House passes anti-trans sports bill

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: CNN Politics

The House voted on Thursday to pass a GOP-led bill that would ban transgender athletes from women’s and girls’ sports at federally funded schools and educational institutions.

The bill is not expected to be taken up by the Democratic-controlled Senate and the White House has issued a veto threat. But the vote shows that Republicans are working to spotlight the issue – and it comes amid a GOP-led push in states across the country to pass similar bills restricting transgender athletes’ participation in sports.

The House bill would prohibit transgender women and girls from playing on sports teams consistent with their gender identity. It seeks to amend federal law to require that “sex shall be recognized based solely on a person’s reproductive biology and genetics at birth,” for the purpose of determining compliance with Title IX in athletics, according to the legislative text.

Title IX prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in education programs or activities that receive funding from the federal government, and applies to schools and other educational institutions.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/politics/house-transgender-sports-bill/index.html

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DOA in Senate but fodder for elections to hopefully rally some asleep people.

[underpants]

1. Well there's some time well spent

[Initech]

15. I like the tweet I saw yesterday:

Monday: Mass shooting
Tuesday: Mass shooting
Wednesday: Mass shooting
Thursday: Mass shooting
Friday: Mass shooting
Saturday: Mass shooting
Sunday: Mass shooting
MAGA GQP: We need to do something about trans people playing sports!

Fuck these conspiracy theorist lunatics. Fuck Marjorie Greene, Steve Bannon, and Alex Jones. They brought this craziness on us.

[underpants]

18. From stories over the last few weeks

Kansas passed one of these. Their state high school organization said that they knew of 2 trans students who wanted to participate in athletics. 11 if you include clubs and probably debate.

North Carolina passed one too (maybe just their House) and a there are grand total of 15 trans students it will effect.

That’s from memory so….

[Initech]

31. So fucking stupid, and I really hope their asses get sued over this.

This is a blatant 1st amendment violation if there ever was one.

[FarPoint]

2. Do you know. .

If any House Democrats voted for this?

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Am waiting on the Roll Call to be posted online

The bill -

H.R.734 - Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2023

(as a note, when they are done today, they will be adjourned until Monday)

[BumRushDaShow]

5. Roll call is up - no (D) votes for it

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023192

Party | Yeas | Nays | Present | Not Voting

Republican | 219 | 0 | 0 | 3
Democratic | 0 | 203 | 0 | 10
Independent | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0

Total | 219 | 203 | 0 | 13

[FarPoint]

12. Thank you so much

I am pleased

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Most welcome!

(glad to see that too)

[Midnight Writer]

37. I hate these headlines that say "House Passes..." when it should say "Republicans in House pass..."

[sinkingfeeling]

4. Here's my stupid question: why do all the GQP bills only ban trans women/girls

from women's sports? Why not banning trans men/boys from men's sports as well?

[Traildogbob]

6. Same question.

Guess they believe females that Transition, are really just females and inferior, as they all believe, so no way they could beat REAL males. We should reissue the Jenner Wheaties Box just to watch GQP poop themselves and maybe they could ban the Kardashians, like books. They all sure offend me.

[Bayard]

21. First thing I thought of as well

Will be glad to see it go down in flames.

[xocetaceans]

23. That's probably because of the fundamental asymmetries in biology and how those impact sports.

There is no similar case corresponding to that of Lia Thomas. So, there is no sense of unfairness relating to your question which has been created in public opinion for the GOP to exploit.

Are there any trans-gendered men who have successfully taken any titles away from cis-gendered men? I don't know of any. Even if there were, the "ethos" around that sort of a defeat would have the public tell those who were defeated to "suck it up, losers!" At least, that is my guess. Then, if further complaints were encountered, it would quickly descend into an imitation of the bully from The Simpson's and "Ha! Ha! You were beaten by a girl!" would be expressed.

One of the problems with this whole issue is that it depends on a similar sense of fairness existing on both sides of the debate. It is not going to work out for Democrats politically to expect the GOP to mirror of the Democrats' sense of fairness on this issue.

If the Democrats make this a primary issue, they will likely lose independents in the next election in spite of everything the GOP has done to destroy women's rights.

So, to answer your question more succinctly, there is nothing to be gained by the GOP if they were to do what you suggest in your question, while there is a lot to be lost for the Democrats in opposing this issue.

The primary issue related to this topic should be one of healthcare and ensuring that all people have access to healthcare. To allow this to be made into an issue about sports does not serve the Democrats well.

[sinkingfeeling]

26. I don't believe it's a 'losing issue ' for Democrats. People, of every stripe, are

sick to death of the GQP sticking their noses in everybody else's business.

Also Snopes says there have been several trans men in sports.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/athletes-assigned-female-transitioned-mens-sports/

Chris Mosier
Schuyler Bailar
Patricio Manuel

[xocetaceans]

33. They never rose to the level of creating a question of fairness for the following reasons...

As I pointed out, there is an inherent difference in what fairness means to both sides of the debate. Essentially, the men's division is seen as an open division - winning is perceived as being achieved by merit. So, effectively, no one really cares who competes in it. The women's division is seen as protected, and winning is by merit* - if it were actually open, women would not win except rarely, if at all, is the belief. So, people actually do care who competes in it.

