China calls for Russia-Ukraine cease-fire, peace talks

[AZLD4Candidate]

Source: AP via AOL

China called for a cease-fire between Ukraine and Moscow and the opening of peace talks in a 12-point proposal to end the fighting that started one year ago.

Beijing claims to have a neutral stance in the war, but China has also said it has a “no limits friendship” with Russia and has refused to criticize its invasion of Ukraine, or even refer to it as an invasion. It has accused the West of provoking the conflict and “fanning the flames" by providing Ukraine with defensive arms.

The U.S. has also said China may be preparing to provide Russia with military aid, something Beijing says lacks evidence. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin has called the allegation “nothing more than slander and smears.”

There are doubts over whether China can be seen as an honest broker.

Read more: https://www.aol.com/news/china-calls-russia-ukraine-cease-071528205.html

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Day late, dollar short with no credibility, Emperor Winnie the Flu.

[ZonkerHarris]

1. Fuck China

[AZLD4Candidate]

2. No, "f" the CCP. My wife is Chinese.

[progree]

3. So is my nephew's wife

 

[Alexander Of Assyria]

9. It's a PEACE proposal...strange response! America going to be the ...»honest broker? As AOL !

pines for?

Negotiations for peace and ceasefire…why not? Or more Death!?? Until one side gives up or is destroyed?


Too many warmongering in the 840 billion a year taxpayer funded military, chafffing at the bit…America is not at war, having a sad!?

[AZLD4Candidate]

16. You know nothing about China. Each of your pro-CCP, Jimmy Dore style responses shows that.

[EX500rider]

18. It's easy for Russia to get a ceasefire just withdrawal to their borders

[sprinkleeninow]

4. "...provoking the *conflict* and *fanning the flames*..."

Here, fan this!! 💩

[ToxMarz]

5. They have a "no limits friendship" with Russia

but saying that they are preparing to give Russia aid is “nothing more than slander and smears".

Doesn't speak very highly of their friends.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

10. Its slander and smear by definition if there's zero evidence, right?

Ofc all evidence is classified…because…it’s like the balloon again, all hot air and no beef.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

22. How do you know there's no evidence?

Got an inside source in the CIA? DIA? NSA? FBI CoIntell?

But I figured you would criticize the US over China, because China has been sooooooo honest.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

23. That not how accusations work, where the accused has to prove the accusation false?

Slander law would be turned upside down!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

24. So you would have the US Intelligence services reveal how they know,

giving China a clue on how US Intelligence knows this?

I trust the Biden Admin. much, much, more than I trust China or Russia.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

25. Probably they spied, like all nuclear nations spy, but again no evidence, just like a balloon.

So the detailed peace proposal no one has read I know of is some kind of clever way of…sending weapons??


Not all the world agrees with the West and the West is not all the world.

South Africa for example and all of Latin America with old USA military stuff America wanted them to send over…replaced by fresh from the military industrial complex! What a deal! They refused!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. You keep saying no evidence,

but I'll ask you again, how do you know there is no evidence?

A more likely scenario is that US Intelligence doesn't want to compromise any Chinese asset and possibly put their life in danger.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

28. Where is your evidence for that?

And China has peace proposal when no one is stepping up wih any proposal…very contradictory.

It may suck, dunno, but start the PEACE process! That’s not radical!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. Re-read my post.

I said "a more likely scenario".

You keep deflecting so I have to assume you nave no clue on whether or not there is evidence of China not being an honest broker.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

36. Read the news Zelensky isn't so rejecting of the plan...he having read the details?

I would like the details also, wouldn’t anyone before rejecting, just like Zelensky read it…then pondered it…then made a decision…we could work with this!!

[Alexander Of Assyria]

37. Intelligence services also had no idea China had peace proposal Zelensky might like!

Kind of puts this all in perspective now.

[AZLD4Candidate]

45. Umm, no.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-calls-for-russia-ukraine-peace-talks/
https://apnews.com/article/peace-talks-russia-ukraine-china-b6ce7e237f6f9037ad317a69d2f1373a
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2023/02/25/russia-ukraine-crisis-zelenskky-might-consider-chinas-peace-plan-what-did-beijing-propose.html
https://www.yahoo.com/now/zelenskyy-chinas-peace-initiative-not-163109927.html

[Alexander Of Assyria]

53. America isn't really known to be a peacemaker or keeper, have to belong to ICJ for that.

Gave up joining world justice so could keep on warring without consequence…America is not the peace broker anyone should be looking to.

America does War, Rest of the World maybe wants peace, America is not the world, despite all the Corporate Media convincing y’all it is. Again.

[AZLD4Candidate]

54. nice red herring and straw man. Completely went down a rabbit hole after being proven wrong.

