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BeyondGeography

(41,093 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 02:08 PM 5 hrs ago

"The second Trump presidency was always going to end in disaster. Now it's happening."

Trump is contemplating the sheer folly of boots on the ground in Iran. How did it come to this? | Simon Tisdall

The Guardian (@theguardian.com) 2026-03-29T11:31:33.034Z


Concern is justifiably growing that a cornered Donald Trump will send US ground troops into combat on Iranian soil to avoid being personally and politically humiliated in a war he started, mismanaged and cannot end. Yet such a self-serving escalation, even if ostensibly limited in duration and scope, could itself prove catastrophic for him and the American people. Think what happened in previous US military interventions. In sum, he’s caught in a modern-day catch-22. Pick your own metaphor for dumb. Trump’s stumped, hoist by his own petard, stuck between a rock and a hard place, and up the creek without a paddle. The creek in question is, of course, the strait of Hormuz.

Firmly ensconced in his weird parallel universe, Trump insists the war is all but won, Iran is suing for peace and talks are making good progress. In the real world, Iran is still fighting on all fronts, Israel is still bombing, the strait of Hormuz remains largely closed, and the Iran-allied Houthi militia in Yemen has joined the war, attacking Israel and potentially blocking Red Sea trade routes. The US and Iran have each issued maximalist demands, but there is no sign of actual negotiations. They are even further apart than they were before Trump, egged on by Benjamin Netanyahu, abandoned diplomacy last month. Sometime soon, Trump will be forced to confront the huge gap between what he wants and what’s on offer. At that point he could turn to the troop buildup in the Gulf and order ground attacks.

…Trump is increasingly isolated and out on a limb. His wealthy Arab business cronies no longer trust him. US bases on their territory now resemble a liability, not a defence. When he demanded Nato’s help, Europe said: we’ll let you know. Likewise, Iran’s ethnic Kurds are less than keen to die for a muppet. Support for the war among the US public and the Maga right, always weak, is a fast-vanishing mirage. Having egged him on, Netanyahu refuses to bail him out – or to stop bombing everyone in sight. Silly-billy Trump! He believed Israel’s assurance of quick victory. As for Iran, its surviving leadership, dominated by ultras, reckons it’s winning. Its hard line gets harder by the day.

Imagine being one of the thousands of US marines and paratroopers now deploying to the Gulf. With a commander-in-chief like Trump, who needs enemies? Except plenty more lie in wait. Iran’s armed forces number 610,000 active-duty personnel, with reserves of 350,000. The regime may no longer be able to fight in the air or at sea. But on land, treading familiar terrain and ultimately willing, perhaps, to sacrifice “human waves” of troops, as in the 1980’s Iran-Iraq war, it remains a formidable foe. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps says it’s ready to carpet-bomb its own territory if invaded.

…What to say or think at this dread juncture? This illegal war should never have been launched. Trump acted foolishly and opportunistically. Netanyahu, too, is greatly to blame. The threat was not “imminent”. And the war’s most persuasive justification – a promise to free Iranians from tyranny – has been abandoned. Negotiations, unconditional on both sides, are the only sane way out. Trump must swallow his pride, admit his error, eat humble pie. Yet as all the world knows, the very idea that this most ignorant, reckless and narcissistic of US leaders might actually do so is utterly ridiculous.

The second Trump presidency was always going to end in disaster. Now it’s happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/mar/29/trump-boots-ground-iran-war-middle-east?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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"The second Trump presidency was always going to end in disaster. Now it's happening." (Original Post) BeyondGeography 5 hrs ago OP
Every maga in Congress should be asked and pressed on whether they approve of troops in the Middle East Walleye 5 hrs ago #1
Every maga in congress Alliepoo 5 hrs ago #2
Absolutely. You'd think Trump would be impressed by this year size of the crowd Walleye 4 hrs ago #5
Deadly hubris... sop 4 hrs ago #3
Get him in a bunker with a loaded firearm Blue Owl 4 hrs ago #4
I feel that the only think that will stop boots on the ground is CONGRESS (but that will be after the fact, i'm afraid) bluestarone 4 hrs ago #6
How is Congress going to stop it ? JI7 3 hrs ago #7
Exactly. AZ8theist 2 hrs ago #11
I guess i'm thinking they could finally do their job on being the ones to decide to allow this war to continue bluestarone 2 hrs ago #16
Their consultants will advise against a vote leftstreet 2 hrs ago #17
End? Nasruddin 2 hrs ago #8
I really, truly am concerned .. . AverageOldGuy 2 hrs ago #9
Fasten your seatbelts. Martin68 2 hrs ago #10
Why not Israeli troops? Or Saudi troops? IronLionZion 2 hrs ago #12
Send the parasites Blue Full Moon 2 hrs ago #13
This protest sign comes to mind, for those who thought Trump would be OK: Martin Eden 2 hrs ago #14
Well.....They Better Do Some Reconsidering. BBbats 2 hrs ago #15

