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(27,359 posts)
Chasstev365
(8,167 posts)if they swallowed Trump's horseshit for years, a pinecone sandwich isn't too much to ask.
lastlib
(28,664 posts)a saguaro cactus, or a porcupine--but I'm flexible. Pincone sammich will do.....
frogstar0
(275 posts)We should welcome all to opposing TACO. No they don't get a cookie but we should welcome their vote. Yes it will hurt to bite our tongues that hard.
True Dough
(27,359 posts)but it will be a long time before I'm ready to embrace them.
Scrivener7
(60,092 posts)LA Blue Bengal
(66 posts)I heard these words not long ago: If youre not uncomfortable, your tent is too small. Focus on the common goal - getting rid of Trump and his minions.
Martin Eden
(15,906 posts)Would telling prospective voters to "fuck off" be a successful strategy for winning elections?
We can induge our anger by directing it at fools who voted against their own interests, or focus on doing whatever it takes to build a Blue Tsunami at the polls.
A big chunk of the MAGA base is indeed full of irredeemable deplorables, but not everyone who voted for The Fascist Grifter fits that mold.
ananda
(35,532 posts)The vote seems immaterial to this.
The entire GOP is completely servile only to
the good of rich white males...
period.
This will not end well for anyone at all.
patphil
(9,235 posts)That's the truth.
But a part of me hopes that there's an awakening within these people; a realization that we're all connected in ways that result in the consequences of hate being reflected outward in unintended ways.
Hate is it's own trap. It renders the hater incapable of seeing, hearing, or feeling what the consequences of their hate is.
And then comes an awakening event; a invitation to see what hate has done, and how it doesn't care who gets hurt; how the one who gets hurt can be family, friends, or even the hater himself.
Most of these hate bound people are too far gone to respond, but some of them will.
I'm not about to welcome them with open arms, but their awakening is the first step in stopping the destruction that will inevitably follow as the consequences of hate tear away at the fabric of society.
rubbersole
(11,282 posts)The problem is they'll jump on the next racist bandwagon going down the street. They're not capable of introspection. It's not in their "privileged" DNA.
aggiesal
(10,921 posts)eppur_se_muova
(42,557 posts)thesquanderer
(13,126 posts)They were taken in by thinking he'd be better for the economy, or better on foreign policy, or better on the border.
Remember that there were a significant number of Obama voters who subsequently voted for Trump. It is unlikely that they voted for Trump out of a desire to "hurt the people I hate."
Skittles
(172,982 posts)the man is a misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, xenophobe, anti-worker, anti-science, etc. but hey, let's give him a chance
FUCK that and FUCK them, they DISGRACED America
thesquanderer
(13,126 posts)Last edited Sun May 10, 2026, 11:47 AM - Edit history (1)
If they voted for Obama in the past, I think some such other explanation is more likely than that they are "bad people" who voted for Trump because "he hates the people I hate."
biocube
(271 posts)I live in a small town most of my life and I do know Trump voters that are better people than most Democrats. And I don't mean people in my family or close friends. I find the small-town southeast to be nicer than the people in the big cities in the northeast.
Democrats have these things working against them:
1. The state of the education system.
2. The media. No, it's not just Fox. It's also the so-called "lib'ral media" that mormalizes Trump.
3. Democratic messaging. I can't emphasize this enough, Dems are no longer considered the party of the working class. It's not enough to preserve social security and Medicaid. Dems have to aggressively promote new ideas and not care if Democratic donors think it's too radical.
Skittles
(172,982 posts)I've lived rural, suburban and city, and acts of kindness are everywhere....and I have noticed even the "nicest" people can be racist assholes
Skittles
(172,982 posts)I'll allow that a fucking idiot might have wanted "something different" the first time but after that, HELL FUCKING NO
seriously, declining to vote would have been a more honorable option
they have DISGRACED America in the eyes of the WORLD
usedtobedemgurl
(2,074 posts)The first time? But they saw kids in cages. They saw the grift. As a rape survivor, even the first timeVoting for that piece of shit is offensive. Locker room talk or not, he boasted about grabbing women, non-consensually, by the pussy. They still voted for him. Let's say be was just bragging and nothing ever happened (I do not believe that, he is an adjudicated rapist), what he said was gross. Brag about winning a golf game but bragging about sexually assaulting women? He told them who he was and they did not care!
They saw what he was and voted for him a second and sometimes third time. They heard his racism about Hispanics when he announced his first run. They were fine with it. They voted for him. Does that sound like a decent person?
I saw people at his rallies with shirts saying dummy could grab them by their pussy. That's making fun of assault victims. Are they good people?
I told my lawn guy if his family ever needed to run, I will take them in. I had to do that because these folks are not decent. I think if you could see deep inside the minds of those "good" dummy voters that underneath it all, they are a,basket of deplorables.
thesquanderer
(13,126 posts)Even when Clinton used that term, she was referring to only a subset of his voters.
Lots of people pay little attention to politics/news in general. I would not assume that all the voters knew about all the things you mentioned. That's why my alternate explanations to "he hates who I hate" included being ignorant or misinformed. I have been amazed by things that friends and business associates have not known.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,074 posts)MAGA is a subset of republicans.
I am not willing to give a pass to people who support a grifter, conman, pedophile and rapist. Sorry, my morals will not allow it. To me, it is like saying Germany did not have all the info so they supported Hitler. That could have passed in the old days but we are in the Information Age. Information is readily accessible. And wearing a shirt at a dummy rally that says dummy can grab their pussy, does not show a lack of information to me. It feels like they know and do not care about the people he hurt and us hurting.
thesquanderer
(13,126 posts)thesquanderer
(13,126 posts)People are in their silos. Most Fox viewers probably have about as much interest in watching MS NOW as MS NOW viewers have in watching Fox. The info is readily accessible, but not unless they go out of their way to look for it, from media they are not inclined to trust in the first place. Which in their case includes even "mainstream" media, like the NY Times.
You're on social media? You get fed what you already believe.
And then there are people who just don't really care about politics. I know a couple of people who I consider woefully misinformed, who I either know or suspect voted for Trump, probably because they get 99% of their info from their spouse/partner and have no desire/motivation to "fact-check" them.
It's similarly easy for people to fall into the beliefs prevalent in their social circle, and in some areas of the country, whatever social circle you're in is likely to include a lot of red.
This comes from thinking about your "MAGA subset" differentiation, which I basically agree with, but then thought about how I even know some not-quite-but-almost-MAGA people who I think are not terrible people. They're not hat-wearers or rally-attenders, but they've drunk the kool-aid.
And then I saw this really interesting take on it from Jordan Klepper (from The Daily Show), who as you may know, has a shtick where he goes to Trump rallies and interviews attendees for comedic effect. Start at 2:20. From there to the end is just 5 minutes.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,074 posts)AZProgressive
(29,990 posts)A new study reveals the real reason Obama voters switched to Trump
Hint: It has to do with race.
(snip)
A new study shows that this response isnt as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.
White voters with racially conservative or anti-immigrant attitudes switched votes to Trump at a higher rate than those with more liberal views on these issues, the papers authors write. We find little evidence that economic dislocation and marginality were significantly related to vote switching in 2016.
This new paper fits with a sizeable slate of studies conducted over the past 18 months or so, most of which have come to the same conclusions: There is tremendous evidence that Trump voters were motivated by racial resentment (as well as hostile sexism), and very little evidence that economic stress had anything to do with it.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
I'm paywalled so I can't post any more but Obama-Trump voters were motivated by Xenophobia and hostile sexism especially when it comes to the 2016 election.
on edit: I added some paragraphs, I used Webpage archive.
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