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Contrary to stories on KFI yesterday, the two women shot were not Asian but Latinas. It was a mother and daughter delivering papers.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/08/16900348-women-shot-during-lapd-ex-cop-manhunt-had-no-warning-lawyer-says
Updated at 5:59 p.m. ET: A mother and daughter who were mistakenly shot by Los Angeles police hunting for rampage suspect Christopher Dorner had no warning before bullets started whizzing through their newspaper-delivery truck, their lawyer said Friday.
"No command, no instruction, no warning. They just opened fire on them," said Glen Jonas, who is representing Emma Hernandez, 71, and Margie Carranza, 47, in possible legal action against the Los Angeles Police Department.
"They had no idea what was going on. They're huddling, covering up and praying and hoping they're not going to die."
Both women survived. Hernandez, shot in the back, was in good condition Friday. Her daughter suffered a hand injury and is physically fine but emotionally scarred, Jonas said.

SunSeeker
(57,000 posts)
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Their attorney was on KFI and even the hard-core drive time hosts offered to send money for a new truck.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-shootings-newspaper-carriers.html
"The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man," Jonas said.
Officials seeking Dorner describe him as black, 6 feet tall and weighing 270 pounds.
"We trust that the LAPD will step up and do the right thing and acknowledge that what they did was unacceptable, and we'll deal with it," Jonas said.
JI7
(92,822 posts)shoot based on "large black man" type of description.
i saw on guy on the news yesterday who people suspected could be the guy. he was black and large but otherwise looked nothing like dorner. i felt bad for him but he just seemed kind of relieved he was ok then. i'm pretty sure someone like him is used to dealing with cops just based on being a black man. but in this case he could have easily been killed by some incompetent like the cops who shot at the women.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I hope they sue LAPDs balls to the wall.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)and indefinitely. WE can't have shoot-first-ask-questions-later Rambo-wannabes patrolling our streets. This incident is inexcusable (although many here are trying to do just that - make excuses for these imbeciles).
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is good for the women, LAPD...not so much.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Those cops may have broken every rule in the book, and should not only be fired but have criminal charges filed.
sasha031
(6,700 posts)I hope they sue they hell out of the LAPD, no one is safe in S Ca.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)If Los Angeles is bright, they will pick up the medical costs, get them a brand spanking new truck and settle out of court...it will be cheaper that way.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)JI7
(92,822 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)They should be charged with attempted murder.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)And I do....
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The scary part is...they make them.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)
JohnnyBoots
(2,969 posts)Never have to work another day in their long lives.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)It is inexcusable and unacceptable for police officers to open fire without seeing a visible threat or identifying the person. Those poor women looked NOTHING like the suspect.
Unfortunately the likelihood of them receiving something other then a proverbial slap on the wrist is small.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)FourScore
(9,704 posts)and never have to work another day in their lives!
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)... they're going to handle this guy if they find him.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)1. Arrested by police in another state for another reason, then discovering his identity while already in custody.
2. MAYBE if the FBI gets ahold of him first.
rocktivity
(44,935 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:27 PM - Edit history (1)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef017d40da0bf1970c-640wiNote that the truck is still in the middle of the street -- they weren't even asked to pull over.

rocktivity
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Bullet riddled, and from behind.
woodsprite
(12,503 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...they saw who was driving. It was predawn (still dark) and these guys were guarding the home of someone who they thought the killer was targeting. They see a truck moving slowly, no lights on--meaning that it's not only hard to see the truck (it's color, etc), but who is driving it. They assume it's their guy come to kill those they're guarding. And so they start shooting.
All of which makes what they did a little more understandable if not forgivable.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)On edge, on guard duty, on the look out for a killer with a lot of deadly weapons and willing to shoot and kill police. To these guys they *were* at a checkpoint in Afghanistan--on the look out and prepared for someone they saw as a terrorist armed to the teeth and ready to kill them all.
Now, were they right to think that way? In a quiet Torrance neighborhood, no. They weren't right to think that way; it made them trigger happy, made them forget their training, made them paranoid and irrational. And, hence, they shot up a truck driven by two innocent women.
