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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDisagree with those who think Trump was trying to intimidate the Court today.
Hard to intimidate Justices who have lifetime appointments. And he almost certainly was advised in advance that the chances of his executive order being upheld were slim.
I think his appearance was purely performative political theater. If any other president had ever shown up for an oral argument, he wouldn't have bothered, but the temptation to be the "first" to do something is irresistible to him. Plus, he was playing not to the justices but to his MAGA faithful -- showing them how much he believes in his war on immigrants.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,868 posts)If his radical gambit is likely to lose, why bother with an unprecedented presidential appearance at the high court? There are two prevailing explanations.
Link to tweet
https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/why-trump-attending-supreme-court-birthright-citizenship-arguments
President Donald Trump will be watching oral arguments today as the Supreme Court weighs whether the president holds the power to end birthright citizenship. [ ]
Trumps presence at the court is significant. He will be the first known sitting U.S. president to attend oral arguments before the high court, according to the Supreme Court Historical Society.
By way of explanation, the president told reporters on Tuesday that he intended to sit in on oral arguments because I have listened to this argument for so long. (A day later, Im not entirely sure what that was supposed to mean.)....
So why bother with an unprecedented presidential appearance at the high court? There are two prevailing explanations though theyre not mutually exclusive, and both could be true.
The first is that this is part of a ham-fisted intimidation campaign: By literally showing up in person, its possible that Trump, who appointed a third of the courts justices, thinks he can apply extra pressure to those who will decide the cases fate.
If this is the goal, the president is likely to be disappointed. Unlike congressional Republicans, justices dont want to be seen as obedient White House loyalists, and its easy to imagine Trumps stunt backfiring.
The other theory is that Trump recognizes the fact that the Supreme Court wont let him rewrite constitutional law through an executive order, so he went to oral arguments as a political tactic intended to deliver an anti-immigrant message which the White House sees as more politically salient than other issues that are dominating the public conversation, such as the war with Iran and high gas prices.
The big thing for Trump is to be seen putting up a fight, Politico noted. This policy always a Hail Mary from a legal perspective is as much about signaling to the presidents base as it is a serious attempt to change the law.
Whatever the explanation, if the president expects his order to be upheld, he probably ought to start lowering his expectations. Watch this space.
The second reason listed above is that trump is sending a message to his base
Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)I can't even finish this. April fool!
Coldwater
(1,279 posts)because it was clear the Supreme Court appeared skeptical of President Trump's bid to end birthright citizenship
Tetrachloride
(9,624 posts)depends on his attitude
Frasier Balzov
(5,061 posts)Sure, decorum obliged the justices to pretend he wasn't there while they conducted their business.
But they also needed to be the first to do something-- namely, slap him around at least a little.
Remind him that he's only passing through. Stop trying to "brand" your way to consequential.
Remind him that he's making a big mess, about which he should feel shame.
And ask the Solicitor General who the authors were who composed that executive order. Get that in the record of the case.
hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)They ALL have families, and when threat levels escalate, that does have at least some impact--even though THEY have protection. Plus, they have already confirmed via their public speeches how they are perceived and the diminished respect for the courts in general, IS getting to them.
That said, I don't think Trump's being there has worked or will work. When I read that Roberts (quite correctly) did NOT acknowledge his presence in the room, I was so relieved.
malaise
(296,103 posts)but I always respect your views
Ilikepurple
(677 posts)Intimidation tactics are not always used for the express purpose of winning. Sometimes theyre used as a show of strength. Sometimes they are used to mitigate damages, perhaps here in the form of at least one dissent that can support a future legal reinterpretation or some statement in the decision that keeps this issue alive politically. I think, as you pointed out, the main reason he showed up is so his voice on this matter is as loud as the reporting on the oral arguments. It rallies his base and also shows he will stand up to the Court. Its also a nice distraction from Iran for the media until his speech tonight.
I think your other point about being the first is also important not just because he can plant his flag, but hes trying to show an unprecedented Presidential influence over the other branches of government. Of course, it could be as simple as he saw a mobster intimidate a witness or officer of the court by his presence in a movie or series and thought it looked cool.
kerry-is-my-prez
(10,283 posts)They have been to Amy Coney Barretta home and her relatives after she ruled against Trump. It has worked to intimidate Republican and Democratic lawmakers.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)... he feels he has the mojo required to own four or five votes just by showing up and taking a nap.