Gun maker Remington moves to Georgia in $100M, 856-job deal

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By JEFF AMY

ATLANTA (AP) — Gun maker Remington Firearms will move its headquarters from Ilion, New York, to Georgia, with plans to open a factory and research operation there.

The company announced Monday that it would invest $100 million in the operation in LaGrange, Georgia, southwest of Atlanta, hiring 856 people over five years.

It was not immediately clear what effect the transfer would have on Remington’s operations in New York and Tennessee. The company owns the parts of the former Remington Outdoor Co. which make rifles, shotguns and some handguns after the former parent auctioned its assets in pieces last year during a bankruptcy proceeding in Alabama.

Investors doing business as the Roundhill Group purchased the Remington-branded gun-making business, including operations in Ilion, New York, and Lenoir City, Tennessee for $13 million.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/business-new-york-georgia-atlanta-26a002fba34b6738a020a42b5589aa8e

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Research??? It is a gun that kills people. How much research do they need?

[Hoyt]

1. You gotta add little improvements that keep rube gun-humpers buying.

They are probably researching whether a Rittenhouse signed rifle will sell better than a George Zimmerman signature pistol.

[Cryptoad]

2. They ties a simular move to Alabama....

had sweet deal from State and City of Huntvilles... but it failed after they were unable to find enough skilled machinist willing to work for less that the Union wages machinist make on Gubermint contracts aroiund Huntsville.......

[eppur_se_muova]

24. But you know all those tax breaks are sure to be returned to AL ! nt

[Fred Garvin]

3. Big blow to their NY facility

The new plant will probably use a lot of hands-off CNC operations.
Little need for employees, other than to feed the line and do menial assembly.

[Ford_Prefect]

4. YOu have to wonder if they won't figure a way to get H1-b Techs to replace the US skilled machinists

[Fred Garvin]

7. No need for skilled machinists

The plant is going to be full CNC and robotic assembly.

No need for US skilled machinists.

[Ford_Prefect]

8. You have to wonder why they didn't just off-shore it?

Oh, yeah! That darn bit about importing weapons of mass destruction.

[Dial H For Hero]

9. Firearms aren't illegal to import, they're not WMD''s.

[Ford_Prefect]

13. Recent events would tend to argue otherwise...

[Dial H For Hero]

15. WMD's are by definition nuclear, biological, or chemical in nature. The term is strictly defined.

[AndyS]

17. "The term is strictly defined."

A weapon of mass destruction is a nuclear, radiological, chemical, biological, or other device that is intended to harm a large number of people.

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/weapons-mass-destruction

Seems like a LOT of wiggle room there, Hero. Care to argue about what constitutes 'a large number'? Would about 30,000 people a year dead and 140,000 injured constitute a 'large number'? Or would 60 dead and 411 injured in a single event constitute a large number? Just how large a number is large enough to qualify?

Oh, but never mind, some are so hopelessly involved in senseless minutia that human life is but a distraction . . . as long as no guns are harmed or have their rights restricted.

[EX500rider]

19. By your definition cars would be weapons of mass destruction also

[AndyS]

21. Argue with DHS. In other words take your logical fallacy elsewhere . . .

[EX500rider]

22. lol

WMD's are when a single weapon kills thousands or millions of people, that's why conventional bombing is not a use of WMD's.

[AndyS]

25. Ok, you set definition of 'large number' at thousands or millions.

Would you argue that Tim McVeigh didn't use a weapon of mass destruction?

It just depends on semantics and I have to ask if it takes thousands or millions to pat attention?

How many definitions of Mass Destruction are there? UN, DHS, Geneva?

What the gunners seem to miss is that a lot of people die in the US from an almost entirely preventable cause.

OH! SQUIRREL! SHINEY SQUIRREL! Look over there, it's not about this, it's about that! Let's not talk about the elephant in the room, lets argue about who's definition we use.

Keep posting, it just makes my point about guns and those who love them so.

[EX500rider]

30. Actually my point was

If conventional bombing which can kill thousands and thousands isn't a use of wmds neither are use of individual firearms.
And no one considers conventional bombing a use of wmds.

[AndyS]

34. So I guess we agree that the manipulation of definitions is not a lot more than

mental masturbation. If killing with conventional explosives is not a use of WMD but use of this other device to to the same thing isn't what's the point of discussing such things?

If one device (ak-47) is used to kill 250,000 people a year is not a weapon of mass destruction and if blowing up a government building with rental truck and fertilizer is not a weapon of mass destruction, what's the point in niggling over such a definition?