But I don't see how any of that makes what they did beyond understanding. It's very easy to UNDERSTAND why they started shooting. If we can understand why psychotic killers kill or terrorists plant bombs or soldiers under great stress might go on killing rampages we can certainly understand why these police started shooting.
That is what I meant by "understandable." Did you think I mean something else, because your response wasn't reasonable given what I said.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....if you think that's "unreasonable", so be it.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)If you have no intention of qualifying your opinion, what's the point?
He wasn't excusing their actions. He was just trying to figure out why the cops would have done something like this. You deride him for showing a little empathy? Christ, how childlish.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)PA Democrat
(13,412 posts)has no business in uniform. NONE.
tama
(9,137 posts)for people in Afganistan etc. Otheristans killed and maimed at checkpoints.
We others are so much less human that Americans, thanks again for reminding.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....so that others can understand what you're trying to say.
tama
(9,137 posts)But can you imagine how some guy in Afganistan whose loved ones were killed at US checkpoint would read your comment: "That wasn't a checkpoint in Afghanistan."
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)tama
(9,137 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)That's the way I took your words anyway, perhaps you meant what you said in some other way though.
MH1
(18,939 posts)It probably would have been better if he'd said "war zone" instead of "Afghanistan".
From the post he replied to:
Then claims this makes the cop's actions "understandable".
I'll admit, I haven't read all these details in the news. But this is the argument being made: that the cops were justified in shooting up the truck because it was dark (couldn't see who was inside) and truck was moving toward them with no lights on. Now, put yourself as an army private at a checkpoint in a war zone, and a car is coming toward you with its lights off. No, you probably aren't supposed to just start shooting (I seem to remember a bad case where that happened, and it was awful), but if we are talking understandable it is closer to that realm in a war zone. But in a residential neighborhood? WTF?
That's how I read it. I can see how others would read it differently. But I try not to assume the worst of other posters, when it is more likely just that their point was badly stated.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It was the dismissive "whatever" that prompted my reply to an earlier post.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Paper deliverers drive about 10 mph. There's no evidence to suggest they were fleeing. And the women's lawyer says there was no command to stop, and I assume the cops didn't turn on their flashers or sirens. It was an ambush, plain and simple, and the cops had the wrong persons.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Which, in case some are still confused, is the reason others of us are freaking appalled at this whole "It's okay to kill Americans if you think they are bad" argument.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)or some other tropical location with the money they should win after this treatment.
plethoro
(594 posts)then West Hollywood. I have seen Rampart Division do things that I could not believe. They shot these women in cold blood and I hope they fry for it.
rickyhall
(5,484 posts)Damn, bullets bounce off cars on tv right?
frylock
(34,825 posts)they had the authority
to kill a minority
Beaverhausen
(24,669 posts)Threatened in Dorner's manifesto. I guess the cops just assumed it was him. I hope the women recover fully.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Not open fire and ask questions later.
Catherine Vincent
(34,587 posts)Have those officers been fired yet?
Cha
(315,169 posts)be bad. So lucky to be alive and I hope they get well compensated for being shot by the police.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)Thank God these women weren't killed. I hope they get a nice settlement from the LAPD, and be set for life financially.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)mmmkay
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I thought I had read there was another shooting like this where someone was mistaken for the guy they are looking for. Is that the case or am I confusing the two situations.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Thankfully weapons skills by LAPD are way deficient. In that case they missed, badly.
Dawson Leery
(19,494 posts)with these actions.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Does the Constitution even mention "warning before shooting". Jeez.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)High power, large-capacity, semi-automatic and automatic weapons should only be in the hands of those who can be trusted to use them responsibly, and not fall prey to hot emotion.
Like the police.
steve2470
(37,468 posts)LAPD Chief Charlie Beck arranges car donation for women whose truck was shot by police in Torrance, mistaken for Chris Dorner's truck
https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/300448711987822593
10:38 PM - 9 Feb 13