That's the framing that I think is in play around this issue.

Thanks for the information regarding those athletes. I had never heard of them. (I did not say there weren't any, merely that I did not know of any.)

I hope that your analysis is correct and that I am wrong, but I think this issue will gain a foothold in the battleground states. How large of a foothold remains to be seen. Almost no one (save a few like Michael Moore) thought Trump could win in 2016. Please do keep in mind how important sports are in this country. (Who, after all, are the highest paid state employees in most (if not all) states?)

We'll see how things turn out. The House bill will likely not make it beyond the Senate: Speaker Jeffries reiterated today that sports already has governing agencies that define the rules for their respective disciplines, so his statement seems to agree with yours in that he does not believe that Congress has any business superseding those agencies' respective judgments with legislation.

[MichMan]

27. Probably due to the changes proposed in the context of Title IX laws

Title IX doesn't apply to men's sports

[kimbutgar]

7. Everyday Americans are being killed in senseless gun violence murders in this country but the

Most pressing Issues for repukes is to ban trans athletes? Wow talk about not doing anything to help their constituents! We should stop calling them repukes and call them the Fox right wing party.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. They found the "abortion issue" was a losing strategy for them

(including from within their own party and will instead let the zealots argue that in court). So they pivoted to go after someone else who they think won't fight back.

[kimbutgar]

10. How many cases are there of trans athletes that the average American would come in contact with?

I lived in San Francisco all my life and never met or known a transathlete!

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Exactly!

It's a mountain out of a mole hill.

Those who participate in, let alone excel at sports, are already a tiny fraction of the population as it is. So manufacturing a "problem" to create yet another wedge issue as part of their policy platform versus supporting the concept of a diverse population that truly "makes America great", is just more of the same bankrupt nonsense that the GOP has devolved into promoting.

[sanatanadharma]

8. Greedy old perverts gravitate to ...

Greedy old perverts gravitate to the Genitally Obsessed Party, gladly obstructing progress.

[Initech]

11. Fuck these asshole MAGA conspiracy theory lunatics.

I'm so damn tired of shit from Infowars and social media conspiracy theories infiltrating our government. Fuck Marjorie Taylor Greene and her hateful bullshit.

[Novara]

16. They can't legislate, so they fan culture wars

Trans people are such a small portion of the American population yet Rs are literally OBSESSED with them, even legislating genital checks for children.

It’s not just Ohio: N.J. bill has genital checks to guard against transgender athletes

Sick shit.

Instead of addressing children getting gunned down in their school, they're peeking into little girls' underwear.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. Pedophiles

[Novara]

24. It's fucking sick

They're more concerned with what's under the clothing of these children than they are at making sure they don't get shot in class.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Exactly

I have always said they want on their backs popping babies out so they can skeet-shoot them.

[Ocelot II]

17. It won't pass, fortunately, but if it did it would mean

that trans girls couldn't participate in school sports at all, since they wouldn't be allowed on the boys' teams either.

WTF is wrong with these people?

[MichMan]

30. Why wouldn't a trans woman be allowed to compete on a boy's team ?

The proposed legislation is based upon biological sex at birth from what is posted

[sarcasmo]

20. Chum for the base.

[IronLionZion]

22. Asleep people might become woke

[Ray Bruns]

28. Next week the house will take up the urgent issue of unicorns farting gold dust.

[Initech]

32. Yeah here's the crazy thing about this.

There's been thousands of mass shootings since Columbine, and we get like one a week. And the conservative solution to all of this? Let's put guns in churches and on public transport and make our states sanctuary states for gun laws! Don't fuck with gun nuts!

Meanwhile, there's one case of a trans athlete competing in sports, and conservatives lose their fucking minds because it's what all their stupid talk shows talk about.

Priorities.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

35. When they'e supposed to fart rainbows

[MichMan]

29. Title IX is already inherently flawed in execution

I found out a couple months ago that in order to comply with current rules, schools can game the system in a few ways that completely undermine the intent of providing equal opportunity to women in sports.

Many colleges add dozens and dozens of extra female athletes on teams in sports like rowing that never are able to participate in actual rowing competitions because they don't need anywhere near those number of athletes. They will put 50 plus on a rowing team even though only a select few ever get to travel to rowing competitions. As long as they are "on the team" they count towards Title IX numbers even though they never get the opportunity to ever compete.

Then in something that seems ridiculous. a dozen or more men are typically added to women's basketball rosters to serve as a practice squad for training purposes. Amazingly, they are then able to be officially counted as women for purposes of Title IX compliance.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

34. "Who cares about the debt limit?" The GOPee

[Marthe48]

36. If you aren't them

They are coming for you. The only thing stopping their fascism is a thin majority of Dems in the Senate, and President Biden.

Anyone who is female, LGBQT+, old, young, a person of color, handicapped, homeless, mentally ill, terminally ill, and anything else r maniacs don't like, they want your rights up to and including your life.

GOTV