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harumph

(3,266 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 12:49 PM 6 hrs ago

ESPIONAGE - Here is the relevant law - emphasis mine.

18 U.S. Code § 794 - Gathering or delivering defense information to aid foreign government
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(a)
Whoever, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any foreign government, or to any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, or to any representative, officer, agent, employee, subject, or citizen thereof, either directly or indirectly, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, note, instrument, appliance, or information relating to the national defense, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life, except that the sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the jury or, if there is no jury, the court, further finds that the offense resulted in the identification by a foreign power (as defined in section 101(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978) of an individual acting as an agent of the United States and consequently in the death of that individual, or directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic information; or any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy.
(b)
Whoever, in time of war, with intent that the same shall be communicated to the enemy, collects, records, publishes, or communicates, or attempts to elicit any information with respect to the movement, numbers, description, condition, or disposition of any of the Armed Forces, ships, aircraft, or war materials of the United States, or with respect to the plans or conduct, or supposed plans or conduct of any naval or military operations, or with respect to any works or measures undertaken for or connected with, or intended for the fortification or defense of any place, or any other information relating to the public defense, which might be useful to the enemy, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
(c)
If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.
(d)
(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States irrespective of any provision of State law—
(A)
any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, as the result of such violation, and
(B)
any of the person’s property used, or intended to be used, in any manner or part, to commit, or to facilitate the commission of, such violation.
For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.
(2)
The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.
(3) The provisions of subsections (b), (c) and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to—
(A)
property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;
(B)
any seizure or disposition of such property; and
(C)
any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property,
if not inconsistent with this subsection.
(4)
Notwithstanding section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 737; Sept. 3, 1954, ch. 1261, title II, § 201, 68 Stat. 1219; Pub. L. 99–399, title XIII, § 1306(b), Aug. 27, 1986, 100 Stat. 898; Pub. L. 100–690, title VII, § 7064, Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4404; Pub. L. 103–322, title VI, § 60003(a)(2), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 1968; Pub. L. 103–359, title VIII, § 804(b)(2), Oct. 14, 1994, 108 Stat. 3440; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, §§ 604(b)(2), 607(b), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3506, 3511.)


OP Note: Section (a) is more broad that (b). There has been some discussion regarding the phrase "in time of war" in section (b). However, I believe both Hegseth and Trump have referred to it as "war" and the Iranian regime as the "enemy" ..If so, that might serve as an admission that it is a war irrespective of congressional declaration.
Treason falls under a separate statute, 18 U.S. Code § 2381.

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ESPIONAGE - Here is the relevant law - emphasis mine. (Original Post) harumph 6 hrs ago OP
Thanks for the facts Fiendish Thingy 6 hrs ago #1
There's a relationship between a conservative reading of the statute and throwing caution to wind harumph 6 hrs ago #2
Or the "just a fool" argument PATRICK 6 hrs ago #3
Charges will have to wait until 2029 Fiendish Thingy 5 hrs ago #4

Fiendish Thingy

(23,181 posts)
1. Thanks for the facts
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 12:54 PM
6 hrs ago

I still think it would be close to impossible to convict a former president, any former president, of these acts while president.

harumph

(3,266 posts)
2. There's a relationship between a conservative reading of the statute and throwing caution to wind
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 01:17 PM
6 hrs ago

and liberally construing the terms to be applicable if actions are proven sufficiently heinous. The whole position of this current admin is to act first and seek forgiveness later and what's good for the goose... I'm not advocating one way or the other - just observing how power is used or not used to achieve aims.

PATRICK

(12,383 posts)
3. Or the "just a fool" argument
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 01:21 PM
6 hrs ago

Trump will admit to nothing and bows to do the bad thing when afraid or threatened, but he is definitely influenced and able to be played. All autocrats can but none more so than an idiot with no military sense who pushed the pieces around. He was convinced by Nettie and Pootibear that Iran was the perfect, easy way out of Epstein and even though Putin LOOKS to be playing both sides there is only his. He finally trapped Krasnov into delivering him oil money aid and still aid the Iranians in killing our troops. A very stupid and easy trap that Trump cannot admit to, maybe not even imagine except he WILL finally deliver everything to his handlers, Israel and Russia.

First 25th amendment the dangerous incompetent, then let the charges fly to bury him, no compromise with Justice. Can't happen with the handful of also incompetent figures screwing the entire world? So then...

Fiendish Thingy

(23,181 posts)
4. Charges will have to wait until 2029
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 02:26 PM
5 hrs ago

And then, only if Dems have the courage to expand the court.

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