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BumRushDaShow

(161,259 posts)
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:32 PM Aug 2023

Trump hit with sweeping indictment in alleged effort to overturn 2020 election

Last edited Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:04 PM - Edit history (4)

Source: ABC News

Former President Donald Trump, bent on staying in power, undertook a sweeping "criminal scheme" to overturn the results of the 2020 election, including repeatedly pushing lies about the results despite knowing his claims were false, and doubling down on those falsehoods as the Jan. 6 riot raged, a sweeping federal indictment alleges.

This is the third indictment faced by the former president, who -- as the Republican frontrunner in the 2024 presidential race -- continues to insist that the vote was rigged.

Prosecutors say the alleged scheme, which they say involved six unnamed co-conspirators, included enlisting a slate of so-called "fake electors" targeting several states; using the Justice Department to conduct "sham election crime investigations"; enlisting the vice president to "alter the election results"; and doubling down on false claims as the Jan. 6 riot ensued -- all in an effort to subvert democracy and stay in power.

The six alleged co-conspirators include several attorneys and a Justice Department official. The sweeping indictment, based on the investigation by special counsel Jack Smith, charges Trump with four felony counts: conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-indicted-charges-related-efforts-overturn-2020-election/story?id=101612810



LINK TO INDICTMENT - https://www.scribd.com/document/662462402/Trump-Indictment#

(PDF) - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23893878/trump-dc-indictment.pdf






Article updated.

Previous article/headlines -

Former President Donald Trump -- already facing two indictments -- now faces a third set of charges after a grand jury handed up a wide-ranging indictment against him, alleging he undertook a "criminal scheme" to undermine the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Prosecutors say the alleged scheme, which allegedly involved six unnamed co-conspirators, included enlisting a slate of so-called "fake electors" targeting several states, using the Justice Department to conduct "sham election crime investigations," enlisting the vice president to "alter the election results." and doubling down on false claims as the Jan. 6 riot ensued.

The six alleged co-conspirators include several attorneys and a Justice Department official. The sweeping indictment, based on the investigation by special counsel Jack Smith, charges Trump with four felony counts: conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights.

The indictment alleges that Trump knew that the claims he advanced about the election, specifically in Arizona and Georgia, were false -- yet he repeated them for months. "Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power," the indictment reads. "So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won."



Former President Donald Trump has been indicted on charges related to special counsel Jack Smith's probe into efforts to overturn the 2020 election. The sweeping indictment charges Trump with four counts: conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights.

The alleged conspiracies include enlisting a slate of so-called "fake electors" targeting several states, using the Justice Department to conduct "sham election crime investigations," enlisting the vice president to "alter the election results." and doubling down on false claims as the Jan. 6 riot ensued.

The indictment alleges that Trump knew that the claims he advanced about the election, specifically in Arizona and Georgia, were false -- yet he repeated them for months. There are also six unnamed co-conspirators, including multiple attorneys and a Justice Department official.

"Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power," the indictment reads. "So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won."



Trump indicted on charges related to efforts to overturn 2020 election

Former President Donald Trump has been indicted on charges related to special counsel Jack Smith's probe into efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Trump has been charged with four counts: conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights. There are also six unnamed co-conspirators.

It marks the third time the former president has been indicted on criminal charges, following his indictment last month in the special counsel's probe into his handling of classified materials after leaving office, and his indictment in April on New York state charges of falsifying business records in connection with a hush money payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels.

Trump, who has decried the probes as political witch hunts, pleaded not guilty to all charges in both those cases. In the history of the country, no president or former president had ever been indicted prior to Trump's first indictment in April.



Original article/headline -

Trump indicted on charges related to efforts to overturn 2020 election: Sources

Former President Donald Trump has been indicted on charges related to special counsel Jack Smith's probe into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, sources with direct knowledge tell ABC News.

It marks the third time the former president has been indicted on criminal charges, following his indictment last month in the special counsel's probe into his handling of classified materials after leaving office, and his indictment in April on New York state charges of falsifying business records in connection with a hush money payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels.

Trump, who has decried the probes as political witch hunts, pleaded not guilty to all charges in both those cases. In the history of the country, no president or former president had ever been indicted prior to Trump's first indictment in April.

Trump was informed by Smith on July 16 that he was a target in the election probe, in a letter that sources said mentioned three federal statutes: conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud the United States, deprivation of rights under a civil rights statute, and tampering with a witness, victim or an informant.

