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ornotna

(11,375 posts)
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 02:17 PM Dec 2022

How Amazon put Ukraine's 'government in a box' -- and saved its economy from Russia

Source: LA Times

Since Februrary, Amazon has been playing Santa Claus to Ukraine, delivering planeloads of goods, including blankets, hygiene kits, diapers, food, and toys, for the war-torn nation and refugees in Poland and other parts of Europe.

But long term, what’s more important to Ukrainians than the gifts coming in is what’s going out: massive amounts of government, tax, banking and property data vulnerable to destruction and abuse should Russian invaders get their hands on it.

Since the day Russia launched its invasion Feb. 24, Amazon has been working closely with the Ukrainian government to download essential data and ferry it out of the country in suitcase-sized solid-state computer storage units called Snowball Edge, then funneling the data into Amazon’s cloud computing system.

“This is the most technologically advanced war in human history,” said Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine’s 31-year-old vice prime minister and minister of digital transformation, referring not just to weapons, but data, too. “AWS’s leadership made a decision that saved the Ukrainian government and economy.”

Read more: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-12-15/amazon-ukraine-war-cloud-data

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How Amazon put Ukraine's 'government in a box' -- and saved its economy from Russia (Original Post) ornotna Dec 2022 OP
ingenious cool reymega life Dec 2022 #1
Wow, that's excellent. Hopefully they will do right by their employees next. chowder66 Dec 2022 #2
I know at least put bathrooms closer to work areas Tree Lady Dec 2022 #15
Yes, they could do both. ananda Dec 2022 #17
Wow, totally amazing. Some day there will be a movie about this. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #3
Also BonnieJW Dec 2022 #5
Yes exactly. Also sending plane loads of needed supplies. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #22
I was thinking the same thing PatSeg Dec 2022 #12
We probably don't know the half of it yet. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #23
Oh yes PatSeg Dec 2022 #24
I agree. There will be so much material to choose from. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #25
And of course a 21st century PatSeg Dec 2022 #26
Yes it like all the WWII movies rolled into one. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #27
Yes, really sad PatSeg Dec 2022 #29
I think people assumed that WWII events could never happen again. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #30
Yes, that is true PatSeg Dec 2022 #31
Yes Russia/China/Saudi/Iran/North Korea are making that clear. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #32
Hard to believe so much evil even exists PatSeg Dec 2022 #33
Yes and that so many people support it, love it. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #34
I find myself rethinking PatSeg Dec 2022 #40
Yes I have had the same thoughts. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #41
Well, that varies from time to time PatSeg Dec 2022 #42
Or maybe all humans are a mixture of good and bad. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #43
Yes, that is true PatSeg Dec 2022 #44
Yes humans are hybrids in a sense. A mixture of good and evil. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #45
With George Clooney or Brad Pitt??😏 mitch96 Dec 2022 #48
Now that's how ya do it. Thank you, Amazon. Hekate Dec 2022 #4
The U.S. should be doing something else......... DENVERPOPS Dec 2022 #6
+100 ancianita Dec 2022 #7
Can't do that. James48 Dec 2022 #13
Regardless DENVERPOPS Dec 2022 #47
Love it - Amazon using their Amazon Web Services (AWS) technology to archive Ukraine's data. iluvtennis Dec 2022 #8
Okay, I don't feel quite so guilty about using Amazon as much as I do... n/t TygrBright Dec 2022 #9
With my indelible disdain for Musk & much of gargantuan business, this makes me hlthe2b Dec 2022 #10
Kudos to Mr. Bezos indeed peppertree Dec 2022 #14
Excellent! 👏👏👏👏 SheltieLover Dec 2022 #11
Its stories like this one that underscore just how much Ruzzia doesn't "Get It" Otto_Harper Dec 2022 #16
I'm not sure that it's Ruzzia that doesn't get it - it's Poutine and his fellow oligarchs erronis Dec 2022 #20
Yay...but this is a product Amazon Web Services offers & it has cost Ukraine 75 million USD so far. NullTuples Dec 2022 #18
$7.08 per month for a $100,000 Earner is the Equivalent Donation MayReasonRule Dec 2022 #36
You've posted that multiple times NullTuples Dec 2022 #46
Well that makes me feel a lot less guilty about ordering dog toys and stuff mahina Dec 2022 #19
The Equivalent Donation is $7.08 per month for $100,000 Earners MayReasonRule Dec 2022 #37
Got you mahina Dec 2022 #38
Oh Wow.. I'm so goad to know this! TY! nt Cha Dec 2022 #21
When Amazon is good, it's really good. When it's bad.. well, we'll save that for another day. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #28
0.0008523% of Monthly Profits MayReasonRule Dec 2022 #35
The Equivalent Donation is $7.08 per month for $100,000 Earners MayReasonRule Dec 2022 #39

