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littlemissmartypants

(30,721 posts)
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 09:55 PM Nov 2023

Henry Kissinger, American diplomat and Nobel winner, dead at 100 Reuters

Source: Reuters

Nov 29 (Reuters) - Former United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger died on Wednesday at his home in Connecticut at the age of 100, Kissinger Associates, Inc said in a statement.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/henry-kissinger-american-diplomat-nobel-winner-dead-100-2023-11-30/



From the updated article at the link...
Nov 29 (Reuters) - Henry Kissinger, a controversial Nobel Peace Prize winner and diplomatic powerhouse whose service under two presidents left an indelible mark on U.S. foreign policy, died on Wednesday, according to Kissinger Associates Inc.

Kissinger died at his home in Connecticut, Kissinger Associates said.

Kissinger had been active past his centenary, attending meetings in the White House, publishing a book on leadership styles, and testifying before a Senate committee about the nuclear threat posed by North Korea. In July 2023 he made a surprise visit to Beijing to meet Chinese President Xi Jinping.

In the 1970s, he had a hand in many of the epoch-changing global events of the decade while serving as secretary of state under Republican President Richard Nixon. The German-born Jewish refugee's efforts led to the diplomatic opening of China, landmark U.S.-Soviet arms control talks, expanded ties between Israel and its Arab neighbors, and the Paris Peace Accords with North Vietnam.

Much more at the link.
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Henry Kissinger, American diplomat and Nobel winner, dead at 100 Reuters (Original Post) littlemissmartypants Nov 2023 OP
WOW!!! elleng Nov 2023 #1
elleng.......... Upthevibe Nov 2023 #38
Liquor stores are about to experience a champagne run. NYC Liberal Nov 2023 #2
Pssst! MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #25
paraphrasing Mark Twain... mike_c Nov 2023 #3
What He Said!!! The Roux Comes First Nov 2023 #43
Twain, again. wcollar Nov 2023 #64
FINALLY !! dweller Nov 2023 #4
+1000 roamer65 Nov 2023 #42
I am so stealing that Ray Bruns Nov 2023 #63
My favorite Kissinger anecdote no_hypocrisy Nov 2023 #5
I love Al Franken. Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #14
Those skits with Dan Ackroyd as Nixon and Belushi as Kissinger...LOL LeftInTX Nov 2023 #15
Good riddance. Dave Bowman Nov 2023 #6
THIS ☝️ InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2023 #29
I'll sleep a little better tonight The Blue Flower Nov 2023 #7
Good riddance to the person who - along with "Dick" Nixon tied our economy to oil Caribbeans Nov 2023 #8
Good riddance to bad rubbish PghTiny Nov 2023 #9
Only the good die young Freddie Nov 2023 #10
Actually glad it is not true Lithos Nov 2023 #44
True Freddie Nov 2023 #61
I forgot about that Lithos Nov 2023 #65
HOORAY! Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #11
No Paywall - WaPo - In Depth LeftInTX Nov 2023 #12
Well.... bye. yardwork Nov 2023 #12
Wish he would have taken Drump with him SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #16
Paradise is Henry Kissinger heading off to hell with Trump tucked under one arm and Gregg Abbott tucked under the other. Comfortably_Numb Nov 2023 #17
You win the internet today! FakeNoose Nov 2023 #39
Managed to outlive lots and lots of actual decent and useful human beings. nt Carlitos Brigante Nov 2023 #18
It's easy to outlive millions when you're the one killing them. dem4decades Nov 2023 #33
Rolling Stone got the headline correct hibbing Nov 2023 #19
Nice. progressoid Nov 2023 #21
Yep MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #26
Bravo! dpibel Nov 2023 #28
Our friends over at Lawyers, Guns, and Money were not kind to Kissinger AverageOldGuy Nov 2023 #53
Exactly! burrowowl Nov 2023 #59
WOW and here I thought thr devil had granted him eternal life.. nt Raine Nov 2023 #20
Ding Dong, the ... is dead. nt needed TeamProg Nov 2023 #22
The queen is dead WVreaper Nov 2023 #35
He doesn't belong to the ages now. LudwigPastorius Nov 2023 #23
Jimmy wins! Rastapopoulos Nov 2023 #24
To borrow a line from the movie Giant rpannier Nov 2023 #27
Fuck yeah utopian Nov 2023 #30
Finally beyond the reach of the Hague. marble falls Nov 2023 #31
The good die young DBoon Nov 2023 #32
So Long you evil bastard montanacowboy Nov 2023 #34
Rot in hell, motherfucker Wild blueberry Nov 2023 #36
So long, war monger! From The Ashes Nov 2023 #37
Finally IronLionZion Nov 2023 #40
Hopefully they hide his grave site angrychair Nov 2023 #41
one more grave to dance on ZonkerHarris Nov 2023 #45
Best news of the last 6 months!!!!! BigmanPigman Nov 2023 #46
--- somethin', somethin, .... you're only suppose't say somethin' good about someone 3Hotdogs Nov 2023 #47
His "Associates" were a nasty bunch as well DFW Nov 2023 #48
Maybe this good account can finally leave twitter blogslug Nov 2023 #49
Ding dong the witch is dead..the wicked witch is dead!! PortTack Nov 2023 #50
Rolling Stone got it right. No bullshit. "Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Beloved by America's Ruling Class, Finally Dies usonian Nov 2023 #51
Proof . . . AverageOldGuy Nov 2023 #52
Let's hope it's the beginning of a trend of old evil Republicans shuffling off this mortal coil. pecosbob Nov 2023 #54
do not toast the man but i toast his death dembotoz Nov 2023 #55
renenber the great tom lehrer said it best dembotoz Nov 2023 #56
hallelujah. SalamanderSleeps Nov 2023 #57
Nothing to celebrate.... The Grand Illuminist Nov 2023 #58
Usually when people die others respect the dead. Not so in this case. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #60
Blinken praises Kissinger. former9thward Nov 2023 #62
Please tell me there won't be a bunch of glowing eulogies Bayard Nov 2023 #66
Should have happened 80 years ago. Talitha Nov 2023 #67
Fucking war criminal. BigDemVoter Nov 2023 #68
Toodles, and my Kissenger story... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #69

