Charles formally confirmed as king in ceremony televised for first time

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Source: BBC


The Accession Council was attended by the King and Prince of Wales


Charles III has been proclaimed as king at a ceremony at St James's Palace.

Charles became king immediately following the death of his mother Queen Elizabeth II, but a historic meeting formally confirmed his role on Saturday. During the Accession Council, the King approved the day of the Queen's funeral becoming a bank holiday, although it is not known when it will take place.

It is the first time the historic ceremony has been televised.

The King himself was not present to begin with, but he attended the second part of the ceremony to hold his first meeting of the Privy Council, the group of senior politicians who advise the monarch.

Clerk of the Privy Council Richard Tilbrook proclaimed Charles "King, head of the Commonwealth, defender of the faith", before declaring "God Save the King". The packed room, attended by senior politicians, judges and officials who gathered in the State Apartments of the Palace in London, repeated back the phrase.

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[div class"excerpt"]Charles III has been proclaimed as king at a ceremony at St James's Palace.

Charles became king immediately following the death of his mother Queen Elizabeth II, but a historic meeting formally confirmed his role on Saturday. The Accession Council, a body made up of senior politicians, judges and officials, proclaimed him as the monarch in the State Apartments.

It is the first time the historic ceremony has been televised. The King himself was not present to begin with, but he attended the second part of the ceremony to hold his first Privy Council meeting.

Clerk of the Privy Council Richard Tilbrook proclaimed Charles "King, head of the Commonwealth, defender of the faith", before declaring "God Save the King". The packed room, including the Queen Consort, the Prince of Wales and Prime Minister Liz Truss, repeated back the phrase.

[jalan48]

1. Sweet.

[twodogsbarking]

2. Weird.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Familiar...

AND

What's the foundational difference in terms of the pomp and circumstance?

[Sogo]

17. "My Country Tis of Thee" was written as a dig at the

English Empire, using their national anthem music....

[BumRushDaShow]

18. The tune itself had been of uncertain origin

even before the Brits used it for their anthem.

And "My Country Tis Of Thee" was around as a popular "anthem" before the "Star Spangled Banner" was adopted as the "official" national anthem.

The music back then was repurposed for other songs quite a bit (you can find that the case with some of the Christmas carols).

Of course nowadays you get sued for doing that if not licensed.

[Sogo]

20. Yes, the tune was around and the Brits adopted it for their anthem long before the words

of "My Country Tis of Thee," and that was the point. We had defeated the Brits, and then we took their anthem and sang "sweet land of liberty" and, especially, "....let freedom ring," instead of "God save the King."

[BumRushDaShow]

21. In this thread

I have given a pile of examples of how the "founders" of this country took almost everything that was "ceremonial" from Britain, stripped it of mention of the monarchy, and adopted as its own.

FIRST DAY OF OFFICE





(I know the history teachers are having a ball! )

[CountAllVotes]

13. ...

[Hugin]

4. My Dad told me he was in Paris during QEII's coronation...

My folks tried to get into London. But, if they had, they would have had to sleep on the street.

He said there were TVs (a new thing) in Paris televising the event. I suppose they didn’t show the ceremony. Instead showing the processions. However, TV was there.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. My mother was 22 at the time (tuning 23 later that year)

and said it was a big thing around the world, and particularly here in the U.S. because of the circumstances that lead up to that (Wallis Simpson thing ).

[plimsoll]

14. No they were inside the Cathedral as well,

but long shots from from the galleries. Not a big fan of Phillip, but he understood how important it would be to Great Britain and QE2 to make the most of the ceremony.

[Farmer-Rick]

6. I never understood the "god save the king" stuff

So, the queen has just died and the citizens turn and say, "god save the king". God just let the queen die why do you think he's going to save the next monarch?

It always felt to me like, ok one down, bring out their replacement and this time god will do a better job of keeping the next monarch alive. But god never does save them.....weird.

[murielm99]

8. How about

"peaceful transition of power?" They have not aways had that. Maybe that is a plea or a prayer for a peaceful transition of power.