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Trump hit with sweeping indictment in alleged effort to overturn 2020 election (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 OP
Fuck yeah Mysterian Aug 2023 #1
YES YES YES YES YES ShazzieB Aug 2023 #2
😄😄😄 Oh, yeah! OMG! electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #77
lol.. Look how far we've come since Cha Aug 2023 #87
YES!! gademocrat7 Aug 2023 #3
May traitortrump never have another peaceful night. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #4
POP THE BUBBLY!! lastlib Aug 2023 #5
I haven't experienced such giddiness and excitement and happiness...... lastlib Aug 2023 #102
Oh, almost to the day?!!! 😄😄😄 Gotta great little resignation story... electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #141
Woohoo!!!!!! BigmanPigman Aug 2023 #6
Pop-fuckin'-corn!!!! rubbersole Aug 2023 #7
Champagne for everyone! Oopsie Daisy Aug 2023 #8
CNN: JUST IN: Donald Trump has been indicted in special counsel's 2020 election interference probe riversedge Aug 2023 #9
Time to break out my indictment whisky! Wild blueberry Aug 2023 #10
YESSSSSSSSS! MontanaMama Aug 2023 #11
PRESIDING DISTRICT JUDGE -- TANYA S CHUTKAN (Obama) ancianita Aug 2023 #12
JACK SMITH'S INDICTMENT DOCUMENT ancianita Aug 2023 #24
Thanks for this! ShazzieB Aug 2023 #79
Welcome! ancianita Aug 2023 #148
Thank you ancianita RussBLib Aug 2023 #116
Welcome, Russ. ancianita Aug 2023 #149
Thank you! Kid Berwyn Aug 2023 #122
Welcome! ancianita Aug 2023 #150
Who are the co-conspirators....the linked article doesn't specify. n/t iluvtennis Aug 2023 #27
A few are mentioned on tv right now. ancianita Aug 2023 #33
OK, turning on MSNBC now. Thank you. n/t iluvtennis Aug 2023 #37
THIS!!☝️ who these traitors are is the million $ question onetexan Aug 2023 #38
Mahalo for Both Posts!! Cha Aug 2023 #90
Here is the judge BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #117
Awesome, thanks! She's well regarded for her notable rulings. Here are a few from wikipedia... ancianita Aug 2023 #119
Oh boy BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #120
AND THIS FACT: Chutkan is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C. who has sentenced Jan. 6 ancianita Aug 2023 #124
And she looks like she BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #129
Her legal background is as a public defender, too Deminpenn Aug 2023 #146
No way out for this goddamn traitor now. Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #13
I just don't get it...... AZ8theist Aug 2023 #14
(at least at the outset) he didn't think he could win speak easy Aug 2023 #60
You've obviously never dealt with a malignant narcissist ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #75
I tell people InstantGratification Aug 2023 #155
Or he had to run for president because Putin told him to do so. Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #61
Oh good grief ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #86
For crying out loud, the "russia, russia, russia" gotta stop BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #96
Are you saying Trump didn't conspire with Russia? AZ8theist Aug 2023 #99
I'm saying Russia has nothing to do with what's going on here BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #101
His "minions".. AZ8theist Aug 2023 #140
Has Jack Smith said that? former9thward Aug 2023 #121
NOBODY has made those charges, and that's the problem. AZ8theist Aug 2023 #123
Dotard MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #132
Yu are right 3auld6phart Aug 2023 #92
Champagne for me, real pain for him!!!! Maeve Aug 2023 #15
Trump in a few minutes..."It was a perfect attempted coup" Bengus81 Aug 2023 #16
YAASS!!! Oh, it's a happy day!!! iluvtennis Aug 2023 #17
. wnylib Aug 2023 #18
May the SOB be convicted on all counts and die in prison. How about the lies during the pandemic? Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #19
Red, red wine BEFORE DINNER...YES! Backseat Driver Aug 2023 #20
YES YES YES!! Playingmantis Aug 2023 #21
6 co-conspiritors Marthe48 Aug 2023 #22
Yes, but unindicted ones Deminpenn Aug 2023 #29
ty for clarifying :) Marthe48 Aug 2023 #32
It is at least possible that the six unindicted co-conspirators are cooperating witnesses. TomSlick Aug 2023 #107
Here are the co-conspirators Deminpenn Aug 2023 #109
We shall see. TomSlick Aug 2023 #112
IMO, they will all be charged in a seperate, subsequent indictment Deminpenn Aug 2023 #145
A real possibility. TomSlick Aug 2023 #160
Do you think Scott Perry could be Deminpenn Aug 2023 #23
Take that, you lying, dictator wannabe POS! lillypaddle Aug 2023 #25
Exactly Roc2020 Aug 2023 #39
Here are the $ counts in the Trump indictment: riversedge Aug 2023 #26
I really hate to ask ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Aug 2023 #159
Keeping my Champaign chilled Mr.Bill Aug 2023 #28
agree...but in the meantime, perhaps a nice glass of wine..... bahboo Aug 2023 #34
This is a wonderful feeling ColinC Aug 2023 #30
He is a stain on the nation. He earned this. Torchlight Aug 2023 #31
Yes he deserves to get Indited Roc2020 Aug 2023 #35
i saw it coming the day barbtries Aug 2023 #76
Hillary was so right she needs an apology Roc2020 Aug 2023 #83
including me. barbtries Aug 2023 #93
Yeah. I saw it when the pro-Orange Nazi shit started showing up in public places (2015). Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #113
None of this surprises me, at all. yardwork Aug 2023 #128
And we can assume that J_William_Ryan Aug 2023 #36
J6 occurred in DC. This should be on DC's federal court's docket onetexan Aug 2023 #43
Let this be the end of him! NoSheep Aug 2023 #40
America's Biggest Loser loses again. What a Chump. Hassler Aug 2023 #41
EAT SHIT, FUCKING TRAITOR! orangecrush Aug 2023 #42
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Novara Aug 2023 #44