chowder66

(11,455 posts)
2. Wow, that's excellent. Hopefully they will do right by their employees next.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 02:26 PM
Dec 2022

I doubt it but if they can do this, they can take care of their employees.

Tree Lady

(12,817 posts)
15. I know at least put bathrooms closer to work areas
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:18 PM
Dec 2022

At get heating and cooling right. Glad he is doing this maybe trying to up his image with the world.

ananda

(33,697 posts)
17. Yes, they could do both.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:23 PM
Dec 2022

I don't understand why employees are so disrespected
and mistreated over here.

It's really a black stain on our country.

Irish_Dem

(76,542 posts)
3. Wow, totally amazing. Some day there will be a movie about this.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 02:27 PM
Dec 2022

Amazon is helping Ukraine store critical data and records.

To prevent Russia from stealing this information to wreck Ukraine's economy,
and other nefarious deeds.

Amazon is smuggling out "snowballs" from Ukraine which are small containers of computer data.

BonnieJW

(3,041 posts)
5. Also
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 02:53 PM
Dec 2022

They are sending desperately needed items to help the people survive.

Bravo to this company

Irish_Dem

(76,542 posts)
23. We probably don't know the half of it yet.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 05:36 PM
Dec 2022

Information during wartime is best kept secret.

PatSeg

(51,225 posts)
24. Oh yes
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 06:40 PM
Dec 2022

They'll be writing books and making movies or mini series for years to come. Look at how many stories have come out of World War II and they are still coming up with more.

Irish_Dem

(76,542 posts)
25. I agree. There will be so much material to choose from.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 06:51 PM
Dec 2022

The exceptional bravery, resilience in the face of horrific war crimes has been astounding.
And should be remembered.

PatSeg

(51,225 posts)
29. Yes, really sad
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 07:06 PM
Dec 2022

Especially because it shows once again that so many people don't learn from history. We live in a time when you don't even need to read a book to know history. Movies and television have bombarded us with it for decades now, but apparently it doesn't always sink in.

Irish_Dem

(76,542 posts)
30. I think people assumed that WWII events could never happen again.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 07:10 PM
Dec 2022

To those who even knew anything about WWII.

Putin is the embodiment of Hitler.

Now the world knows, we are always just one step away from evil.

PatSeg

(51,225 posts)
31. Yes, that is true
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 07:17 PM
Dec 2022

Just like after World War I, people didn't think it could happen again.

It seems like Putin is working off of Hitler's playbook. There are so many disturbing similarities.

"We are always just one step away from evil." Unfortunately, we cannot afford to relax and become complacent. There is always another tyrant waiting for us to let our guard down.

Irish_Dem

(76,542 posts)
32. Yes Russia/China/Saudi/Iran/North Korea are making that clear.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 07:22 PM
Dec 2022

"There is always another tyrant waiting for us to let our guard down."

PatSeg

(51,225 posts)
40. I find myself rethinking
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 02:24 PM
Dec 2022

everything I've ever believed about humanity. It is very disorienting. I feel like we are sharing the planet with some unevolved alien species bent on destroying everything. Or WE are the aliens?

Irish_Dem

(76,542 posts)
41. Yes I have had the same thoughts.
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 02:38 PM
Dec 2022

Since childhood.