Walleye

(44,778 posts)
1. Every maga in Congress should be asked and pressed on whether they approve of troops in the Middle East
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 02:18 PM
5 hrs ago

They should also be asked and pressed on if they think we should use nuclear weapons in this conflict because you know Trump is dying to do that. He’s also dying to invade another country with ground troops. That’s just so macho That’s how he sees himself and the maga monkeys see him.
then they should be asked how this makes life better for Americans, and “keeps us safe “is not an answer. Also, John Fetterman should be questioned on this.

Alliepoo

(2,830 posts)
2. Every maga in congress
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 02:30 PM
5 hrs ago

Should pay attention to the protest yesterday and realize that all of those people see their cowardice and refusal to stop trump-and we won’t forget come election time.

Walleye

(44,778 posts)
5. Absolutely. You'd think Trump would be impressed by this year size of the crowd
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 03:17 PM
4 hrs ago

I’ve never seen anything quite like that and I was at Woodstock in 1969. We were witnessing yesterday the will of the people, that’s what elections are for, and Republicans have forgotten that.

sop

(18,565 posts)
3. Deadly hubris...
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 02:36 PM
4 hrs ago


Too bad none of the Trump kids will be part of the "boots on the ground."

bluestarone

(22,157 posts)
6. I feel that the only think that will stop boots on the ground is CONGRESS (but that will be after the fact, i'm afraid)
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 03:30 PM
4 hrs ago

Thing is we ALL know THIS congress won't do it! So i guess it's up to TSF to kill hundreds or thousands of our troops. Hell, maybe a full scale war could develop?

AZ8theist

(7,352 posts)
11. Exactly.
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 04:53 PM
2 hrs ago

Mike Johnson (release his Grindr profile!) is completely spineless. He's afraid of his own shadow, much less his own caucus.

The only roadblock is a Democratic congress come next January and IMMEDIATELY cut off all funding for the Department of DEFENSE. Then endless impeachment hearings will hopefully get him to finally stroke out.

But how many dead soldiers will exist by then?



bluestarone

(22,157 posts)
16. I guess i'm thinking they could finally do their job on being the ones to decide to allow this war to continue
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 05:16 PM
2 hrs ago

Which i've stated they WILL NOT DO.

AverageOldGuy

(3,805 posts)
9. I really, truly am concerned .. .
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 04:48 PM
2 hrs ago

. . . that someone is going to take a shot at Trump and not miss.

There are lots of candidates out there:
-- An Iranian sleeper cell sniper.
-- An unbalanced Midwestern farmer who has seen his whole life disappear in tariffs, the cost of diesel and fertilizer.
-- A disgusted MAGAt.
-- . . . . . . .

IronLionZion

(51,244 posts)
12. Why not Israeli troops? Or Saudi troops?
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 04:54 PM
2 hrs ago

The one country who clearly does not belong there is USA

Blue Full Moon

(3,465 posts)
13. Send the parasites
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 04:55 PM
2 hrs ago

Netanyahu's able bodied son is weathering out the war by vacationing in Miami. Send him and Eric, Barron, and Kai.

Martin Eden

(15,611 posts)
14. This protest sign comes to mind, for those who thought Trump would be OK:
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 05:02 PM
2 hrs ago

Did you NAZI this coming?

BBbats

(309 posts)
15. Well.....They Better Do Some Reconsidering.
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 05:13 PM
2 hrs ago

We will never get the straight news from our media but I believe we are getting our asses kicked over there.
The Irainians had two decades or more to prepare. Do you think Trump gave this any real thought or did Nentanyahu promise him some of the action. Does anyone really think Hegseth has any ability to handle a situation like this?
I sure don't!













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