Is it not really about the humanity of it all?

[Dial H For Hero]

23. The General Assembly of the UN defined the term in 1977. Not much wiggle room, is there?

https://unrcpd.org/wmd/

In 1977, the General Assembly, through its resolution A/RES/32/84-B, affirmed the definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction as “[…] atomic explosive weapons, radioactive material weapons, lethal chemical and biological weapons, and any weapons developed in the future which might have characteristics comparable in destructive effect to those of the atomic bomb or other weapons mentioned above.”

Weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) constitute a class of weaponry with the potential to:

Produce in a single moment an enormous destructive effect capable to kill millions of civilians, jeopardize the natural environment, and fundamentally alter the lives of future generations through their catastrophic effects;

Cause death or serious injury of people through toxic or poisonous chemicals;

Disseminate disease-causing organisms or toxins to harm or kill humans, animals or plants;

Deliver nuclear explosive devices, chemical, biological or toxin agents to use them for hostile purposes or in armed conflict.

(end of excerpt)

A rifle hardly fits that definition.

Also, using a WMD to harm people is, rather unsurprisingly, a crime of the highest order in the US. Question: How many people have been convicted of using a WMD after using a firearm?

If the number is zero, why do you suppose that is?

Tens of thousands are killed using knives worldwide every year. Are knives WMD's? If not, why not?

[AndyS]

26. Well, MY defining of WMD in newer than YOUR definition of WMD

so it must be more current and therefore more applicable, right? Besides, it's local and not from some foreign organization like the UN. Or would you like to go back to WW II and use that one?

Every year it is estimated that 250,000 people are killed with the AK-47. A rifle. One kind of rifle. How many by explosives, nuclear or intentionally released chemical or biological agents every year? If lives matter and you could only remove one item from the earth which would you choose?

Gunners are fun to make fun of and the more they make themselves public the more they do for sensible gun restrictions. Keep posting and keep running off down rabbit holes about definitions. Please!

[Dial H For Hero]

27. You didn't answer my questions. Please do, and I'll be happy to answer yours.

I'll repeat them for your convenience:

Using a WMD to harm people is, rather unsurprisingly, a crime of the highest order in the US. Question: How many people have been convicted of using a WMD after using a firearm?

If the number is zero, why do you suppose that is?

Tens of thousands are killed using knives worldwide every year. Are knives WMD's? If not, why not?

Gunners are fun to make fun of and the more they make themselves public the more they do for sensible gun restrictions.

Are you under the impression that our debates have the slightest impact on the real world? No minds are being changed here.

[AndyS]

28. You didn't answer my questions. Please do, and I'll be happy to answer yours?

Ya' wanna play that game? Sure, it's better than actually paying attention to the challenge put to you.

So if it's "you answer me, then I'll answer you" why don't you answer my questions to you in my first response to the subthread?

Cut n paste for ya':

Care to argue about what constitutes 'a large number'? Would about 30,000 people a year dead and 140,000 injured constitute a 'large number'? Or would 60 dead and 411 injured in a single event constitute a large number? Just how large a number is large enough to qualify?

Want to play by our own rules?

You guys are so easy . . .

[Dial H For Hero]

29. Happy to do so.

For the purpose of definition, a WMD must be a single weapon capable of causing of causing thousands of deaths via a single instance of its use. An rifle cannot be used to do that

Your turn.

[AndyS]

41. Not the question I asked.

Care to argue about what constitutes 'a large number'? Would about 30,000 people a year dead and 140,000 injured constitute a 'large number'? Or would 60 dead and 411 injured in a single event constitute a large number? Just how large a number is large enough to qualify?

And you are still operating off a definition that is obsolete. 1977 vs DHS 2000s.

Look, lets just face the facts that this is nothing more than gamesmanship and word play. We should be talking about lives lost and what to do about it instead of mind fucking with each other.

We are talking about real people with real lives and real suffering. At least I am, not sure what's important to you.

personal note... would have answered faster but this reply was to wrong reply in the thread so I didn't see it.

[LiberatedUSA]

39. If they really are weapons of mass destruction...

…then stop excluding the cops from bans on them, as all gun legislation excludes the cops. You remember them? 2020 was spent protesting their abuse and murder in the street.

So if you are ok with gun control that excludes the cops from being banned from carrying AR-15s, then what you are saying is:

“I don’t trust cops not to kill us, but I want them better armed with guns I feel are weapons of mass destruction; and that logic makes sense to me. Now off to another protest of a cop murdering someone.”