It is a shame some GOP members of Congress aren't included. LiberalFighter Aug 2023 #45
Scott Perry, for one Deminpenn Aug 2023 #147
Finally. SergeStorms Aug 2023 #46
If a politician is indicted for a crime Shermann Aug 2023 #95
Today's my BD (for real) so this is the best BD gift i got today!! onetexan Aug 2023 #47
Happy Birthday, Tex! 🥳 SergeStorms Aug 2023 #49
For sure! When he's hauled off to jail that will be the second best day. onetexan Aug 2023 #50
You bet. SergeStorms Aug 2023 #53
Extra Happy Birthday! 😄🎉🎉 electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #88
In deed! Thanks!😁 onetexan Aug 2023 #91
The judge is a Black woman Novara Aug 2023 #48
Appointed by Obama, I believe. SergeStorms Aug 2023 #51
You're right - appointed by Obama Novara Aug 2023 #64
Baaahahahahaaaaaaa! 😄 Sometimes Justice AND (Wonderful) Irony walk hand in hand! electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #84
I think I like that part the best. llmart Aug 2023 #152
And she's been harder on Jan 6 defendants than any other judge Novara Aug 2023 #158
And did she come in on the Mothership? Black, a woman, and an Obama pick. That will burn Trump. Botany Aug 2023 #157
Fani is upset. She can't find a clear day on Donnie's calendar that doesn't Wonder Why Aug 2023 #52
Pile it on. Bury the fucker. Auggie Aug 2023 #54
I lost track of the charges and indictments Marthe48 Aug 2023 #55
I've likewise lost count Orrex Aug 2023 #59
3 indictments, 78 charges (so far) BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #103
Thank you! Marthe48 Aug 2023 #105
Most welcome! BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #106
More, more, more. How do you like it, how do you like it? (more, more, more) Solly Mack Aug 2023 #56
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!N/T Upthevibe Aug 2023 #57
FAFO Botany Aug 2023 #58
Honestly, this is as big a thing as Magna Carta, to limit the power of the sovereign bucolic_frolic Aug 2023 #62
Well said! Marthe48 Aug 2023 #71
Merry Indictment Day Hassler Aug 2023 #63
😄😄👍 go out and get a little tree, or a wreath and hang some miniature Scales of Justice on it😄 electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #94
Omg! Is this IT?!!! Out most of the day (nice day!) but iz Extra Tired. Comprehension a bit off😄 electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #65
RACHEL, TONIGHT, 8:00 PM, MSNBC AverageOldGuy Aug 2023 #66
Would any of these four indictments prevent Trump from holding public office if he is found guilty? Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #67
Fantastic! Keep 'em coming! 🍾🥂 crickets Aug 2023 #68
Happy Smithmas, y'all bluescribbler Aug 2023 #69
And now this from New York!!!! AverageOldGuy Aug 2023 #70
From here BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #104
Yes The one we've been waiting for. Nululu Aug 2023 #72
The ONLY THING that could make this better . . . AverageOldGuy Aug 2023 #73
Wow! Holy eff'n crackers! It's happened at last! Weeeehaaa! You can't run, and you can't hide No Mo' electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #74
BOOM! Scrivener7 Aug 2023 #78
Suck it rethugs! flamingdem Aug 2023 #80
Pay close attention to those charges and note what isn't there jmowreader Aug 2023 #81
🍾 IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2023 #82
Historic day. J_William_Ryan Aug 2023 #85
Happy indictment day everyone liberal N proud Aug 2023 #89
May this be the stake through his heart tonekat Aug 2023 #97
I wish I could party and get drunk but that's kind of hard to do with only orange pop. Nt yaesu Aug 2023 #98
One of the days we ALL been waiting for! (makes the other ones easier to wait on) bluestarone Aug 2023 #100
Lock him up!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2023 #108
How Fox News will handle it. Shoonra Aug 2023 #110
According to them it's election interference. Demobrat Aug 2023 #114
Yet again, this underscores why it's so important to elect democrats up and down the ticket ffr Aug 2023 #111
Cart before the horse The Grand Illuminist Aug 2023 #115
To all those who swore it would never happen-- leave your DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #118
A billion days and counting ;) speak easy Aug 2023 #125
It has not been a billion days.... DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #126
really? speak easy Aug 2023 #127
Maybe you better reset your clocks and calendars, DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #130
look it up on DU speak easy Aug 2023 #133
Still NOT a "billion days".... DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #134
irony is lost speak easy Aug 2023 #137
Irony cannot be lost, before it is found.... DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #139
A billion days would have started over 2.7 million years ago Snooper9 Aug 2023 #166
How many years IS a "billion days" ?? DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #136
Yesssss! burrowowl Aug 2023 #131
k&r & a must bookmarking! these screen shots are priceless! nt orleans Aug 2023 #135
Fuck that fat piece of shit Blue Owl Aug 2023 #138
SWEET!!! calimary Aug 2023 #142
The indictment is . . . AverageOldGuy Aug 2023 #143
And ain't that delicious! Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #165
Trump got Jacked Kennah Aug 2023 #144
Unless there is a conviction, and we win in 2024, our Democracy will likely not survive JohnSJ Aug 2023 #151
Had to grab these headlines today BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #153
Jack Smith is being kind SpankMe Aug 2023 #154
I think Lawrence Tribe (among others) BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #156
Isn't there some kind of saying? Novara Aug 2023 #161
I think all prosecutors follow that credos BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #162
Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! BlueWavePsych Aug 2023 #163
KnR Hekate Aug 2023 #164