You really need to stop listening to Jimmy Dore.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

58. I have 2 comments to your ridiculous post,

here goes.:

And:



Here's the difference sparky, we were invited by those countries to station military personal and equipment, they can ask us to leave at any time and we'll comply, whereas, Russia wasn't invited, Ukraine was illegally invaded by a meglomaniac who doesn't know the first thing about sovereignty except their own.

[AZLD4Candidate]

55. Here you go. Following the standard you've set on this thread, considering means doing it.

Remember, Zelenskyy is considering China's "peace" offer, just like China is considering sending military equipment to Russia.

BTW, the word you want is "it's," not "its." "Its" is a possessive pronoun, "it's" is the conjunction of the words "it" and "is."

https://www.asiafinancial.com/chinese-firm-in-talks-to-sell-military-drones-to-russia-report

[MarineCombatEngineer]

59. I now suspect that the poster is not an American citizen and

doesn't understand the English language, I'm thinking that this is, well, I don't want a hide, so I'll just leave it at that.

[Ford_Prefect]

6. A left-handed threat at the very least.

No way this is anything more than China deflecting and delaying on Putin's behalf.

Ukraine will not accept anything less than full recovery of their original borders including Crimea.

Putin will never publicly accept giving up any of the territory he has taken. He's gone too far into a bad war to lose yet more face. He won't negotiate in good faith because he believes in a world where the old Soviet sphere of influence cancels local authority among his independent neighbors no matter the cost to Russia.

With no actual outcomes that would satisfy both parties this is not a serious offer.

China is using this pretense of peaceful diplomatic engagement while preparing for their own military and political offenses elsewhere.

[Irish_Dem]

13. +1

You get the picture quite well.

I wish others could see what is going on.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

38. Shoot the messenger, don't read the message!?

[Ford_Prefect]

39. Quite a few commentators have expressed doubts about Chinese intentions and their

sincerity in pursuing a workable peace negotiation. I see no reason to trust this is anything but what I have said above.

China doesn't play a square game with anyone. Look at what has happened to their promises regarding home rule in Hong Kong. Look at their escalating militancy towards Taiwan and the rest of their neighbors in the South China Sea region.

If you have something to contribute please explain why China should be seen as an honest broker of peace in this instance. Their statement seems to ring quite hollow according to a number of China watchers.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

40. So shoot the messenger it is? Zelensky isnt! Comment on that?

[AZLD4Candidate]

46. No problem. You're wrong.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-calls-for-russia-ukraine-peace-talks/
https://apnews.com/article/peace-talks-russia-ukraine-china-b6ce7e237f6f9037ad317a69d2f1373a
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2023/02/25/russia-ukraine-crisis-zelenskky-might-consider-chinas-peace-plan-what-did-beijing-propose.html
https://www.yahoo.com/now/zelenskyy-chinas-peace-initiative-not-163109927.html

[Ford_Prefect]

51. On what basis do you believe that China is acting in good faith? Why do you insist

we should not distrust them? I doubt that Zelensky is unaware of China's relationship with Russia. I understand he is willing to entertain anyone who will have an ear in Moscow. That doesn't mean he'll let them dictate terms. Ask Vietnam what price they have paid to accept Chinese assistance.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

52. Up to Zelensky, America only supplies the weapons, not the politics. Agreed?

I bet the president of Ukraine, he knows more about the details than you or I.

So target Zelensky, not me! Ofc can’t let other side dictate terms…it’s negotiations, you always ask for a higher price than you will accept…not much difference than a bazaar negotiation,,,the opening bids are usually nuts…then you start talking! Common logic is something I cling to.

[AZLD4Candidate]

56. It's "you or me." Need that object pronoun at the end of the sentence.

And it looks like China is doing the same with Russia.

https://www.asiafinancial.com/chinese-firm-in-talks-to-sell-military-drones-to-russia-report

[Jarqui]

7. "There are doubts over whether China can be seen as an honest broker."

Doubts? Really?

Ukraine didn't do a thing to Russia except to resist Russia taking their country away from them.

[Sky Jewels]

8. They frame this in a "both sides" manner

“Fighting” just happened to “start” between the two countries. Gee, I wonder why? Couldn’t have anything to do with the brutal invasion of a sovereign country that Putin launched, could it?

[Alexander Of Assyria]

11. Starting negotiations and a ceasefire by poking finger in eye is not encouraged by professionals!

[EX500rider]

19. Why would Ukraine want a cease fire that gives up a third of their territory

That's just rewarding bad behavior and encouraging more

[Alexander Of Assyria]

20. M guessing the actual negotiation document is many pages long and very detailed. It's a start.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. And Russia has already said that Ukraine has to

give up territory for negotiations to even begin, they told China that.

