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highplainsdem

(55,167 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:43 PM Mar 27

Trump demands control of Ukraine's minerals and oil

Source: The Times

President Trump has demanded Ukraine forfeit control of its minerals, oil and gas as the price for continued US support.

A draft deal suggests the US president has hardened his demands as he seeks to extract a greater share of Ukraine’s mineral wealth in exchange for American weapons.

Ukrainian officials baulked at the revised deal, with one saying it amounted to “robbery”.

The deal, first reported by the Financial Times, proposes transferring all of Ukraine’s mineral resources, including oil and gas, as well as major Ukrainian energy infrastructure into a joint investment fund. The income would be split between the US and Ukraine. The US would appoint three of the five board members, giving the White House overall control of the fund.

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Read more: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/ukraine-war-russia-uk-trump-ceasefire-sanctions-r87mvgj7x



Much more at the link.

What Trump is proposing is outrageous.
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Trump demands control of Ukraine's minerals and oil (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 27 OP
If Trump takes the entire Ukrainian wealth, what do they have left? Irish_Dem Mar 27 #1
He doesn't care. Just as he doesn't care about finding the Ukrainian children kidnapped by Russia. highplainsdem Mar 27 #13
Putin invaded their land, Trump takes all their wealth. Irish_Dem Mar 27 #14
Trump is just the broker for Putin. The big plan is Bluetus Mar 27 #24
Yes I agree totally. Irish_Dem Mar 27 #25
And this is why we have Trump Bluetus Friday #42
Putin would definitely get a cut of this deal Diraven Mar 27 #27
It's the origin story of Orwell's Oceania (the U.S.), Aristus Mar 27 #32
Peple conrinue to be puzzled with Trump's fixation on Greenland and Panama Bluetus Friday #43
It's extortion. n/t xocetaceans Mar 27 #2
"I just want to wet my beak a little." -- Don Fanucci, extorting money from the young Vito Corleone. mpcamb Friday #41
Robber Baron / John Baron C_U_L8R Mar 27 #3
Rapist Barron. dchill Mar 27 #16
We've become a zero-sum, enigmania Mar 27 #20
Trump has been telegraphing this shit for years EarlG Mar 27 #4
I remember that. It was grotesque then, and even more so now when Ukraine will need all its resources highplainsdem Mar 27 #12
F U, drumphf! Slava Ukraini! 🌻🇺🇦🌻 electric_blue68 Mar 27 #5
Please god take this miserable bastards bluestarone Mar 27 #6
It is possible that Ukraine could leverage an advantangous deal BUT they must decide, not Trump. dutch777 Mar 27 #7
It's a lie we sent 350 billion in aid, it was 150. The EU alone sent around 225 billion alone PortTack Mar 27 #34
Carpetbagger scum no_hypocrisy Mar 27 #8
I really hope Ukraine tells him to F*ck off. sinkingfeeling Mar 27 #9
He's not a president, RazorbackExpat Mar 27 #10
He really does want blue-wave Mar 27 #11
A double invasion: Putin takes their land, Trump takes all their wealth. Irish_Dem Mar 27 #15
He' s much worse than the first time around. Now hes Figarosmom Mar 27 #17
The art of the steal... dlk Mar 27 #18
What's Europe saying about this latest trump extortion plan? IcyPeas Mar 27 #19
orange buffoon screwed Africa and any cooperation when they pulled out of USAID. PortTack Mar 27 #31
Don't agree to this President Zelenskyy. European countries iluvtennis Mar 27 #21
So when Ukraine rebuilds after Trump's buddy invaded and bombed them Mblaze Mar 27 #22
Dear Supreme Court... Hope22 Mar 27 #23
When does he start moving south and take over South American countries? NoMoreRepugs Mar 27 #26
Because all those countries are full of brown people. Ray Bruns Friday #40
There is no reason for Ukraine to take this deal Diraven Mar 27 #28
FUCK Trump!! aeromanKC Mar 27 #29
STFU...Ukraine is quickly becoming well healed with the EU and other countries stepping up. PortTack Mar 27 #30
This is what a thirty-four times-convicted felon is doing instead of serving time. Aristus Mar 27 #33
Susan Collins believed it. "I think he has learned his lesson" after the GOP refused to travelingthrulife Friday #44
Complete and total bastard Bayard Mar 27 #35
Naked imperialism, done in the style of a Mafia takeover. Eugene Friday #36
What does trump have? Another 5-8 years of life? Why is he so fucking greedy! C Moon Friday #37
Would someone point out that we don't moniss Friday #38
I can guarantee that the 3 board members moniss Friday #39
THE ART OF A STEAL Donman Friday #45