ShazzieB

(21,714 posts)
2. YES YES YES YES YES
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:35 PM
Aug 2023
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lastlib

(26,809 posts)
102. I haven't experienced such giddiness and excitement and happiness......
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 07:32 PM
Aug 2023

...since Nixon announced his resignation! (almost 49 years (to the day) ago!) - - - - - -

BTW, LOVE Jill Wine-Bank's pin!! - - - - - - - - -

electric_blue68

(24,144 posts)
141. Oh, almost to the day?!!! 😄😄😄 Gotta great little resignation story...
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 11:45 PM
Aug 2023

You'll see why I is laffing mucho besides the obvious occasion.

Me, my sis, and one of our cousin's were at a C,S,N & Y Concert in NJ.
Sooo many people including me were carrying radios from transistors to the medium size portable precursor (10" x "8) to the future boom box.

Concert started up. Maaaaybe half, two-thirds through at the end of a song some one comes running up to ?Stills, or Crosby and says something.
Then one of them steps up to the mic, and announces,
"Nixon's resigned!".
OMG! Joyous giddiness, whoops, yells, arrn waving etc break out in abandon!

Eventually we get back to the show.
Now, I don't know whether they were doing this at the end of the show anyway, or brought them along just in case ~ but they set off fireworks at the end, and everyone went happily crazy again! 😄😄😄

I'd add bc I was at both '08, and '12 MSNBC's Presidential
Election Countdown at Rockefeller Center - that Obama's Election, and then Reelection was just as giddy with joy! It was Soooo great!

riversedge

(78,209 posts)
9. CNN: JUST IN: Donald Trump has been indicted in special counsel's 2020 election interference probe
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:38 PM
Aug 2023



1 min ago
JUST IN: Donald Trump has been indicted in special counsel’s 2020 election interference probe

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-2020-election-probe-08-01-23/index.html

From CNN's Tierney Sneed and Devan Cole

Former President Donald Trump has been indicted by a federal grand jury in special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election leading up to the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, according to a court document.

This is the third time Trump has been criminally indicted. Smith charged Trump in the classified documents probe in June, and a Manhattan grand jury charged the former president for business fraud in March.

Trump, who is running for president in 2024, pleaded not guilty in both cases.

ancianita

(42,131 posts)
12. PRESIDING DISTRICT JUDGE -- TANYA S CHUTKAN (Obama)
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:40 PM
Aug 2023

6 NAMED CO-CONSPIRATORS, INCLUDING ATTORNEYS, JUSTICE DEPT OFFICIAL, POLITICAL CONSULTANT

ancianita

(42,131 posts)
119. Awesome, thanks! She's well regarded for her notable rulings. Here are a few from wikipedia...
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:46 PM
Aug 2023
On March 7, 2019, Chutkan ruled that U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos illegally delayed the implementation of the "Equity in IDEA" regulations. These regulations updated how states calculate racial disparities in the identification of children as being eligible for special education, the placement of children in restrictive classroom settings, and the use exclusionary discipline. Chutkan also ruled that the U.S. Department of Education violated the law concerning the spread of regulations by neglecting to provide a "reasoned explanation" for the delay, and failing to account for the costs that child, parents, and society would bear.[24]

On April 26, 2019, Chutkan sentenced Maria Butina to 18 months in prison for conspiring to be an unregistered agent of the Russian government in the United States.[25][26]

On November 9, 2021, Chutkan denied former President Donald Trump's plea to keep records from being released to the House Select Committee investigating the attack on the Capitol on January 6, 2021.[31][32] The D.C. Circuit affirmed that decision, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined review.[33]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_S._Chutkan

When Jack Smith focuses on speed, he's got the right DC federal judge! I'm going with Jill Wine Banks, who thinks the trial will start in November.




BumRushDaShow

(161,259 posts)
120. Oh boy
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:54 PM
Aug 2023

She handled that Russian NRA-hugging spy Maria Butina!







Thank you for that additional background info!

ancianita

(42,131 posts)
124. AND THIS FACT: Chutkan is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C. who has sentenced Jan. 6
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:22 PM
Aug 2023

defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested!

She won't entertain delay, will turn down motions, will overrule objections from defense, and will give strong instructions to the Jan 6 jury. She KNOWS what she's about.

BumRushDaShow

(161,259 posts)
129. And she looks like she
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:50 PM
Aug 2023

can give a mean side eye.





(Rachel is actually ticking off some things about her now as I post)

Deminpenn

(17,028 posts)
146. Her legal background is as a public defender, too
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 03:03 AM
Aug 2023

She knows well the rights of defendents.

AZ8theist

(6,915 posts)
14. I just don't get it......
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:43 PM
Aug 2023

Doturd could have continued his criminal life screwing over contractors, banks, employees, laundered Russian money while golfing every day and no one would have cared.

But NO! He had to run for President because of his narcissism. And now he's screwed.

The idiot is MONUMENTALLY STUPID.

speak easy

(12,421 posts)
60. (at least at the outset) he didn't think he could win
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:18 PM
Aug 2023

but would yugely buttress his 'brand' at home and overseas.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
75. You've obviously never dealt with a malignant narcissist
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:36 PM
Aug 2023

Malignant narcissists never, ever entertain the idea of failure. Not in any form. It's literally impossible for any of them to think it.

He was sure he would win because he truly believes that the entire world worship and adores him. Those of us who oppose him? Well, we don't really--we know we love him, too, and we're just jealous.