China is not an honest broker in this instance.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

29. I agree Russia should withdraw to their own borders, and a referendum held on separation or autonomy

in the disputed provinces…ofc many many details to that.

Total security provided by UN and election supervision by international bodies.

Democracy now!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

31. That I can agree with you on.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

32. Voters living there should decide, not the politicians or the military.

Why is that so damn hard to do, where are the headlines calling for that? Why isn’t Biden?

Should do same in China, but that’s another ballpark, they got nukes.

[AZLD4Candidate]

33. Since Putin hasn't allowed legit elections in forever and jails opposition

it will be like the 1935 plebiscite in the Saarland.

Also, unlike Saarland, which was and is traditionally German, the eastern areas of Ukraine are UKRAINIAN! Why should Ukraine even ask for that in your world? That's like saying, since the US bought Seward's Folly, the people of Alaska should vote on if they want to join Russia or not!

You listen to waaay too much Jimmy Dore.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

34. People of Quebec voted on independence not long ago. Weren't even in a war!

So if opponents are jailed in a referendum…that’s not gonna cut it with international election monitors.

[AZLD4Candidate]

35. First, to get through your pro-Russia, pro-CCP drivel point by point.

1: Canada is not an authoritarian quasi-dictatorship or dictatorship. So elections happen regularly.

2: Quebec voted on independence, yet they are still part of Canada because they realized it was a dumb idea.

3: Voting for independence isn't the same and getting, earning, or granting independence.

4: Why should the Ukraine allow a vote to have part of their country secede? How many stars to you want to rip from the American flag?

5: You really think Putin would allow international election monitors into his country? Belarus's Lukashenko scammed the last election, it was decrided by "international election monitors" and he is till the strong-arm tin horn dictator of Belarus, proudly proclaiming himself Europe's last dictator.

You need to deplatform yourself from Jimmy Dore, the CCP, Putin's propaganda mills, and ANSWER people. They aren't good for IQ points.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

41. Zelensky is considering the plan! Comments?

[AZLD4Candidate]

44. Biden said no. Zelenskyy will listen. And based on the below news sources, you are wrong.

And you completely ignored my point by point rebuttal of your pro-Russian, pro-CCP talking points.

BTW, he'll consider, like I consider chopping my balls off.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-calls-for-russia-ukraine-peace-talks/
https://apnews.com/article/peace-talks-russia-ukraine-china-b6ce7e237f6f9037ad317a69d2f1373a
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2023/02/25/russia-ukraine-crisis-zelenskky-might-consider-chinas-peace-plan-what-did-beijing-propose.html
https://www.yahoo.com/now/zelenskyy-chinas-peace-initiative-not-163109927.html

Any more pro-Russian, pro-CCP talking points?

[Irish_Dem]

12. China is not an honest broker, it has a vested interest in Russian success.

China is a strong ally of Russia and together they want to become global superpowers.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

43. America has a vested interest in the 100 nations it has military bases in...don't share any borders!!

The West and one nation, America, is not the World. The World has differing opinions. Get over yourselves. Your massive bloated military doesn’t cow everyone.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

48. Yep.

You just confirmed my suspicions.

[AZLD4Candidate]

57. Talking points directly from what I watch on CCTV here in China and read on Weibo.

Amazing how what you say is almost a word-for-word English translation in meaning and spirit.

[CousinIT]

14. "peace talks" negotiation. With a terrorist regime.

FLAT. OUT. NO.

The ONLY acceptable resolution is for RussiaPutin to STOP their terrorist assault on Ukraine and GET. OUT.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

42. America negotiated with Iran, and Zelensky seems ok with talking about Peace!

America does want Peace doesn’t it…such a peace loving nation it is?

[AZLD4Candidate]

47. Again, you're wrong.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-calls-for-russia-ukraine-peace-talks/
https://apnews.com/article/peace-talks-russia-ukraine-china-b6ce7e237f6f9037ad317a69d2f1373a
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2023/02/25/russia-ukraine-crisis-zelenskky-might-consider-chinas-peace-plan-what-did-beijing-propose.html
https://www.yahoo.com/now/zelenskyy-chinas-peace-initiative-not-163109927.html

Stop listening to Jimmy Dore.

[CousinIT]

49. Going by Biden...

https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/abc-news-biden-dismisses-chinas-proposed-peace-planABC

Of course it's ultimately up to President Zelenskyy

[pandr32]

15. Sounds like projection about Taiwan here.

[Happy Hoosier]

17. Russia can have a ceasefire by simply withdrawing its troops back into Russia. NT

[Javaman]

21. that's rich.

fuck'em

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

50. I'm all for a peace that Ukraine can live with.

I'd rather China/CCP not be involved, none of its ships, subs, jets or balloons.

[roamer65]

60. DOA.

The breakup of the RuZZian Federation should now be the absolute goal.