The Democrat that came up with independent redistricting commissions need to be fired.

[Wanderlust988]

This was an absolute disaster! I don't know who this idiot was. I guess it was some nerd sitting in the basement of the DNC 20 or 30 years ago, but whomever he is, better not be working for us anymore. We have unilaterally disarmed while Republican states don't give a damn. We are playing nice by making our own rules and it's backfired on us big time. Now we have to move mountains to get them out of their state constitutions. What a clusterf***

[SSJVegeta]

1. It was a nice idea and still is

Just needs to be standardized with federal law.

[standingtall]

4. Federal laws for this are not a solution

You are not going to get politicians benefitting from this to vote for it nor will the voters that support them support it either. Laws can change with the law makers. The legislative filibuster is on burrowed time rather we get rid of it or republicans do it first. We can take the majority in both houses and win the Presidency and pass a federal law to ban gerrymandering, but the republicans will have the conservative Supreme, but the moment they get back in power they will repeal such a law. You need something more lasting like a constitutional amendment which also won't happen. Our only viable alternative is to counter their gerrymandering with our own gerrymandering.

[SSJVegeta]

7. It failed by one vote in 2022 after resoundingly paasing the house

Feasibility is not the issue and voters have overwhelming supported the concept.

[standingtall]

8. Still failed and if it did pass it would still be repealed

by republicans. They will just justify like they do every other un-poplar piece of legislation they ram through. The voters voted us and therefore gave their trust to us to make these decisions. Voters saying they overwhelming support something is one thing. Wait until the big money gets involved and there is a serious campaign against it. So yes feasibility is an issue. Most of the voters in Florida supported a constitutional amendment giving women the right to choice, but not enough for a constitutional amendment and not enough to not overwhelming vote for the people responsible for having Roe V Wade overturned.

[COL Mustard]

2. I'm as frustrated as you are.

I don't know all the rules and procedural ins and outs, but the VA Supreme Court (unelected bureaucrats) just spit on the will of the voters. I'm not happy about that but it seems like for now all we can do is vote in overwhelming numbers.

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. I disagree- things would have been worse without them

And it showed how Dems have a clear sense of ethics.

Now California’s jungle primary system, on the other hand…

[standingtall]

5. What do Democrats ethics do for their voters losing their healthcare?

And many other rights. Democrats bought into a romantic fantasy that opposition would always act in good faith and now were learning a lesson from it. True gerrymandering can be use to suppress peoples rights, but it can also be used to protect peoples rights. I think some of the most aggressive gerrymandering in U.S. history happened after the civil war and before the end of reconstruction and Jim Crow. If Progressives/Democrats had never stopped aggressively gerrymandering then they probably not lost the Congress for the first time sense the late 1920s or early 30s in 1994 and republicans might still not obtained a majority in Congress to this day. Then Democrats wouldn't be having their voters rights stripped away. Democrats need to prioritize protecting their constituents over protecting institutions, because if they don't protect their constituents they wont have institutions to protect to begin with.

[Scrivener7]

6. No. Republicans twisted a perfectly good policy, as they twist all perfectly good policies.

Might as well say that the people who came up with the idea of a Supreme Court were stupid.

[everyonematters]

9. That is the best way to come up with the most fair representation, and that is what the ultamate goal

should be. Keep this in mind. The biggest block of voters are independents. What do you think they want?

[In It to Win It]

11. Even independents pick a side.

[everyonematters]

12. A strong majority of people approve of commissions.

The two major parties that control the process are doing the gerrymandering. If you think everyone likes what is going on right now, I think you are mistaken.

[In It to Win It]

13. I don't think that but

many state legislatures clearly don't care and are not responsive to those concerns.

A lot of the southern Republicans will likely never have redistricting commissions. Most of them, citizens can't utilize ballot initiatives so they can't go around the state legislature if the legislature is hostile to the idea.

[In It to Win It]

10. It's a great idea if everyone is playing by the same rules. Clearly, we are not. They're using our rules against us.