This is really how they think.

As long as you don't face that reality, you are vulnerable to falling under the thrall of at least one of them.

155. I tell people
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 10:25 AM
Aug 2023

Stop thinking of his narcissism as merely an undesirable personality trait, it is a pathology. He has a disease that molds his every thought and action. He can never accept that a failure is his own fault, there is always something or someone else he blames.

Once you view his actions through that lens, he becomes much easier to understand.

Lonestarblue

(12,957 posts)
61. Or he had to run for president because Putin told him to do so.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:19 PM
Aug 2023

I think it was Eric who said the Trump Organization got all the money it needed from Russia. Threats to turn off the money spigot when Trump knew he could not easily borrow elsewhere at that time would have been a powerful motivator for him. Putin may also have promised that he would see to it that he won. We’ll never fully know what effect Russian hackers and disinformation campaigns had on the election.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
86. Oh good grief
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:44 PM
Aug 2023

He didn't need Putin egging him on. He'd only tried it multiple times before that.

So many people here overthink what this guy is about. He's not at all difficult to understand. Get this through your heads:

****HE WANTED TO BE POTUS****

First of all, nobody runs run for it multiple times unless they want it--and bad.

Second--and most important: He wanted it more than he wanted anything in his entire miserable life. Every malignant narcissist wants that office because they crave the constant attention it demands. It is the very oxygen they breathe. So if presented with the chance to have the entire world's eyes on them, hour after hour, day after day--?

Are you kidding? No malignant narcissist is passing up a chance for that.

AZ8theist

(6,915 posts)
99. Are you saying Trump didn't conspire with Russia?
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 07:12 PM
Aug 2023

If so, you have no idea what you're talking about.
The Russian mob laundered money through his properties for years, perhaps decades.

Russian government = Russian mob = Russian government.

 

BlueIn_W_Pa

(842 posts)
101. I'm saying Russia has nothing to do with what's going on here
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 07:28 PM
Aug 2023

nor what happened with the insurrection. This is 100% Trump and his minions.

AZ8theist

(6,915 posts)
140. His "minions"..
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 11:36 PM
Aug 2023

DID CONSPIRE WITH RUSSIA.

READ THE MUELLER REPORT.

This is not rocket surgery.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
121. Has Jack Smith said that?
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:57 PM
Aug 2023

Mueller? AG Garland? What actual law enforcement authority has made those charges?

AZ8theist

(6,915 posts)
123. NOBODY has made those charges, and that's the problem.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:22 PM
Aug 2023

Doturd has been committing crimes with Russians for DECADES and nothing has been done.

But to parrot the Doturd line "Russia, Russia, Russia" is asinine.

3auld6phart

(1,633 posts)
92. Yu are right
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:47 PM
Aug 2023

He had it all. Narcissism is a mental sickness. It is stilll sticking to him, like shit on an army blanket.he will go to maker still thinking he can do no wrong. By the way his demise is taking
far to long. Please, you GD bucket of orange puke, leave this Vale of tears NOW!!! Bevfore you.and your mush brained idiot followers destroy the USA completely. He knows he is a grifter and a cheat, he doesn’t care about any body except himself.

Bengus81

(9,490 posts)
16. Trump in a few minutes..."It was a perfect attempted coup"
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:44 PM
Aug 2023

Lock that POS up and never let him out............

Evolve Dammit

(21,267 posts)
19. May the SOB be convicted on all counts and die in prison. How about the lies during the pandemic?
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:45 PM
Aug 2023

Did that cross any criminal statutes? 1.2 million dead. Just wondering what his spewage cost us.

Deminpenn

(17,028 posts)
29. Yes, but unindicted ones
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:53 PM
Aug 2023

Agree with Weissman on MSNBC that Smith is making this case tightly focused on Trump. The co-conspirators can be charged later or separately.

TomSlick

(12,745 posts)
107. It is at least possible that the six unindicted co-conspirators are cooperating witnesses.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 07:44 PM
Aug 2023

If I was Trump's lawyer (God forbid) that's what I would assume.

If this is correct, Trump's "stuff" is in the street.

ON EDIT: Happy Smithmas - again.

Deminpenn

(17,028 posts)
109. Here are the co-conspirators
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:05 PM
Aug 2023

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1 Rudy Giuliani
2 Eastman
3 Sydney Powell
4 Jeffrey Clark
5 Ken Chessboro
6 Navarro?

I could see Giuliani cooperating given he's already had a proffer session, but the others seem unlikely.

TomSlick

(12,745 posts)
112. We shall see.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:13 PM
Aug 2023

The threat of prison time often makes people find religion.

The other option is a grant of use immunity and forcing them to testify.

Deminpenn

(17,028 posts)
145. IMO, they will all be charged in a seperate, subsequent indictment
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 02:59 AM
Aug 2023

Smith said during his brief presser that the GJ is still working.

TomSlick

(12,745 posts)
160. A real possibility.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 01:18 PM
Aug 2023

I would be hesitant to charge co-conspirators in the existing case for fear of more delay.

I'm still expecting some cooperators.

riversedge

(78,209 posts)
26. Here are the $ counts in the Trump indictment:
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:51 PM
Aug 2023



BREAKING: CNN confirms that DONALD TRUMP is the person who just got indicted by Special Counsel Jack Smith’s federal grand jury for trying to steal Biden’s win.

