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A sneaking suspicion (Original Post) orangecrush 13 hrs ago OP
And the Klan never died. sheshe2 13 hrs ago #1
And now they're wearing black robes and no hood. Buddyzbuddy 11 hrs ago #10
The rebel leaders should have been tried and executed. dalton99a 13 hrs ago #2
Exactly. Open rebellion is the very definition of treason. TomSlick 11 hrs ago #14
Well said! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E 2 hrs ago #17
Indeed. yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #3
Please don't isolate me! 😊 BeneteauBum 12 hrs ago #6
Good point. There are good people below the M-D line. yellow dahlia 12 hrs ago #7
That Confederacy relogic 12 hrs ago #4
I've said for years the confederacy didn't lose Dave Id 12 hrs ago #5
why do you think blubunyip 46 min ago #24
Ya think?!?!?! Exp 12 hrs ago #8
We should never have let them back into the union dflprincess 12 hrs ago #9
Now I am hoping for a secession IzzaNuDay 11 hrs ago #11
I'd go for that! RainCaster 48 min ago #23
Let's boil it down to its essence... GiqueCee 11 hrs ago #12
Well said, GiqueCee.. Permanut 11 hrs ago #13
And hmmm Ohio? Parts of New York even. blubunyip 41 min ago #25
Compromise of 1877 moondust 8 hrs ago #15
If only I could rec more than once. returnee 2 hrs ago #16
After the war Robert E. Lee petitioned to have his citizenship restored, but he was not pardoned nor had his Rhiannon12866 2 hrs ago #19
Thank you orangecrush 1 hr ago #21
They lost the war but lonely bird 2 hrs ago #18
That's not a sneaking suspicion. Susan Calvin 1 hr ago #20
+1 dalton99a 59 min ago #22
Same with Nazis and Nazism Blue Owl 38 min ago #26

Buddyzbuddy

(2,820 posts)
10. And now they're wearing black robes and no hood.
Thu May 7, 2026, 10:22 PM
11 hrs ago

Oh yeah, and they've opened membership to a minority.

TomSlick

(13,075 posts)
14. Exactly. Open rebellion is the very definition of treason.
Thu May 7, 2026, 10:59 PM
11 hrs ago

Instead of trying the rebel leaders for treason, they were lionized and allowed to sow the seeds Jim Crow and today's white nationalism.

The US was too quick to "bind up the nation's wounds." Real reconstruction of the rebellious states was made impossible by failing to punish the leaders of the rebellion. The US won the war and lost the peace.

yellow dahlia

(6,384 posts)
3. Indeed.
Thu May 7, 2026, 08:55 PM
13 hrs ago

With what's going on with gerrymandering - maybe we would be better off w/out the South.

yellow dahlia

(6,384 posts)
7. Good point. There are good people below the M-D line.
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:32 PM
12 hrs ago

I am glad to see so many voices standing up in Tennessee and elsewhere.

relogic

(215 posts)
4. That Confederacy
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:17 PM
12 hrs ago

rose out of the white, European entitlement spawned from colonialism. The founders and our grand experiment was blemished, rotten and riddled with racism, not so easily detected or unveiled fully in those 60 -70 years since that founding. Then, the same ugliness we see now of white entitlement came to a head. A civil war, indeed.

We must punish ourselves today as we must the well-meaning carpenters of independence, though their horror at what they’ve seen created must be enough.

Dave Id

(318 posts)
5. I've said for years the confederacy didn't lose
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:24 PM
12 hrs ago

they just retreated, then spread their toxic racism throughout the country.

dflprincess

(29,405 posts)
9. We should never have let them back into the union
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:55 PM
12 hrs ago

Should have just treated them as territories like Guam or Puerto Rico.

RainCaster

(13,853 posts)
23. I'd go for that!
Fri May 8, 2026, 09:16 AM
48 min ago

Let's take NY & MA as well.
Canada can nationalize Trump's properties, them convert them to serve the needy.

GiqueCee

(4,616 posts)
12. Let's boil it down to its essence...
Thu May 7, 2026, 10:33 PM
11 hrs ago

... Confederates were traitors. Celebrating them in any way, shape, or form, can no longer be condoned. It should never have been condoned at all. Ever. But too many slaveholders and their sympathizers in the North let lowlifes lead the way for far, far too long.
My surname is very common in the South. And I've known People of Color that share that name because their ancestors were the property of some of my ancestors. I can never make amends for that obscene travesty; I can only try to live my life better, and give what little I can to make the lives of others a little better.
I'm old. Hell, I don't even buy green bananas, and folks younger than me drop like flies every day, so I harbor no illusions that I'll live long enough to help make the world a better place. I'm just a drop in that bucket, but they say a single drop counts. I will keep trying to count.

Permanut

(8,534 posts)
13. Well said, GiqueCee..
Thu May 7, 2026, 10:55 PM
11 hrs ago

I was born and raised in the Northwest, which was not squeaky clean of the stench. The KKK was very active in Oregon in the 20's.

blubunyip

(300 posts)
25. And hmmm Ohio? Parts of New York even.
Fri May 8, 2026, 09:22 AM
41 min ago

etc etc. You can South bash all you want, but toxic racism is everywhere.

Amusing to me how some people in the North want to feel squeaky clean while otherizing "The South."

It's not productive. Especially not considering the other ways the PTB have successfully divided us.

moondust

(21,337 posts)
15. Compromise of 1877
Fri May 8, 2026, 01:06 AM
8 hrs ago
~
During the Reconstruction era of the 1860s and 1870s, the Southern United States fell under federal military oversight. The compromise (of 1877) entailed that Democrats ended both a filibuster of the certified (1876) election results as well as threats of political violence in exchange for the Republicans' ending military oversight. When (Rutherford B.) Hayes took office, he withdrew the last federal troops from the South, which historians largely regard as the end of Reconstruction.
~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1877

returnee

(971 posts)
16. If only I could rec more than once.
Fri May 8, 2026, 07:36 AM
2 hrs ago

Playing off the inherent flaws in our Constitution, the Lincoln and Johnson administrations failed to adequately punish the remnants of the confederacy thus allowing the inherent sociopathy therein to fester. We now have a situation not unlike leaving an infection in the human body insufficiently treated, leading to resistance to increasingly potent antibiotics. We now appear to have a democracy-resistant fascist infection.

Rhiannon12866

(258,091 posts)
19. After the war Robert E. Lee petitioned to have his citizenship restored, but he was not pardoned nor had his
Fri May 8, 2026, 07:59 AM
2 hrs ago

Citizenship restored in his lifetime. But Senator Harry Byrd conducted a 5-year campaign to pardon him, since Lee had signed an oath of allegiance, and it passed, so President Ford signed the bill in 1975.

lonely bird

(3,008 posts)
18. They lost the war but
Fri May 8, 2026, 07:58 AM
2 hrs ago

They won the peace.

The “Party of Lincoln™️” abandoned the Black people with the machinations of the election in 1876. Conservatives wanted to do business with the South and that was deemed more important than what happened to the former slaves.

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