We could use some of the same.

I am not being sarcastic. The phrase is tradition. Tradition is not always bad.

[Farmer-Rick]

10. You can have a peaceful transition

Without asking a god to save the current monarch.

But honestly, peaceful transitions are not a common feature of an unlimited monarchy. Luckily the British have put some restrictions on their monarchy.

I understand it's an old fashioned saying that has become habit. I think most people don't think about what the words really mean. Yeah, you are probably right, it may be just a prayer.

But it has always bothered me how quickly they move on to asking a god to protect the new monarch, when the last one wasn't really all that well protected.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. It is one of the reasons why this country (former "colonies" ) broke away

The monarchy was supposedly birthed from god through the church and that monarch actually serves as the titular head of that church.

All we did here was "repurpose" what was in place there, strip the crown from the leadership role, but kept pretty much everything else "ceremonially".

Which is why this also happened in a middle of a pandemic at the Biden/Harris Inauguration -

They will eventually do with her, like they did Edward VI (which hasn't been done in 70 years) -



and like we did with Raygun -



and yes Lincoln -

[Polybius]

19. I don't think the saying literally means forever

God let her reign for 70 years and live until 96, so I think most are grateful.

[LeftInTX]

26. Our national anthem is about a flag...a freak'n flag!

The president says, "So help me God" at swearing in.

Our kids say, "one nation under God" every day.

I'm not worried about it. Bigger fish to fry!!

[BumRushDaShow]

28. Ironically

when the announcement came there in London, the Philadelphia Orchestra had been on tour there that week at the Royal Albert Hall and had been performing. They ended up performing "God Save the Queen" and "Nimrod" before exiting (since the show would be ended and the final performance on Friday was cancelled).

My city "representin'" almost 150 years after declaring independence!

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[cab67]

7. Pretty sure I know the answer, but just to make sure...

Did Prince William instantly become Prince of Wales when his father instantly became king?

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Charles automatically became King upon his mother's death

Once that was done, he designated his son to be Prince of Wales. I believe that all happened with the Ascension Ceremony this morning (I caught some of it), where he also swore oaths and became the official head of the churches. And that was officially proclaimed to world afterwards.

They said this was the first time ever that this particular ceremony that occurred at St. James Palace had been broadcast (and made public).

Then he did some interesting "administrative" stuff as his first acts - declaring bank holidays and agreeing to the changes of he official seals as requested in writing from various parts of the UK and their Commonwealth countries. It reminded me of President Biden signing his stack of E.O.s once he was Inaugurated and had arrived at the White House.

There is a lot of stuff that is going to have be done.

[catrose]

12. In his first speech, the king declared William the Prince of Wales

So it's not automatic, like Charles becoming king at his mother's last breath. I don't know if the UK has ever broken tradition and not declared the eldest son Prince of Wales and heir to the throne.

Elizabeth was one of two sisters. She was the Princess Royal; I'm guessing there was no Prince of Wales during her childhood years.

[BuddhaGirl]

15. Elizabeth was never Princess Royal

The previous Princess Royal was Elizabeth's aunt. Now her daughter Anne is Princess Royal.

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. Actually, Elizabeth wasn't given the "Princess Royal" title

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Royal

It traditionally goes to the eldest daughter of the monarch, but unlike the 'Prince of Wales' title, it has stayed with them (if they're alive) after their brother has succeeded. That can mean in some cases it skips a generation, and gets complicated.

King Edward VII's daughter Louise got in in 1905, and lived until 1931 - after Elizabeth was born. But then the title went to Elizabeth's aunt Mary (daughter of the reigning George V), who held it from 1932 to 1965 - after her brother George VI died. So it was never 'available' for Elizabeth. She didn't award the title to her daughter Anne until 1987 (by which time she was about 37).

You're right that there was no Prince (or Princess) of Wales between Edward VIII giving it up on becoming king, and Charles getting it (apparently when he was 9, though the ceremony for it didn't happen until he was an adult).