Irish_Dem

(67,248 posts)
1. If Trump takes the entire Ukrainian wealth, what do they have left?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:51 PM
Mar 27

What kind of future do they have?

highplainsdem

(55,167 posts)
13. He doesn't care. Just as he doesn't care about finding the Ukrainian children kidnapped by Russia.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:15 PM
Mar 27

Bluetus

(874 posts)
24. Trump is just the broker for Putin. The big plan is
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:56 PM
Mar 27

A world with three power centers.

Putin controls all of Russia and Europe
Xi controls Southern Asia and Africa
Trump controls the Americas (which of course includes Greenland.)

Not clear what they do with the Middle East because MBS, Netanyahu, and Iran won't easily agree to anything.

But make no mistake. That is what this is all about. Literally a new world order.

Irish_Dem

(67,248 posts)
25. Yes I agree totally.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:05 PM
Mar 27

I have beeb saying this for over a year.
People gave me a hard time and didn't believe it.

But here we are.

While Americans obsess about the price of eggs, the entire world power center shifted.

Bluetus

(874 posts)
42. And this is why we have Trump
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:27 AM
Friday

"People gave me a hard time and didn't believe it. "

Even today, after everything we have seen, these pages (and basically everywhere else) still talk about Trump as if he is stupid and his stupidity will catch up with him.

His is not stupid. He is narcissistic, even sociopathic, amoral, vulgar, selfish, criminal, deceitful, just plain evil. But he is not stupid. We (collectively) are the stupid ones for not facing up to him at the hundreds of opportunities when he might have been stopped.

Diraven

(1,335 posts)
27. Putin would definitely get a cut of this deal
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:19 PM
Mar 27

Under the table. If it actually happened. Which it won't because it's even worse than the first deal that Ukraine rejected.

Aristus

(69,530 posts)
32. It's the origin story of Orwell's Oceania (the U.S.),
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:49 PM
Mar 27

Eurasia (Russia), and Eastasia (China).

We’re fucked if we don’t do anything about it.

Bluetus

(874 posts)
43. Peple conrinue to be puzzled with Trump's fixation on Greenland and Panama
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:33 AM
Friday

Greenland is a large land mass in the hemisphere that Trump believes should belong to the Trump gang.

And when the Trump gang controls all of the Americas, Panama is a very important "toll bridge".

This is how Trump thinks. He isn't stupid, but he is a simple thinker, never encumbered with complexities of the real world. And that strategic ignorance usually gets him what he wants because everybody underestimates his audacity until it is too late.

We can see 100 posts a day here doing exactly that. I would name some of them, but then I'd get targeted by the flag squad.

mpcamb

(3,046 posts)
41. "I just want to wet my beak a little." -- Don Fanucci, extorting money from the young Vito Corleone.
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 08:18 AM
Friday

C_U_L8R

(46,920 posts)
3. Robber Baron / John Baron
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:54 PM
Mar 27

Our system has been infested with private equity schnooks who only take and take. I'm ashamed of our country.

EarlG

(22,814 posts)
4. Trump has been telegraphing this shit for years
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:56 PM
Mar 27

Remember how his only problem with the invasion of Iraq was that we didn't steal all their oil...

Trump Twice Floated Plundering Iraq’s Oil to Iraq’s Prime Minister

Donald Trump has long been obsessed with the idea of seizing Iraq’s oil as some kind of reimbursement for the money the U.S. has spent waging war in the Middle East. “I still can’t believe we left Iraq without the oil,” he tweeted in 2013. “It used to be, ‘To the victor belong the spoils,’” he told Matt Lauer during a campaign forum in 2016. “Now, there was no victor there, believe me. There was no victor. But I always said: take the oil.” The notion of looting Iraq’s natural resources—or as Trump explained the process to Lauer, “we would leave a certain group behind and you would take various sections where they have the oil”—was always certifiably crazy. But as with many of the ideas espoused by Trump while he was running for president, few believed he would actually try to make good on the talking point once he moved into the Oval Office.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/trump-iraq-oil?

highplainsdem

(55,167 posts)
12. I remember that. It was grotesque then, and even more so now when Ukraine will need all its resources
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:11 PM
Mar 27

to rebuild.

