonnie can you recall what happened in the impeachment hearings............... turbinetree 23 hrs ago #14
I wonder how they felt EndlessWire 23 hrs ago #15
Foghorn Leghorn has more credibility. dchill 22 hrs ago #16
This is "Pandemic" economics all over again. It's the same schtick without killing a million people... yet n/t Cheezoholic 22 hrs ago #17
"Nobody knows what the impact of these tariffs is going to be on the economy." He is either 1. extremely stupid or 2. a retread 22 hrs ago #18
alarming thought: if he gets his way, the dollar may no longer be the world reserve currency paulkienitz 22 hrs ago #19
Yup, Agent Krasnov's very dangerous gamble zorbasd 28 min ago #51
No one seems to remember why Dr. T 21 hrs ago #20
But some companies will say they are moving manufacturing back thought crime 21 hrs ago #26
General Electric was one of the first multi-national corporations to do it FakeNoose 6 hrs ago #40
GE was the inspiration for my post. Dr. T 5 hrs ago #41
GE shut down their lightbulb plant and laid everyone off, early 1970s FakeNoose 47 min ago #50
Ronald Reagan was a total free trader Mblaze 21 hrs ago #21
There are actually 8.6 million jobs openings that remain open due to... Justice matters. 21 hrs ago #23
Not to worry... BurnDoubt 21 hrs ago #24
This is an egregiously bad headline since he's quoting Keynes' criticism of overusing long term models in policymaking mathematic 21 hrs ago #25
I wish. Include Don Old McKinley and it Hassler 20 hrs ago #27
Remember Foxconn ? Inkey 20 hrs ago #30
It's always a shame when they speak metaphorically Orrex 20 hrs ago #32
if globalisation is the "Cat", and de-globalization is the "Bag"... Layzeebeaver 16 hrs ago #33
Oh, so NOW they notice the face eating leopards sakabatou 16 hrs ago #34
In both the long and short terms, Sen. John Kennedy remains a clueless shithead. (nt) Paladin 11 hrs ago #35
He is a real MF. Not stupid but plays the part. MF twodogsbarking 10 hrs ago #36
From John's lips to god's ears. AllyCat 10 hrs ago #37
'We're All Dead': azureblue 10 hrs ago #38
"Nobody knows...". Shouldn't you have to know that before acting? Grins 7 hrs ago #39
I'm all for that asshat Kennedy dying.....make it soon please Bengus81 5 hrs ago #42
Which one? Crowman2009 2 hrs ago #43
Well, it is possible to set up manufacturing plants quickly in some cases Bluetus 2 hrs ago #44
We have what happened during his first term as an example BumRushDaShow 1 hr ago #46
All the CHIPS Act investments are at risk for the same reason Bluetus 4 min ago #52
"Of course, Trump wants these companies to come to him and give his a few million bucks" BumRushDaShow 2 min ago #53
Five Years Is Optimistic ProfessorGAC 1 hr ago #45
And that might be with skipping "enviornmental impact" studies BumRushDaShow 1 hr ago #47
Good Point ProfessorGAC 1 hr ago #48
I hadn't seen any mention of impact studies BumRushDaShow 54 min ago #49

Autumn

(47,627 posts)
1. This is all on you and your fucking republican party. You will be fine
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:53 PM
Yesterday

you wothless piece of shit. The people and this piece of shit country won't be

Fuck off and die.

LudwigPastorius

(12,046 posts)
22. Yep, they're going to play the wait-until-he's-gone card.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:42 PM
21 hrs ago

That way, they won't have to eat an enormous capital outlay in four years.

no_hypocrisy

(50,963 posts)
3. Also these variables:
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:00 PM
Yesterday

1. Banks may not want to take on the risk of loaning money for a proposition of building a new factory in the U.S. when tariffs are likely to be gone in four years.