Upthevibe

(9,853 posts)
38. elleng..........
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 11:42 PM
Nov 2023

If what I believe is correct (which is that any harm we caused and any joy we brought we feel 10X to those effected and to how their pain/joy effected others ).

I'd bet his life review is torture about now and well it should be...

mike_c

(36,818 posts)
3. paraphrasing Mark Twain...
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 10:04 PM
Nov 2023

"I don't wish death for anyone, but I read some obituaries with more pleasure than others."

The world is a little less evil than it was yesterday.

no_hypocrisy

(53,622 posts)
5. My favorite Kissinger anecdote
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 10:07 PM
Nov 2023

"One day [shortly after the Vietnam War] Henry Kissinger calls up," Saturday Night Live writer Tom Davis recalled years later, "and the call is picked up at an NBC page's desk. And the page goes, 'Henry Kissinger's on the phone. He wants tickets for his son.' And Al [Franken] grabs the phone and yells into it, 'You know, if it hadn't been for the Christmas bombing in Cambodia, you could've had your f---ing tickets!'" Read More: https://anecdotage.com/anecdotes/al-franken-takes-a-call-from-henry-kissinger

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
11. HOORAY!
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 10:17 PM
Nov 2023

I wish I believed in Hell so I could imagine the motherfucker war criminal roasting and spinning like a grocery store chicken on a spit!



Comfortably_Numb

(4,188 posts)
17. Paradise is Henry Kissinger heading off to hell with Trump tucked under one arm and Gregg Abbott tucked under the other.
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 10:36 PM
Nov 2023

AverageOldGuy

(3,116 posts)
53. Our friends over at Lawyers, Guns, and Money were not kind to Kissinger
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:46 AM
Nov 2023

Over at the Lawyers, Guns, and Money blog, the headline reads:

Kissinger is Dead, Finally Something Good has Happened in 2023


And it gets better from there -- link to their article.

LudwigPastorius

(13,694 posts)
23. He doesn't belong to the ages now.
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 10:54 PM
Nov 2023

He belongs to Cerebus, as his chew toy.

(...or, maybe Satan will use his ass as an ash tray for eternity.)

montanacowboy

(6,618 posts)
34. So Long you evil bastard
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 11:32 PM
Nov 2023

there isn't a piece of paper long enough to enumerate his crimes, let's just start with one
Allende.. Chile

angrychair

(11,344 posts)
41. Hopefully they hide his grave site
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 11:59 PM
Nov 2023

Otherwise his gravestone is going to smell like an old broken urinal in a poorly maintained rest stop.

Oh well.

BigmanPigman

(54,238 posts)
46. Best news of the last 6 months!!!!!
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 12:59 AM
Nov 2023

Fuck you, war criminal!!!!!! I wish you died 50 years ago!!!!!!

I am so glad Jimmy Carter outlived this mother fucking piece of shit!!!

I am going to celebrate like this like it is New Years.

He killed so many indirectly and has gotten away with murder. I hope there is a HELL since that is his home and it is where he came from and should return to. Mother fucking piece of shit.

3Hotdogs

(14,758 posts)
47. --- somethin', somethin, .... you're only suppose't say somethin' good about someone
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 01:02 AM
Nov 2023

when they die.

DFW

(59,251 posts)
48. His "Associates" were a nasty bunch as well
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 01:08 AM
Nov 2023

Many years ago, I was called down to a South American country to meet with several government people. When I got there, some people I knew from the Central Bank told me there had been an unpleasant incident, and the whole thing had been called off. I said, what kind of crap is this? You people ask me to come here from Germany, and now I'm just supposed to turn around and go home? What happened? Well, it turns out that Kissinger Associates had also somehow gotten involved, and had met with the Economics Minister two days before I got there. Kissinger's guy had started ordering the government people around as if they were go-fers, threatening them to do what he wanted "or else." They threw him out, saying what assholes these Americans were, and that they wished nothing further to do with any of us.