There are FOUR counts in the indictment.

1: Conspiracy to defraud the United States.

2. Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.

3. Attempt to obstruct an official proceeding.

4. Conspiracy against rights.

It’s official. Trump is going to prison for a VERY LONG TIME.

Pop the champagne, folks!🍾🥂




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159. I really hate to ask ...
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 12:35 PM
Aug 2023

... but if convicted, will any of those charges preclude him from continuing his presidential run and/or keep him out of office if elected?

Him getting elected in 2024 then pardoning himself in 2025 is my worst-case scenario (barring all out Armageddon).

I am happy this happened. I am just not yet ready to celebrate.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
28. Keeping my Champaign chilled
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:52 PM
Aug 2023

for when I hear four words from a judge. "Bailiff, take him away".

Torchlight

(5,808 posts)
31. He is a stain on the nation. He earned this.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:55 PM
Aug 2023

It will be hard to remove the stain, but elbow grease, patience, and the right vinegar will do it every time.

Roc2020

(1,724 posts)
35. Yes he deserves to get Indited
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:57 PM
Aug 2023

but as an American, this is a sad day for the country. Honestly, I never dreamed Trump would turn out to be such a wicked person and the most horrid President ever.

barbtries

(30,802 posts)
76. i saw it coming the day
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:36 PM
Aug 2023

i watched him going down the escalator. i never imagined it would be this bad or that so many people would be sucked into his cult.

barbtries

(30,802 posts)
93. including me.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:47 PM
Aug 2023

not that i didn't vote for her, but that i didn't see her clearly for the great, wise woman she is. I guess i supported everyone else until she won the nomination and I am sorry for that. I actually regret it, and I try not to have a lot of regret.

I'm sorry Hillary, you would have and should have been an absolutely GREAT president.

She was literally right about everything, including a vast right wing conspiracy and a basketful of deplorables. not to mention russia and trump.

yardwork

(68,196 posts)
128. None of this surprises me, at all.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:47 PM
Aug 2023

I've known that Trump was a horrid person since the 1980s. I've known he was a traitorous fool since before the 2016 election. I'm grateful things aren't worse.

J_William_Ryan

(3,049 posts)
36. And we can assume that
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 05:58 PM
Aug 2023

Trump’s trial won’t be held in a red state presided over by a corrupt Trump-appointed judge.

Deminpenn

(17,028 posts)
147. Scott Perry, for one
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 03:08 AM
Aug 2023

He was the guy, after all, who introduced Jeffrey Clark to Trump. DoJ also seized his phone. If there's a congressman who was a key player in the plot to use DoJ to overturn the election results, it's him.

SergeStorms

(19,801 posts)
46. Finally.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:03 PM
Aug 2023

But republicans still believe it's all "politically motivated". 🙄

They used to wrongfully boast about being the "law and order" party. Well, this (among a myriad of other examples) blows that meme right the hell out of the water.

They're the party of organized crime now.

Shermann

(8,970 posts)
95. If a politician is indicted for a crime
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:54 PM
Aug 2023

...there's a greater than 50% chance the guy in the White House is in a different political party.

So, optics are weak evidence. What else they got?

SergeStorms

(19,801 posts)
49. Happy Birthday, Tex! 🥳
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:06 PM
Aug 2023

Yes, what a gift. I bet you'll remember this gift over any other in your lifetime.

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
50. For sure! When he's hauled off to jail that will be the second best day.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:08 PM
Aug 2023

Today is a great day for the country. Glad to see the rule of law in action, finally
Thanks SergeStorms

SergeStorms

(19,801 posts)
51. Appointed by Obama, I believe.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:09 PM
Aug 2023

If that doesn't rev-up the racist in Trump, nothing will.

I don't want to hear about any of his tweets, or truths, or whatever they're called, after this news hits his racist eardrums.

llmart

(16,931 posts)
152. I think I like that part the best.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 09:03 AM
Aug 2023

I remember some post I did a few years ago where I said it would be women that take this wart on society down and I added I hoped it would be a black woman. He's actually scared to death of strong women. Most bullies are.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
158. And she's been harder on Jan 6 defendants than any other judge
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 10:47 AM
Aug 2023

80% of the sentences have been less than the DOJ's recommendations.

Except for Judge Chutkan. She has imposed sentences as harsh or harsher.

I also said it would be women - and especially Black women - who would take him down. They don't generally put up with bullshit. We also have Letitia James and Fani Willis willing to do what's right for the rule of law.

Botany

(75,475 posts)
157. And did she come in on the Mothership? Black, a woman, and an Obama pick. That will burn Trump.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 10:42 AM
Aug 2023
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IE0NRUTCw7A/maxresdefault.jp

I'll obviously hustle to help on all fronts, but it's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218139760

Wonder Why

(6,236 posts)
52. Fani is upset. She can't find a clear day on Donnie's calendar that doesn't
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:11 PM
Aug 2023

have him appearing in court somewhere else.

Marthe48

(22,010 posts)
55. I lost track of the charges and indictments
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:16 PM
Aug 2023

I heard 70 charges the other day. But 7 indictments?

Orrex

(66,147 posts)
59. I've likewise lost count
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:18 PM
Aug 2023

I usually summarize by saying “indicted many more times than all other presidents combined.”