2. The shareholders may want to sell their holdings because they would not necessarily approve of the corporation(s) taking on such an endeavor, especially a risky venture.

ananda

(31,435 posts)
4. That Kennedy is a true malignant idiot!
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:01 PM
Yesterday

Nobody knows... really?

Anyone with half a brain knows tariffs are economy killers,
which ultimately of course also kills people.

Norrrm

(1,032 posts)
9. Yeah! Plenty of good farmland up in N Dakota.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:21 PM
Yesterday

Won't need Trump's socialist payments, either.

BidenRocks

(1,265 posts)
8. We used to have a selection of products to buy.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:20 PM
Yesterday

Now it will be single source Made in America expensive.
Fuck you. I will do without!
Fuck you Lee Greenwood!
I an NOT proud to be an American.

turbinetree

(25,974 posts)
14. Hey Jonnie can you recall what happened in the impeachment hearings...............
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:04 PM
23 hrs ago

maybe you should start there..............dumb 💩........and look around at the votes or better yet go look them up in the records......

EndlessWire

(7,666 posts)
15. I wonder how they felt
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:21 PM
23 hrs ago

about being scolded for supporting the tariffs by a guy who voted to support the tariffs?

Cheezoholic

(2,843 posts)
17. This is "Pandemic" economics all over again. It's the same schtick without killing a million people... yet n/t
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:51 PM
22 hrs ago

retread

(3,839 posts)
18. "Nobody knows what the impact of these tariffs is going to be on the economy." He is either 1. extremely stupid or 2. a
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:26 PM
22 hrs ago

baldfaced liar or 3. both. Empirical evidence points to number 3.

paulkienitz

(1,398 posts)
19. alarming thought: if he gets his way, the dollar may no longer be the world reserve currency
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:29 PM
22 hrs ago

I'm no expert, but it's my understanding that the dollar can only hold its position of privilege as the world reserve currency in circumstances where we run a substantial trade deficit -- that is, we import goods and export dollars. That deal is an amazing privilege to be offered -- we literally get manufactured goods for nothing, just by printing extra currency for the purpose... but the whole point of tariffs is, as Senator Kennedy points out, to force manufacturing to move back here so we don't import stuff anymore. If they succeed, I suspect that the reserve currency role of the dollar will not be sustainable, and eventually it will come down to a contest between the Euro and the Yuan (CNY) to take over that role. That means that America will be poorer unless it can start competing as an exporter, in a world where every developing country is trying to compete as an exporter.

zorbasd

(369 posts)
51. Yup, Agent Krasnov's very dangerous gamble
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 08:06 PM
28 min ago

Is to hope many nations will come grovel for a tariff cutout deal, exactly like Vietnam did. He views this as a win, win, even though nothing will be gained for the US, nothing, just the perception that Krasnov is an all tough, genious negotiator. But if nations stick together in unison, just tired of Trump insanity, demand that the dollar be decoupled as the world's currency reserve, and succed, then the US will be cooked for good.

Dr. T

(169 posts)
20. No one seems to remember why
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:42 PM
21 hrs ago

nearly all U.S. manufacturing moved off-shore in the first place.

It started in the 80's. Large companies called them LCC's, low cost countries. They were able to cut manufacturing costs by moving to these LCC's, but the price of their products remained the same. The companies pocketed the difference, making their shareholders very happy.

The Orange Idiot cannot put the genie back in the bottle with his tariffs. None of them will be moving their manufacturing operations back to the U.S.

thought crime

(59 posts)
26. But some companies will say they are moving manufacturing back
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:28 PM
21 hrs ago

with no real intention to do so. But that's all trump needs.

FakeNoose

(37,068 posts)
40. General Electric was one of the first multi-national corporations to do it
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:08 PM
6 hrs ago

When the American manufacturers all saw how GE was cleaning up profits on CHEAP-O foreign labor, they all followed suit.
Plus Uncle Sam gave them big tax breaks for off-shoring.

Dr. T

(169 posts)
41. GE was the inspiration for my post.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:55 PM
5 hrs ago

I worked at GE Medical Systems from the early 80's until the mid-2000's. I saw it unfold from a ringside seat.