The people I knew intervened, and asked the Economics Minister to meet with me and my two colleagues from Dallas for just ten minutes, and he could always throw us out if he thought we were no different. He said OK. We hit it off immediately, and stayed almost an hour. He explained his awful recent experience with Kissinger's guy, and wrongly assumed we'd all be like that. He invited us to stay for a week (we did).

usonian

(22,009 posts)
51. Rolling Stone got it right. No bullshit. "Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Beloved by America's Ruling Class, Finally Dies
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 03:42 AM
Nov 2023

I posted this to the Rolling Stone thread.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218491278

I ran into no paywall, but you might try https://archive.md/2bG7f

Filed under GOOD RIDDANCE
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/henry-kissinger-war-criminal-dead-1234804748/

The infamy of Nixon's foreign-policy architect sits, eternally, beside that of history's worst mass murderers. A deeper shame attaches to the country that celebrates him

BY SPENCER ACKERMAN
NOVEMBER 29, 2023

The Yale University historian Greg Grandin, author of the biography Kissinger’s Shadow, estimates that Kissinger’s actions from 1969 through 1976, a period of eight brief years when Kissinger made Richard Nixon’s and then Gerald Ford’s foreign policy as national security adviser and secretary of state, meant the end of between three and four million people. That includes “crimes of commission,” he explained, as in Cambodia and Chile, and omission, like greenlighting Indonesia’s bloodshed in East Timor; Pakistan’s bloodshed in Bangladesh; and the inauguration of an American tradition of using and then abandoning the Kurds.

...

Nixon ran for president claiming to have a secret plan to end the war. His advisers told Hersh they were deeply afraid that Johnson and Hanoi would reach an accord before the election. It would save lives in Vietnam, American and Vietnamese, but it would undermine Nixon’s hopes of exploiting the explosion in domestic antiwar sentiment. Nixon gratefully took what Kissinger gave him to make the U.S.’ proxy regime in Saigon, whose regime peace would destabilize, more intransigent. No agreement was reached until 1973, and the war ended in American humiliation with Hanoi’s 1975 victory.

“It took some balls to give us those tips,” Richard Allen, a foreign policy researcher on the Nixon campaign, later reflected to Hersh. After all, it was “a pretty dangerous thing for [Kissinger] to be screwing around with the national security.”

Every single person who died in Vietnam between autumn 1968 and the Fall of Saigon — and all who died in Laos and Cambodia, where Nixon and Kissinger secretly expanded the war within months of taking office, as well as all who died in the aftermath, like the Cambodian genocide their destabilization set into motion — died because of Henry Kissinger. We will never know what might have been, the question Kissinger’s apologists, and those in the U.S. foreign policy elite who imagine themselves standing in Kissinger’s shoes, insist upon when explaining away his crimes. We can only know what actually happened. What actually happened was that Kissinger materially sabotaged the only chance for an end to the war in 1968 as a hedged bet to ensure he would achieve power in Nixon’s administration or Humphrey’s. A true tally will probably never be known of everyone who died so Kissinger could be national security adviser.


And that's just the warm-up, folks. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions in Bangladesh, A 17 year reign of terror in Chile, getting even with his critic, Daniel Ellsberg, and of course, Iraq.

And, to accomplish his campaign, he had to silently put up with Nixon talking about “Jewish traitors” in front of him, including “Jews at Harvard.” Kissinger would assure the boss he was one of the good ones.

Opinions above and in the article are those of Rolling Stone.

AverageOldGuy

(3,116 posts)
52. Proof . . .
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:43 AM
Nov 2023

. . . that the moral arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice: Kissinger dead, Jimmy Carter lives.

The Grand Illuminist

(1,938 posts)
58. Nothing to celebrate....
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:04 AM
Nov 2023

as he did his job and did it very well, but nobody had courage to do anything about it.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
62. Blinken praises Kissinger.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 09:55 AM
Nov 2023

“Secretary Kissinger really set the standard for everyone who followed in this job,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Thursday of Kissinger. Blinken added that he had sought counsel from the former diplomatic chief many times, including most recently about a month ago.

“He was extraordinarily generous with his wisdom, with his advice. Few people were better students of history. Even fewer people did more to shape history than Henry Kissinger,” Blinken said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/11/30/henry-kissinger-death-reactions-controversy/

electric_blue68

(24,650 posts)
69. Toodles, and my Kissenger story...
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:49 PM
Nov 2023

You know it's bad when drumphf's hideousness out crowds why you hated Kissinger. My immediate reaction was "Good!" - but why. Der!

Soon as I "bombing of Cambodia" (et al) I was- oh. Yeah... that.

Forgot about Allende, and Bangla Desh (went to the concert - the first time my parents let me stay over night on [a 😄] line for tixs).

Most of all sabatoging the '68 potential Peace Talks! If you've never visited The Wall Monument in DC...
It's beautiful, but deeply tragic. 😔


No, never saw, met him: but his mother lived in one of my old neighborhoods. I don't remember who told me but when he visited there were sharp shooters on the roofs! I only saw two: one on a one story building on my block, and one diagonally across the street on the 6th floor.

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