[AndyS]

42. Well, there are 390,000,000 plus firearms in the hands of civilians and

6,000,000 in the hands of military and police.

If we are to disarm I suggest you gunners start first.

[EX500rider]

43. "If we are to disarm I suggest you gunners start first."

Start with disarming criminals before law abiding citizens.

[AndyS]

44. I just wish someone would protect me from law abiding citizens.

Every gun in circulation was originally purchased legally. Find a way to keep those legally purchased guns, bought by law abiding citizens, out of the hands of criminals.

Still, 390,000,000 to 6,000,000 is a hefty ratio don't ya' think? So before we disarm the police I suggest we at least even the playing field. Oh, I have an idea! Lets store all civilian guns the way we store military guns! Yeah, that's the ticket.

[EX500rider]

47. "Lets store all civilian guns the way we store military guns!"

Yes that will come in handy if someone starts kicking down my door at 4am

According to the FBI, the U.S. Department of Justice, and other reputable sources, in the United States:

One property crime happens every 4 seconds.
One burglary occurs every 20 seconds.
One violent crime occurs every 25 seconds.
One aggravated assault occurs every 45 seconds.
One robbery occurs every 90 seconds.
One rape or attempted rape occurs every 5 minutes.

Home Invasion Crime Statistics and Facts:
According to a United States Department of Justice report:
38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.
Over 2,000,000 homes will experience a break-in or burglary this year.
There are over 4,500 home burglaries per day in the United States.
The average number of home invasions per year was 1,030,000 between 1994 and 2010.

[AndyS]

48. There are 390,000,000 guns in civilian hands in the US.

There are only 325,000,000 people in the US.

If guns are the answer I don't seem to understand the question?????

On the other hand, using another government source, what would have happened if all those home invasions were met with a gun? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within Philadelphia, PA, from 2003 to 2006. We adjusted odds ratios for confounding variables.
Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05).

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

It seems that when guns are used to resist MORE victims are shot than not. On the other hand if all those guns which were originally purchased legally by law abiding citizens weren't diverted to the criminal sector (assuming none of those statistics involved a legally purchased gun by a law abiding citizen) you wouldn't need to 'protect yourself'.

You're not helping yourself quoting statistics. They aren't on your side.

[EX500rider]

49. You are free to throw yourself on the mercy of armed criminals..

...others may not be as trusting.

[AndyS]

50. And you are free to put youself and your family at 5 times the risk of death or injury

by having a gun in the home.

I can't control if someone invades my home home but I can read the statistics and reduce the threat by a factor of five.

Let fear run your life, I'll let science run mine.

Besides, for what you spend on your placebo you can get a security system with alarm to keep your bogey man away or buy a dog and have affection as a freebie.

[EX500rider]

51. You mistake preparedness for fear

I have a fire extinguisher and a smoke alarm and yet I don't live in fear of a fire either

[AndyS]

52. You mistake a gun for safety which is statistically

far from true.

Go ahead and live live as you will, anti maskers and anti vaxxers do so why not?

[LiberatedUSA]

45. It is like when certain guns are referred to as terrible for self defense.

Then the cops do not need them either, after all their job is all about self defense. If you say a gun isn’t good for self defense, then that sounds like nobody needs it then. Sorta like the times President Biden has referred to these weapons has only belonging on a battlefield. Well, if that were a true statement, gun legislation he is for should include police.

Or to put it another way:

Anyone that feels these guns are terrible for self defense, only good for mass murder and only belong on the battlefield, yet wants the public to hand theirs over so the same cops that like to kill the pubic are the only ones with that technology….well that sounds like being glutton for punishment.


Another favorite:

If the public doesn’t need a 30-round magazine, then the cops (who can call back up while the public can’t) do not need one either.

It is just weird to say all these things are just for helping murder, then ensuring the same group of people protested for murdering the public are the only ones with that level of technology.

[AndyS]

46. That is such a tired load of fetid dingo's kidneys,

Sheesh, I've never heard such a crock.

1) Police do not use such weapons defensively, they are on the offence as are soldiers in combat. That is what such weapons are designed for, to put killing fire on an enemy. Remember that the basest mission of the military is tear things up and kill people and THAT is what such guns are designed for.

2) Police have such weapons because YOU have such weapons. 390,000,000 of them against 6,000,000 in all the police and military combined. If YOU didn't have such a massive arsenal they wouldn't have one. Remember, in 1997 when police didn't have such weapons? Remember when the bank robbers in Hollywood had assault rifles and the police had .38 special service pistols? Up until that point police didn't have such offensive weapons of war. It was the civilians that forced them to arm up.