After they laid me off, I went to work at a local healthcare system, servicing the equipment I once helped produce. I ended up costing GE more in service contracts than what they were paying me when I worked on the manufacturing floor.

FakeNoose

(37,068 posts)
50. GE shut down their lightbulb plant and laid everyone off, early 1970s
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:47 PM
47 min ago

I think it was in Syracuse NY. Built a new lightbulb plant in Mexico with cheap non-union labor. Their manufacturing costs went from $.25 per lightbulb to $.05 apiece. Do you think GE ever lowered their retail price for lightbulbs? Oh hell no! They just pocketed all the extra profit and paid it out to the shareholders. (My ex-husband was a financial manager for GE during those years, that's how I knew this stuff.)

Then it was small appliances, then televisions and other electronics, etc. etc. Plants were closed all over upstate New York and New England, moved to Asia, Central America and elsewhere. So many American jobs were lost! You actually landed on your feet and retained your career, but it didn't work that way for most of their former employees.

Mblaze

(512 posts)
21. Ronald Reagan was a total free trader
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:42 PM
21 hrs ago

The Heritage Foundation labeled NAFTA "Ronald Reagan's Dream" and Republicans were behind him and pushed it hard. Now they run away from it and blame the Dems. Today, they allow Trump to lie about and renege upon the trade agreement that was negotiated by him and signed in his own ECG scrawl. They parrot Trump's lies and still blame the Dems.

Do Republicans even know their history or are they all hopelessly sucked up into the Trump bizzaro-world vortex?

Justice matters.

(8,234 posts)
23. There are actually 8.6 million jobs openings that remain open due to...
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:54 PM
21 hrs ago

a big shortage of qualified workers to occupy these positions.

There are only 6.8 million unemployed and approximately 10,000 Boomers leave their job to transition into retirement each and every new day.

Among the actual 6.8 million unemployed, a sh*t ton of them are literally illiterate and are very bad at counting numbers (a LOT of them are stupid magats who keep whining about everything but still watch faux noise and newsmin). There are next to zero chance they will ever be successfully trained on the job to occupy any of these high-education levels required to occupy these jobs, new or existing).

For factories to spruce up in 5 to 10 years, where are they going to find the workforce they'll need when the dump maladministration clamps down on immigration from non-white dominant countries??

BurnDoubt

(210 posts)
24. Not to worry...
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:16 PM
21 hrs ago

Edolph is going to chip all the workforce and their brains will default to Edolph's code and everything will be just Peachy! Good thing we killed the Dept of Education... massive savings!!! Even children will be able to make their contribution to the Greatification when we don't have to teach them anything, and controlling their thoughts will lead to a much more docile and productive population. Not to worry. It's been taken care of. You're Welcome!!!

mathematic

(1,556 posts)
25. This is an egregiously bad headline since he's quoting Keynes' criticism of overusing long term models in policymaking
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:25 PM
21 hrs ago

Also, it wasn't Republicans that "brainwashed" anybody about free trade. If anyone, it was David Ricardo when he described comparative advantage over 200 years ago. Unfortunately, this was a few decades after the American Revolution and so Americans, who learn American colonial history every year for a decade when they're children, end up thinking that what the British did in the 1700s is how you're supposed to organize a national economy.

Layzeebeaver

(1,919 posts)
33. if globalisation is the "Cat", and de-globalization is the "Bag"...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 03:40 AM
16 hrs ago

Then the cat has already gotten out of and eaten the bag. There is no going back.

Free movement of capital and restricted movement of people if the ultimate goal.

Keep low cost labour in it's place of birth. Let the capital roam free in the hand of the ultra-rich.

Grins

(8,179 posts)
39. "Nobody knows...". Shouldn't you have to know that before acting?
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:39 PM
7 hrs ago

Imagine a CEO saying that to shareholders over a major investment.