Botany

(75,475 posts)
58. FAFO
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:18 PM
Aug 2023

"Former President Donald Trump has been indicted on charges related to special counsel Jack Smith's probe into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, sources with direct knowledge tell ABC News."


bucolic_frolic

(52,647 posts)
62. Honestly, this is as big a thing as Magna Carta, to limit the power of the sovereign
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:21 PM
Aug 2023

and force him to obey the rule of law.

Marthe48

(22,010 posts)
71. Well said!
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:27 PM
Aug 2023

And this is why I will never vote for an r, or any issue an r backs. None of us on DU need to hold our breath waiting for r senators and r representatives to withdraw their support of the slimy traitor.


electric_blue68

(24,144 posts)
94. 😄😄👍 go out and get a little tree, or a wreath and hang some miniature Scales of Justice on it😄
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:47 PM
Aug 2023

electric_blue68

(24,144 posts)
65. Omg! Is this IT?!!! Out most of the day (nice day!) but iz Extra Tired. Comprehension a bit off😄
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:21 PM
Aug 2023

Lonestarblue

(12,957 posts)
67. Would any of these four indictments prevent Trump from holding public office if he is found guilty?
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:22 PM
Aug 2023

AverageOldGuy

(3,036 posts)
70. And now this from New York!!!!
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:26 PM
Aug 2023

This was copied from DU:

New York Attorney General Letitia James' office says it is ready to proceed with a trial stemming from its $250 million lawsuit claiming former President Donald Trump, two of his children and his company engaged in widespread fraud. "The case is ready for trial," wrote Kevin Wallace, senior enforcement counsel for the office, in a filing Monday.



Poor old Trump!!! Everyone is piling on!!! And DA Willis in Georgia is just waiting for the dust to die down then SHE'S GOING TO KICK HIS ASS!!!!

AverageOldGuy

(3,036 posts)
73. The ONLY THING that could make this better . . .
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:32 PM
Aug 2023

. . . would be for Melania to sue the sonofabitch for divorce!!!!!

electric_blue68

(24,144 posts)
74. Wow! Holy eff'n crackers! It's happened at last! Weeeehaaa! You can't run, and you can't hide No Mo'
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:34 PM
Aug 2023
Fucker, get a Taste of Real Consequences at last!

jmowreader

(52,692 posts)
81. Pay close attention to those charges and note what isn't there
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:41 PM
Aug 2023

Specifically, he hasn't yet been hit with any riot-related charges. This means the federal indictments haven't stopped coming. Plus, Georgia hasn't filed charges against him, and they will.

Pay particular heed: because of the Separate Sovereigns doctrine, each of the seven states he attempted a false-elector scheme in is completely free to file in state court against him.

J_William_Ryan

(3,049 posts)
85. Historic day.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 06:44 PM
Aug 2023

The first time a former president has been subject to a Federal indictment for crimes committed while in office.

A powerful and significant legal precedent has been established.

tonekat

(2,378 posts)
97. May this be the stake through his heart
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 07:05 PM
Aug 2023

Or, whatever malignant entity it is that rustles in his chest cavity.

Shoonra

(602 posts)
110. How Fox News will handle it.
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:09 PM
Aug 2023

Trump's indictment tonight means that tomorrow morning's FOX AND FRIENDS will accuse Hunter Biden of war crimes.

ffr

(23,249 posts)
111. Yet again, this underscores why it's so important to elect democrats up and down the ticket
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:09 PM
Aug 2023

For four years during GOP rule with this turd as POTUS, they squashed the constitution and politicized our government into TFG's personal Secret Service (SS).

If not for people turning out in such huge numbers to preserve our democracy, we'd long be on our way to a theocracy.

The Grand Illuminist

(1,906 posts)
115. Cart before the horse
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:19 PM
Aug 2023

If he is found guilty and his appeal goes to SCOTUS, there may be a chance we will see an overturn equal to that of Bill Cosby which nobody will expect. Throwing caution to the wind.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
118. To all those who swore it would never happen-- leave your
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 08:45 PM
Aug 2023

mea culpas at the door....



Yes, indictments aren't convictions, but many here claimed that he would never be charged...

I'm sure you are happy to have been wrong on that.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
130. Maybe you better reset your clocks and calendars,
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:55 PM
Aug 2023

and your 'body clock'---


They all seem to have been mis-set to "impatience"...


"Billion days" LOL that sound like something we would have heard on FAUX NEWS,
except they are not covering the story....


YES, sooner would have been more satisfying to many of us here,
but it seems these things take more time,
when the prosecutors are intent on WINNING their case...


Somewhere on this site, I may have also voiced dissatisfaction about how long the investigations were taking, but now that charges are finally being brought-- I am not inclined to criticize the timeline.

Why are you ?



 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
139. Irony cannot be lost, before it is found....
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 10:57 PM
Aug 2023

The irony here is that you have put me in the position of defending what might seem to have been the slowness of the Justice Department in bringing charges against Trump, when I was never a defender of them before...

I was hopeful, that is all... but I have previously criticized them also.


Anyway, it doesn't seem like a "billion days" to me---

It seems like almost yesterday when the MAGAts invaded the capitol-- to me


I am glad to see that justice is pursuing its rightful course, although some might say it moves too slowly...