So, no, if you want the police to disarm just reverse the process that got us in this unholy situation. Stand down your armed force that outnumbers the police 65 to 1.

[marble falls]

10. I don't know what machine shop you're involved with, but CNC and robotics programing require ...

... trained machinists.

[Ford_Prefect]

14. Last time I checked they do... GA doesn't support union labor, skilled or otherwise.

[marble falls]

16. Aaaaand that means there's no trained or skilled machinists in GA?????

[Ford_Prefect]

35. It means they aren't being paid the same as union members in PA.

GA doesn't support union labor, skilled or otherwise.

I never suggested nor stated there were no skilled machinists in GA. I agreed that CNC machines need a skilled machinist to program them correctly.

Last time I checked they do...

[Evolve Dammit]

18. do you have actual information? Not a bad guess if not.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

53. Like much industry, some machinists will train in CNC technology, ...

... and most will seek employment elsewhere.

Factory parking lots are tiny, or empty, compared to half a century ago.

CNC, robotic welding, robotic painting, a lot of good (union) jobs are long gone.

[4Q2u2]

5. People were forever Screaming

About other Countries stealing Jobs from Americans.
What is worse? Foreigners stealing jobs from someone whom they know nothing about.
Or so called Patriots stealing jobs from fellow Americans.

[EX500rider]

12. "Or so called Patriots stealing jobs from fellow Americans"

What job stealing?
Companies ARE allowed to move their production facilities within the US if they so desire aren't they?
And I imagine they offered all their current employees their jobs at the new location, if they don't want to move they have to hire new employees don't they? The new hires aren't stealing anyone's job, it is a job vacancy.

[Calista241]

6. Like any mechanical device, guns can be and are improved over time.

R&D results in better designs and use of better materials.

Without this kind of research and development, you end up with rifles like the early Vietnam era M16. That rifle didn't have a chrome lined chamber. The Army also started using ammunition with a different type of powder than that recommended by Armalite, the manufacturer. Both problems combined led to a jamming issue and HUGE reliability problem that required every soldier and Marine deployed to clean their rifles several times daily.

This R&D is the reason we're not using muskets with ball ammunition, or even the original bow and arrow.

There's a motto in almost any modern industry, that if you're not innovating, you're falling behind. Just looking at the pace of weapons development over the last 1/2 century. There's no reason to believe that we've reached the pinnacle of weapons design, and if we don't make the investments required, some other country will. And then they will have a decisive advantage over our military in any armed conflict.

[melm00se]

11. A firearm is

like any precision machine.

Parts need to fit together and must meet strength and durability requirements.

A round of ammo can generate tens of thousands pounds per square inch and have to fit to a precision of thousandths of an inch. That does not just happen by accident.

[Martin68]

32. If you're talking 44,000 lbs/sq.in. the .357 magnum pistol cartridge had that in the 50s.

[melm00se]

36. Shall we dazzle each other

with firearms and ammunition trivia?

Seriously tho, anytime a firearm design is changed, it requires research to ensure that it does not blow up in the user's face. Ditto for changes in the manufacturing process and/or materials used.

[Martin68]

40. Are you dazzled! Wow!

[UGADawg]

20. Like the KIA plant it's next to the Alabama border.

So many of the workers will live in Alabama and pay Alabama taxes.

[Martin68]

31. I wonder what Georgia offered to sweeten the deal.

[Calista241]

33. Looks like $3k per job filled

Remington could claim various state tax breaks, including an income tax credit allowing it to annually deduct $3,000 per job from state income taxes, up to $12.8 million over five years, as long as workers make at least $28,000 a year. The state will also pay to train workers, but declined to detail the entire incentive package, saying it was not complete yet.

https://apnews.com/article/business-new-york-georgia-atlanta-26a002fba34b6738a020a42b5589aa8e

[twodogsbarking]

37. Claim bankruptcy, sell assets at a discount,

stick the creditors, claim it is just an accounting move and reopen soon thereafter.

'merica.

[Zeitghost]

54. The name and logos are the same

But it's a completely different company now, actually companies. The various parts of the old Remington were carved up and sold off to various other parties.

[myohmy2]

38. does that mean...

...a Yankee gun maker has turned confederate?

"Research??? It is a gun that kills people. How much research do they need?"

...there's always room for improvement...