Bluetus

(878 posts)
44. Well, it is possible to set up manufacturing plants quickly in some cases
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 06:15 PM
2 hrs ago
These dumbasses think that a manufacturing plant can "instantly" appear in a few months or a year.


That's not the big problem. The big problem is that if a company is investing literally billions of dollars, they want to be damn sure they will have a market for their product and that the rules won't change for at least 10-20 years.

Here are a couple of examples:

Hyundai/Kia made a huge investment in Georgia. They already had ICE manufacturing there, but when the Inflation Reduction Act suddenly cut them off from importing EVs (which previously received $7500 tax credit), they bit the bullet and committed to large-scale EV production in GA. And that meant they basically ate the lost $7500 credit for about a year. They are continuing with some of their EV plans, but the new rules make it unclear if these vehicles will get hit with a tariff on the foreign content. Previously they had a very aggressive EV introduction plan involving many new models over the next 24 months. It looks like they are stopping most of that to see what happens. They will sell those vehicles in Europe instead. That means we will probably see substantial layoffs in GA.

Stellantis organized its production of Chrysler, Jeeps and Ram around the USMCA, which Trump negotiated. That meant some of their production was in Canada and Mexico. But those Canadian and Mexican plants use transmissions, engines, and other components made in the USA. Now with the tariffs, they are completely screwed, so they just laid off 900 workers in Indiana who made transmissions that will now probably be subject to Canadian tariffs when they are sent to Windsor, and then the finished product will be hit with Trump's tariffs when the Windsor product is shipped to the US for retail. They played by the rules and got screwed.

THIS is why it will take a long time to see any real change in manufacturing. Nobody can possibly trust Trump. PM Macron yesterday said the French will make no more investments in the US and he encouraged the other EU countries to do the same.

BumRushDaShow

(150,075 posts)
46. We have what happened during his first term as an example
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:31 PM
1 hr ago

where they often gave up. I.e., Foxconn in Wisconsin.

From last year -



The car companies have had a better time at it as they have been at it for a longer time.

Alternately, TMSC has a plant planned almost 5 years ago ahead of the CHIPS & Science Act, that is due to open this year in AZ - The U.S. Will Start Manufacturing Advanced Chips

And even with that, there have been plenty of issues and other hiccups.

Bluetus

(878 posts)
52. All the CHIPS Act investments are at risk for the same reason
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 08:30 PM
4 min ago

Capitalism runs on private investment. Private investment runs on risk-reward. When you have a madman capriciously changing the rules every day, completely unconstitutionally with no basis in legislation and no involvement at all from Congress, the risks are increased exponentially.

Intel has pushed off their famous new plant under the CHIPS act to beyond 2030, and I seriously doubt that they will make any significant moves as long as Trump is calling the shots.

Of course, Trump wants these companies to come to him and give his a few million bucks of tribute to free up the money and not put any other barriers in their way. But this may be a case where companies like Intel may see no reason to do anything at this stage.

BumRushDaShow

(150,075 posts)
53. "Of course, Trump wants these companies to come to him and give his a few million bucks"
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 08:32 PM
2 min ago

And THAT is the bottom line that will be in effect for this entire administration for ANYTHING.

ProfessorGAC

(72,172 posts)
45. Five Years Is Optimistic
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 06:57 PM
1 hr ago

It could take a year to find the land. A year to design. A year or 2 to build.
A year or 2 to populate the workforce.
5 years seems like a good, but best case, scenario.

BumRushDaShow

(150,075 posts)
47. And that might be with skipping "enviornmental impact" studies
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:32 PM
1 hr ago

(since this administration doesn't care about the "environment" )

BumRushDaShow

(150,075 posts)
49. I hadn't seen any mention of impact studies
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:40 PM
54 min ago

and I know that is probably one of the hardest things to do with something like this (e.g., how they would handle any waste disposal and if anything can get into nearby rivers/creeks and/or underground water basins, etc).

And thanks! I knew I was getting close but then blew past it.

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