My daughter says I am not from this planet.

What do you think. Are we the earthlings or the aliens?

PatSeg

(51,225 posts)
42. Well, that varies from time to time
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 03:37 PM
Dec 2022

Often I've felt like I wasn't from this planet, but then again, I feel more in tune with nature than many people. I think that a lot of indigenous people like Native Americans or Aboriginal Australians are much more at home than many people of European descent. They seem to be more inclined to live in concert with nature, not in spite of it. And then there are Buddhists who have a great reverence for all life.

My daughter and I have had similar conversations. It starts getting very metaphysical after awhile. A song from Sesame Street popped into my head, "One of these things is not like the other. One of these things doesn't belong".

PatSeg

(51,225 posts)
44. Yes, that is true
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 04:18 PM
Dec 2022

Of course, it could be many of us are a mix of alien and earthling! We certainly are different from other earthly species. It dawned on me in recent years that humans as a species are inclined to be schizophrenic and self-destructive. There is often no real rhyme or reason for what they (we) do. Warfare alone is total insanity.

It certainly is hard to see humanity as created in the image of some "god", unless that god is irrational, cruel, and vindictive. Clearly god, especially the Old Testament god, was created in the image of man.

Okay, now my brain is starting to hurt.

Irish_Dem

(76,542 posts)
45. Yes humans are hybrids in a sense. A mixture of good and evil.
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 04:53 PM
Dec 2022

The age old dichotomy.

The metaphors for this are devil vs god/angels.

Or in our discussion earthing vs alien.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
6. The U.S. should be doing something else.........
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 02:58 PM
Dec 2022

Another "Berlin airlift" to Ukraine.....Totally humanitarian and no reason for Russia to attack the transport planes because it is purely humanitarian. Let Putin know, we are doing this, and that if he tries to take out the supply planes with fighters or rockets the consequences will be EXTREME AND IMMEDIATE for them attacking the supplies we are sending for medical purposes or feeding the innocent civilians....
Point out to Putin we are not going to take any offensive actions, purely defensive if he screws with our humanitarian airlift.
Maybe NATO nations will help with the project.

Google Berlin Airlift to see the enormous effort that was taken to help innocent citizens in the past......

James48

(5,010 posts)
13. Can't do that.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:11 PM
Dec 2022

The skies are contested, meaning the Russians can and would shoot down any American (or other) plane within the combat zone. No, we can’t fly into there. That’s why we are sending today to airfields in Poland and Romania- because they are close to the border, but are not in contested airspace.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
47. Regardless
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 06:13 PM
Dec 2022

as long as we send massive humanitarian aid to those people............Putin is destroying the utility grids across Ukraine at the beginning of Winter, He is also interrupting all food and water supplies to millions of people just because he can. Not only a Psychopath, with an extreme Narcissistic personality, but a sadist on top of it.....(sounds a lot like someone we know)

There are probably a Ton of things being done for those people in Ukraine that never gets disclosed to the Public. Both by us, and the entire NATO group of nations. It appears that the Russian people themselves continue to get more and more upset by Putin's actions. Maybe they will help create the final solution to this entire mess in Ukraine......

iluvtennis

(21,389 posts)
8. Love it - Amazon using their Amazon Web Services (AWS) technology to archive Ukraine's data.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 03:08 PM
Dec 2022

Bravo Amazon, Bravo!

hlthe2b

(111,781 posts)
10. With my indelible disdain for Musk & much of gargantuan business, this makes me
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 03:25 PM
Dec 2022

very happy. Amazon is wracked with issues, including some of its employee policies, but on this effort, I say KUDOS.

peppertree

(22,965 posts)
14. Kudos to Mr. Bezos indeed
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:14 PM
Dec 2022

ILL-on Musk, meanwhile, isn't happy Ukraine is using Starlink satellites for military communications - ostensibly because Russia has threatened to shoot them down (they probably can't).

But actually, because it's no secret ILL-on is sympathetic to Vlad the Invader.

