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SamuelTheThird

(1,428 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 05:13 PM Yesterday

Israel hitching their star to Trump will end up being one of the dumbest moves in history

Pushing the war with Iran could be their real doom.

Trump was facing economic catastrophe in a few months, so of course he folded. Iran is going to be much more powerful.

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Israel hitching their star to Trump will end up being one of the dumbest moves in history (Original Post) SamuelTheThird Yesterday OP
Bibi and RWers from Israel should have known................. Lovie777 Yesterday #1
For someone Jewish, no sechel. no_hypocrisy Yesterday #2
I still think this is just more market manipulation and theater. BlueTsunami2018 Yesterday #3
I think Iran is going to get so much they MAY 'overlook' lebanon SamuelTheThird Yesterday #4
My bet is on it falling apart by Friday. pat_k Yesterday #7
I dont think trump will pull out unless he absolutely has to SamuelTheThird Yesterday #8
This message was self-deleted by its author SamuelTheThird 7 hrs ago #9
It was Netanyahu and his rightwing mob who took that path DavidDvorkin Yesterday #5
Iran can use a tiny fraction of Trump's gift (300 BILLION) to revive Hamas and Hezbollah dalton99a Yesterday #6

Lovie777

(24,270 posts)
1. Bibi and RWers from Israel should have known.................
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 05:18 PM
Yesterday

shithole is not stable, but in a way this may help Bibi's opposition.

BlueTsunami2018

(5,126 posts)
3. I still think this is just more market manipulation and theater.
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 05:32 PM
Yesterday

Israel is never going to uphold the Lebanon part of the deal and we’re not going to go against them for doing so. That’s what the whole “leaked” conversation with Piss yelling and cursing at Bibi sets up.

He makes a “deal” that he couldn’t make in reality, Israel blows it up, everyone acts upset about it but we still have to stand by our “closest ally” and “only democracy in the Middle East.” He gets to pretend he tried, Israel takes the heat because they don’t give a fuck about what anyone thinks and everyone in their circles make billions from shorting and playing the oil market.

We’ll see but this is where I see it going. I don’t trust anyone involved in this.

SamuelTheThird

(1,428 posts)
4. I think Iran is going to get so much they MAY 'overlook' lebanon
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 05:52 PM
Yesterday

Or they may close the strait again and then get even more.

Could go either way.

Trump adminstration, Netanyahu administration and Iranian government are all murderous scumbags

pat_k

(14,435 posts)
7. My bet is on it falling apart by Friday.
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 07:17 PM
Yesterday

I'm not sure the mechanism, but I expect it to fall apart. Either as part of a somewhat calculated plan, as you outline, or as a result of the felon having a lucid moment in which he sees "the deal" for what it is (i.e., a surrender).

The thing is, prior to this "deal," the trump we know and rightfully condemn is a narcissistic psychopath who is constitutionally incapable of sucking up a loss -- ANY kind of loss.

We don't have the full details on the MoU, but clearly, the "deal" is humiliating. It is a surrender with reparations. It paints a giant L for Loser on the felon's forehead.

So either he made it intending for it to blow up, so he doesn't have to suck up the loss, or his deterioration has reached a point that he is incapable of remembering what he has experienced and confabulates based on his fantasies to fill in the gaps. In that state, it would be easy for people around him to manipulate him into doing something that his narcissism and psychopathy would have formerly precluded.

I've been leaning toward his deterioration having reached a point that he has no memory of what is actually happening around him.

Is it good that this deal has been made? I don't know about the specifics, but clearly, the ONLY way of his criminal war is a "deal" that would be deeply humiliating to the felon, and unbelievably costly for the American tax payer.

I could be flat wrong, but I suspect a deeply disabled narcissistic psychopath has been maneuvered into something that EVERYONE around knew had to happen; something that he would have never agreed to if he had not lost the ability to remember what he is experiencing hour-by-hour.

SamuelTheThird

(1,428 posts)
8. I dont think trump will pull out unless he absolutely has to
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 07:38 PM
Yesterday

I believe he is being told things behind the scenes regarding the dire economic turmoil which will transpire if the Strait keeps being blocked. Commercial and strategic oil reserves are being drained rapidly around the world. I think his desperation the other day wasnt just due to his birthday but this.

Israel is going to keep attacking Lebanon, so the ball is entirely in Iran's court.

Response to SamuelTheThird (Reply #8)

DavidDvorkin

(20,731 posts)
5. It was Netanyahu and his rightwing mob who took that path
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 06:52 PM
Yesterday

And it might destroy them at the next Israeli election, coming up in the fall.

After which, one can hope, jail for Netanyahu and his wife.

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