Are you glad that Trump is finally charged? I have not seen you say such, as yet...

just bitch bitch bitch





 

Snooper9

(484 posts)
166. A billion days would have started over 2.7 million years ago
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:20 AM
Aug 2023

Ursus minimus was still alive then LOL

Ursus minimus (the Auvergne bear) is an extinct species of bear, endemic to Europe during the Pliocene and Pleistocene, living from 5.3 to 1.8 Mya, existing for about 3.5 million years.

U. minimus appears to have given rise to Ursus etruscus.[1] The range of U. minimus was continental Europe, as far east as the Black Sea in Russia and as far south as Italy.

The skeleton of U. minimus was very similar to that of the larger Asian black bear. With the exception of the age of the bones, it is often difficult to distinguish the remains of U. minimus from those of modern Asian black bears.[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursus_minimus

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
136. How many years IS a "billion days" ??
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 10:32 PM
Aug 2023

My calculator is broken....

a lot more than 2+ years, methinks...


I hope you are having a good night.... Goodnight comrade!


 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
151. Unless there is a conviction, and we win in 2024, our Democracy will likely not survive
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 07:53 AM
Aug 2023

SpankMe

(3,608 posts)
154. Jack Smith is being kind
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 10:20 AM
Aug 2023

Note that the charges are conspiracy to defraud the US, conspiracy/attempt to obstruct official proceedings. etc.

The charges DO NOT include seditious conspiracy or attempted sedition and the like.

sedition - noun - conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch

What Trump did was clearly sedition/seditious conspiracy. But Smith is treading carefully, even in his bold and decisive actions. This is extremely wise as sedition can get pretty subjective and a smart defense attorney could sway a jury into indecisiveness about whether or not sedition has occurred.

Defrauding and obstructing are more clear cut. And, even if smart people can debate whether Trump's actions rose to the level of sedition, they can't debate defraud and obstruct. Those are objectively true and provable.

I say that Jack Smith is the best prosecutor in America today. And he's younger than I am.

BumRushDaShow

(161,259 posts)
156. I think Lawrence Tribe (among others)
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 10:30 AM
Aug 2023

mentioned that and used the same reasoning. By not broaching it now, it leaves it as an option later if need be, and keeps it from becoming a hung jury or acquittal on that charge due to a higher risk of confusion/lack of clarity regarding the evidence to definitively prove that charge.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
161. Isn't there some kind of saying?
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 01:23 PM
Aug 2023

Try cases on charges you know you can convict? Something like that?

Jack Smith did this in less than nine months on the job. Granted, the J6 Committee did a hell of a lot of prep work, but the man is an ultimate pro at this. He was such a good choice. If only Garland chose him earlier, we wouldn't be running up against the election clock.

I have a question I might already know the answer: if these lawyers are convicted, they lose their law licenses, every one of them, right? I assume that Jack Smith will indict them in a separate case (he needs to speed this along so it makes sense to split the cases). If they are convicted, these are serious felonies and they lose their law licenses, don't they?

BumRushDaShow

(161,259 posts)
162. I think all prosecutors follow that credos
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 01:53 PM
Aug 2023

or at least consider trying to do so (after experiencing what happens when they don't).

And let me just say this - there is a lot of misinformation going around that suggests that "nothing" was going on in DOJ related to this aspect of the J6 investigation "until Jack Smith was appointed" (and I'm not even counting anything to do with the actual rioters). That is simply false.

What Jack Smith needed to do was to coordinate all the work that had already been done and was ongoing across multiple jurisdictions, and then bring some coherence to what would finally be presented for multiple grand juries. I.e., quite a bit of legwork was in the bag before he came in. In fact he was somewhat delayed because he had supposedly been involved in a cycling accident overseas and was recovering from surgery.

ETA as a note too - in January 2021 after Biden was inaugurated, the 93 U.S. Attorneys who would be the ones working on these J6 cases, including the Big Kahuna ones, were ALL 45 APPOINTEES. NONE were Biden appointees on January 20, 2021. There are still a pile who are in the process of being replaced and are going through confirmation hearings.

And remember, there was no "Jack Smith" yet when the search and seizure happened at Mar-a-Lago, which occurred in August of 2022 (Smith came on board in November 2022), and that was after they had already been working with NARA on the classified documents aspect once NARA did their referral early in 2022 because like all federal agencies, they have their own "process" that they go through before seeking DOJ's help to enforce their process through the courts (subpoenas, search warrants, seizures, injunctions, etc).

Also in the convoluted timeline, remember that the J6 Committee didn't actually come into being until July 1st 2001 and they didn't hold any hearings except one in 2021 covering the LEO response, with the next one not happening almost a year later on June 9, 2022.

I'm not pooh-poohing what the J6 Committee did because it was extraordinary and done by a group who were comprised of and advised by some of the best legal minds in the country, but who had a staff working behind the scenes able to put together a remarkable and historic narrative of what happened TO CONGRESS on January 6, 2021.

I.e., the "insurrection" and damage was inflicted ON CONGRESS, NOT on the Executive Branch, so it behooves that regardless of what the Executive does, they (Congress) must investigate what happened themselves! No one broke into the White House to trash it. They broken into the U.S. Capitol.

And with respect to your question about the lawyers - most of them are already undergoing Board hearings to revoke their licenses or at least impose sanctions and/or some kind of penalty, so by the time this case gets to trial, it will probably already be a done deal!

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