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It appears our Government is lying to us about the Iran war... (Original Post) spanone 10 hrs ago OP
Oh My! malaise 10 hrs ago #1
I know, it's SHOCKING!!!! spanone 10 hrs ago #2
I'm shocked I tell you, shocked! ananda 6 hrs ago #28
We are at a place in time where we can no longer believe or trust in the government. How sad. Katinfl 10 hrs ago #3
I believe and trust the current administration... sindri 9 hrs ago #11
Well, can anybody identify any clear lies the Iranians have told since Trump started bombing? Bluetus 7 hrs ago #24
Or... the Iranians are gaslighting? There is no way we can know. Srkdqltr 10 hrs ago #4
That's my response as well EdmondDantes_ 9 hrs ago #6
Time will tell Kaleva 9 hrs ago #7
Here's my take, which is speculation based on the track record in this sorry mess: Martin Eden 8 hrs ago #18
On target Nasruddin 7 hrs ago #25
They had to send amateurs, they fired most of the career diplomatic officials sboatcar 7 hrs ago #27
Our Government Lying? Timewas 9 hrs ago #5
I know, amazing. Srkdqltr 9 hrs ago #8
The governmennt lying, death, taxes. You get it. twodogsbarking 9 hrs ago #9
When it is more prudent to believe a spokesman for the Iranian regime... Martin Eden 9 hrs ago #10
The Trump administration lied? Ray Bruns 9 hrs ago #12
"It appears our Government is lying to us about....." PatSeg 8 hrs ago #13
That would be a very, very short list. state of stupid 8 hrs ago #20
Absolutely PatSeg 8 hrs ago #21
*--* Gasp! *--* lastlib 8 hrs ago #14
Yup. Their lips were moving... Martin68 8 hrs ago #15
As there's no real or measurable benefit otherwise, I'll presume Torchlight 8 hrs ago #16
NO! SergeStorms 8 hrs ago #17
The Iranians are telling truth. Our piece of s___ Republicans are LYING ! dave99 8 hrs ago #19
Ya Think? MineralMan 8 hrs ago #22
trmp has proven that he is the most prodigious liar of all times. spanone 7 hrs ago #23
It's not a good situation when reports from both sides are unreliable. Ocelot II 7 hrs ago #26
Now ask IAEA Chief Grossi. moondust 6 hrs ago #29
Vance, lying. Damn, I'm shocked. republianmushroom 6 hrs ago #30
Really weird: public radio this morning snot 5 hrs ago #31

Katinfl

(938 posts)
3. We are at a place in time where we can no longer believe or trust in the government. How sad.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 08:40 AM
10 hrs ago

sindri

(74 posts)
11. I believe and trust the current administration...
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:46 AM
9 hrs ago

to always lie and act only in their own self-interest especially if it involves cruelty to others.

Bluetus

(3,273 posts)
24. Well, can anybody identify any clear lies the Iranians have told since Trump started bombing?
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:03 AM
7 hrs ago

It is not wise to trust anybody with a vested interest in anything. But practically everything Trump has said since the beginning of this "excursion" has been a lie. I am trying to recall any similar lies that have come from the Iranians.

Srkdqltr

(10,128 posts)
4. Or... the Iranians are gaslighting? There is no way we can know.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 08:41 AM
10 hrs ago

Just have to believe the side you trust. Oh ✋️ wait we can't trust either side.

EdmondDantes_

(2,272 posts)
6. That's my response as well
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:10 AM
9 hrs ago

When all sides are known liars, it's best to not trust any of them.

Martin Eden

(16,035 posts)
18. Here's my take, which is speculation based on the track record in this sorry mess:
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 10:21 AM
8 hrs ago

Readmission of inspectors was discussed as a possibility during current negotiations, but no actual agreement or protocols were reached at this time.

Vance is lying because the administration is desperate to show that Iran is making concessions. The Iranian spokesman is factually correct, but not telling the whole story.

Diplomatically, Vance claiming the concession has already been made when it has not, makes the concession less likely.

Trump sent amateurs to handle extremely difficult negotiations, and he handicaps them with lies, insults, and unhinged vascillating rhetoric which includes threats that violate the MOU -- actually threatening the lives of the negotiators.

The whole world sees this. It's painful to think about the depth and breadth of harm to America's reputation, and how long it may take to earn respect and trust again.

Nasruddin

(1,313 posts)
25. On target
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:22 AM
7 hrs ago

We have to keep in mind all sides in this conflict are complete liars - not always in the same way or to the same ends.
Our side for example routinely lies to steer public opinion and reinforce the cult.
In addition the Boss lies to get himself out of sticky public embarrassments and probably to soothe himself. The man called Vance surely does the former. Then there’s the Boss’s confabulations.
We can only reason based on actions.

sboatcar

(918 posts)
27. They had to send amateurs, they fired most of the career diplomatic officials
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:43 AM
7 hrs ago

And then somehow they expect the cronies and low level folks that remain to be successful, particularly when the president tends to blow up the whole negotiation process is moving.

Martin Eden

(16,035 posts)
10. When it is more prudent to believe a spokesman for the Iranian regime...
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:42 AM
9 hrs ago

... than the Vice President speaking on behalf of the President of the United States, it is time to change the regime here at home.

PatSeg

(53,991 posts)
13. "It appears our Government is lying to us about....."
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:48 AM
8 hrs ago

Fill in the blank. Might be easier to just list what our government HASN'T been lying to us about.

Torchlight

(7,219 posts)
16. As there's no real or measurable benefit otherwise, I'll presume
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:55 AM
8 hrs ago

Tehran's assertion accurate, and just one more tall tale from Mr. trump's habit of saying anything except the truth.

SergeStorms

(21,034 posts)
17. NO!
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:57 AM
8 hrs ago

The Trump administration lied to us? 😭

Say it's not so, please!

What's the point of my life going on anymore?

Ocelot II

(131,776 posts)
26. It's not a good situation when reports from both sides are unreliable.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:27 AM
7 hrs ago

I don't trust Iran and I don't trust Trump's minions even more.

snot

(11,927 posts)
31. Really weird: public radio this morning
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 01:28 PM
5 hrs ago

quoted Vance's claims about the agreement at great length, with little or no mention of Iran's disagreement on various important points.


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