Looking at the official list, the only times since it was instituted for the son of Edward I (the future Edward II) that the eldest son hasn't got it were Edward II's own son (perhaps they hadn't decided it was a tradition then); Henry V's son, who succeeded him as Henry VI under the age of one (they don't do it right on birth); and Edward VI, son of Henry VIII, who is surprisingly not listed - he was 9 when his father died, but Henry VIII was one for titles, so you'd think he'd have given it to his son early.

[catrose]

23. Sorry for saying Elizabeth was Princess Royal. It usually goes to a favored eldest princess,

but as others pointed out, Elizabeth's aunt already had the title. (I'm sure Bertie would have given it to his beloved daughter if possible.)

[obamanut2012]

34. He technically still has to have his investiture in Wales

Within a few months, just like Charles will be coronated after mourning. But, as others said, the title is not automatic, the new Monarch has to state it thus, which C3 did.

[LeftInTX]

22. No crown? LOL

I think that comes at another ceremony, but I laugh thinking of Charles with a crown on his head!

[BumRushDaShow]

25. The Coronation (which will be another big production) will be who knows when!

And this was him when he got his crown at his investiture as "Prince of Wales" -



That happened in 1969 (a year before my family actually traveled there on vacation in 1970).

(which means Will may go through the same at some point in the future)

[LeftInTX]

27. He looks dorky! LOL

But he has always looked dorky

I remember my mom would say, "Prince Charles is the world's most eligible bachelor"...

That didn't age too well...

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Yup that's what he was

in one respect, he was just like his youngest son... which is why my mother used to say (and I still believe) that he didn't really want the crown. Harry did what he did because he wasn't in direct line, but Charles was and probably didn't want to be, and was just as rebellious.

I'm finally seeing some chatter that suggests he'll be in that role briefly (I suppose to see the entire transition through to the end) and then hand it over to William.

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. I think that chatter is wrong

His first speech talked of "lifelong service":

Speaking with “feelings of profound sorrow”, he said: “Queen Elizabeth’s was a life well-lived, a promise with destiny kept, and she is mourned most deeply in her passing. That promise of lifelong service I renew to you all today.”
...
“As the Queen herself did with such unswerving devotion, I too now solemnly pledge myself, throughout the remaining time God grants me, to uphold the constitutional principles at the heart of our nation.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/king-charles-vows-to-serve-with-loyalty-respect-and-love-in-address-to-nation

[BumRushDaShow]

33. Of course he would say that

The minute he was born as the oldest son to the Queen, he was destined to be and groomed to take over as "King".

He would be a fool to come right out and bid adieu before his mother is laid to rest. He is literally steeped and marinated in the process and meaning of that role. However, he is also historically the oldest monarch there to finally take over the position, which should give one pause.

Still, generationally, the British royal family(s) is (are) the veritable and quintessential soap opera, going back centuries!

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. The thing is, this "chatter" is people who know squat about the man or Royal Family

assuming that they would mislead the public like that, as if they're politicians, when they'd have no need to. If he did think he'd abdicate some time, then he'd just not have said "lifelong" or "for my remaining time". It's not like he needs votes and has to make promises he doesn't intend to keep. But he said it, so why think he's lying?

[BumRushDaShow]

36. "But he said it, so why think he's lying?"

He's very cognizant of the many centuries-long history of Britain and knows without that monarchical function, they would be "just another European country". It's a claim to fame steeped in tradition. There are just a tiny handful of European monarchs left but Britain's is certainly the grandest and most visible. But peeling back the veil of mystic with making public the Ascension Ceremony is already marking a shift. He'll be 74 in 2 months and I think he is going to be spending a lot time getting his son ready for whenever the time comes.

[milestogo]

24. Its nice to have a spectacle every now and then.

[leftyladyfrommo]

30. I was watching part of that. The British really know

how to do pomp. I love the horses.

A new king is a very big deal.
.

[Mysterian]

32. Imagine a system in which these clowns have actual power

I pity anyone who had to suffer a monarchy or dictatorship.

[Yavin4]

37. Sorry Rhaenyra...n/t