Trump is a rapacious monster.

dutch777

(4,182 posts)
7. It is possible that Ukraine could leverage an advantangous deal BUT they must decide, not Trump.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:00 PM
Mar 27

Trump will prioritize "the Deal" over any long term analysis of how good that leaves anyone and certainly Ukraine and the EU are not in the ranking of priorities so I hope (and suspect) they realize this. If, and I doubt this is true, the EU could give Ukraine the same or better military, intelligence and economic assistance than the US, clearly it would be in the better interests of both to make a similar deal around resources and reciprocity. Certainly Trump, and now by reality, the US is not the best long term partner here.

PortTack

(35,461 posts)
34. It's a lie we sent 350 billion in aid, it was 150. The EU alone sent around 225 billion alone
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:53 PM
Mar 27

the EU the UK, Japan, Australia and other countries have already increased military spending and aid to Ukraine. American intelligence and aid is quickly becoming unnecessary

blue-wave

(4,555 posts)
11. He really does want
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:09 PM
Mar 27

the U.S. to be isolated. If these demands on our allies continue we won't have a friend left in the world. In this instance though, his demands are especially egregious with Ukraine fighting a war of national survival.

Figarosmom

(5,042 posts)
17. He' s much worse than the first time around. Now hes
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:06 PM
Mar 27

Extorting in full view. He knows no one will stop him.

We can't take 4 years of this much less 1. I'm sorry to say this won't be over in 4 years.

IcyPeas

(23,408 posts)
19. What's Europe saying about this latest trump extortion plan?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:11 PM
Mar 27

After hearing JD Vance et al. calling Europeans freeloaders and balking at bailing them out again they see that this administration is anti-europe. I hope they collectively tell trump to go to hell.

He wants greenlands natural resources too.

Is he going after Africa for their minerals too? Yet?

I.hate.trump.

PortTack

(35,461 posts)
31. orange buffoon screwed Africa and any cooperation when they pulled out of USAID.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:43 PM
Mar 27

And guess who’s stepped up and said we’d be happy to help…China

Mblaze

(512 posts)
22. So when Ukraine rebuilds after Trump's buddy invaded and bombed them
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:51 PM
Mar 27

Trump wants to take their revenue sources as payment for Biden helping them protect democracy.

The Art of the Steal.

Diraven

(1,335 posts)
28. There is no reason for Ukraine to take this deal
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:21 PM
Mar 27

Especially as Europe is starting to step up with more support and with no extortion attached.

PortTack

(35,461 posts)
30. STFU...Ukraine is quickly becoming well healed with the EU and other countries stepping up.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:40 PM
Mar 27

President Zelensky will never go for that. Just like the nonsense in the last deal, he essentially told the orange buffoon “I will not bind the next ten generations of Ukrainians to such a debt.”

Aristus

(69,530 posts)
33. This is what a thirty-four times-convicted felon is doing instead of serving time.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:52 PM
Mar 27

Is anyone truly supposed to believe that he would straighten up and fly right if we didn’t send him to prison?

travelingthrulife

(1,953 posts)
44. Susan Collins believed it. "I think he has learned his lesson" after the GOP refused to
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 10:26 AM
Friday

convict him at impeachment.

Bayard

(24,635 posts)
35. Complete and total bastard
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:56 PM
Mar 27

I don't even know what else to say anymore. It gets worse everyday.

moniss

(6,887 posts)
38. Would someone point out that we don't
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 04:08 AM
Friday

demand anything at all from Israel or South Korea etc. for our continued supply of weapons etc. The revenge of Crumb The 1st all because they wouldn't phony up dirt on Joe Biden. What a pathetic and tiny, tiny man.

Donman

(9 posts)
45. THE ART OF A STEAL
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 10:49 AM
Friday

Trump makes me ashamed to be an American. One thing is certain, Trump and his cabal of minions have destroyed the benevolence of our people. For all of our country's bad behavior, we used to care about others, especially allies. Ukraine should have kept their nukes. Sad to say.

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