Otto_Harper

(822 posts)
16. Its stories like this one that underscore just how much Ruzzia doesn't "Get It"
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:18 PM
Dec 2022

The Western nations have been sending Ukraine arms, humanitarian relief, power network repair parts, medicine, satellite terminals, food, training, refugee assistance and on and on and on and on.

Ruzzia has been sending Orcs and war crimes and attacks against civilians and war crimes and theft of all sorts of good from the country, and war crimes.

Ruzzia has been worried that Ukraine would become allied with NATO and the west. They sure have a funny way of dealing with Ukraine to make sure their allegiances lie with Ruzzia, not the West.

erronis

(21,685 posts)
20. I'm not sure that it's Ruzzia that doesn't get it - it's Poutine and his fellow oligarchs
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:42 PM
Dec 2022

that have capitalized on a population that has been brainwashed for decades and has had any freedoms quashed.

I don't know how the world can recover from the devastation that this monster has caused.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
18. Yay...but this is a product Amazon Web Services offers & it has cost Ukraine 75 million USD so far.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:30 PM
Dec 2022

This is not, as far as I can ascertain, Jeff Bezos "doing the right thing" for anyone but Amazon shareholders.

AWS's "snowballs" - essentially a hardened rack of storage servers in a container built to be airlifted - is the modern version of Sneakernet (walking dense storage media because it's faster than a network transfer) or, from the early 1970's PARC, "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes".

https://www.govtech.com/analytics/amazon-works-to-safeguard-critical-data-in-ukraine

I've searched and have found no mention that anyone is paying for this service but the Ukraine government , nor that Amazon is just giving it away.

I am grateful that such a service exists, as it ensures that even if Russia were to take over the structures where Ukraine's data was being stored (thanks to their otherwise very wise "keep Ukraine data in Ukraine" policy), they've not lost the core infrastructure to their government being able to operate or recover when this is over. But these services have existed as long as there has been a need to move giant amounts of data quickly - nearly 50 years that I'm aware of, and probably even further back into the mainframe era.

MayReasonRule

(3,931 posts)
36. $7.08 per month for a $100,000 Earner is the Equivalent Donation
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 11:31 AM
Dec 2022

Seven dollars and eight cents.




NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
46. You've posted that multiple times
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 04:58 PM
Dec 2022

I understand the statement at face value, but what do you mean by it in the context of this conversation, please?

mahina

(20,104 posts)
19. Well that makes me feel a lot less guilty about ordering dog toys and stuff
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:34 PM
Dec 2022

Good on Jeff Bezos

MayReasonRule

(3,931 posts)
37. The Equivalent Donation is $7.08 per month for $100,000 Earners
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 11:38 AM
Dec 2022

Seven dollars and eight cents.

I say he deserves no more than $7.08 of praise.

...momentary kind thought regarding Jeff Bezos...

And the moment's gone.

mahina

(20,104 posts)
38. Got you
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 11:55 AM
Dec 2022

But most greedheads wouldn’t give a penny. Your post made me smile and I know you’re right

Joinfortmill

(19,263 posts)
28. When Amazon is good, it's really good. When it's bad.. well, we'll save that for another day.
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 07:03 PM
Dec 2022

MayReasonRule

(3,931 posts)
35. 0.0008523% of Monthly Profits
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 11:24 AM
Dec 2022

Eight-five hundred-thousandths of one-percent of monthly profits.

That's like someone making $100,000 per annum donating $85 dollars and garnering world-wide free-praise, free-advertising and political capital.

MayReasonRule

(3,931 posts)
39. The Equivalent Donation is $7.08 per month for $100,000 Earners
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 12:01 PM
Dec 2022

Seven dollars and eight cents.

I say he deserves no more than $7.08 of praise.

...momentary kind thought regarding Jeff Bezos...

And the moment's gone.


Eight-five hundred-thousandths of one-percent of monthly profits.

That's like someone making $100,000 per annum donating $85 dollars yearly and garnering world-wide free-praise, free-advertising and political capital.

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