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debm55

(58,440 posts)
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:18 PM 22 hrs ago

A question. Why is tRump's first wife buried in a coffin when she was cremated? Cremains take up very little room and

are placed in a vessel to give to the family. They can also be buried but very little room taken. Also, the burial ground is in very poor condition. What else is in that coffin? Thank you

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A question. Why is tRump's first wife buried in a coffin when she was cremated? Cremains take up very little room and (Original Post) debm55 22 hrs ago OP
Good questions, my dear debm55! CaliforniaPeggy 21 hrs ago #1
Thank you. CaliforniaPeggy. debm55 21 hrs ago #4
Maybe coverup physical evidence of Submariner 21 hrs ago #2
But she was cremated so evidence could be determined from the cremains. But why a coffin and what else is in the coffin debm55 21 hrs ago #6
I've never understood canetoad 20 hrs ago #16
Well neither the kids not the Pig.have much respect for her now. No cut grass. no flowers. debm55 19 hrs ago #24
3 things come to mind: AllyCat 19 hrs ago #30
Cremation to remove any chance of forensic evidence Blue Full Moon 4 hrs ago #47
Because in New Jersey you get a tax break if you designate property as a cemetery. Ocelot II 21 hrs ago #3
But why use a coffin? Her cremains could very easily be put in a vessel. So what else is in the coffin? Sorry, I have debm55 21 hrs ago #8
Maybe to have a legal cemetery you have to have a corpse to bury it in. Ocelot II 21 hrs ago #10
True. debm55 20 hrs ago #22
I'll offer a more trumpian opinion... CincyDem 4 hrs ago #44
Nope jmowreader 19 hrs ago #40
Deb, remember we are speaking of the tRump corrupt morons. Polly Hennessey 21 hrs ago #5
That is what I was thinking. Tapes, pictures, videos, names of the the child abusers. debm55 21 hrs ago #7
Surely there are easier and more effective/permanent ways to get rid of that sort of thing than meadowlander 19 hrs ago #23
Snopes says that there's no evidence that she was cremated. It started on twitter as part of the buried documents stuff. Princess Turandot 21 hrs ago #9
Because it is easy way to hide things. I wouldn't put it past that a-hole and his family.Thank you for the information debm55 21 hrs ago #11
I've been of the opinion that there are lots of files of all sorts in that coffin so they would not be exposed. Deuxcents 21 hrs ago #12
No, they don't RoseTrellis 20 hrs ago #17
A coffin can be exhumed with a court order. Disaffected 19 hrs ago #25
Especially since there are OTHER things that could be hidden in there... jmowreader 19 hrs ago #41
Dup'ed your post before I saw it. Exhumation higher bar than search warrant for sure. CincyDem 4 hrs ago #45
THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!! montanacowboy 21 hrs ago #13
I agree. debm55 20 hrs ago #21
I don't comprehend the logic that thinks Disaffected 19 hrs ago #27
IMO I think it has more to do with Epstein and abusing young girls. debm55 19 hrs ago #37
My Grandmother Greg_In_SF 21 hrs ago #14
Oh yes, you can bury cremains. But they are placed in a small box. Not one the size of a coffin. MIL and FIL were both debm55 20 hrs ago #20
Trump's not the kind of person to miss an opportunity to show off his wealth with an expensive coffin. meadowlander 19 hrs ago #26
If I thought it was silly, I wouldn't have asked. I don't put anything over that ped. debm55 19 hrs ago #28
Sorry Greg_In_SF 19 hrs ago #29
Thank you. Greg_In_SF debm55 19 hrs ago #38
All the stolen TOP SECRET files fit better that way. greatauntoftriplets 20 hrs ago #15
True or tapes and video of his abusing young girls. debm55 19 hrs ago #35
Three little girls Trump raped and murdered? CanonRay 20 hrs ago #18
With him, who knows. debm55 20 hrs ago #19
As an older woman myself, I have long wondered why Ivana's 3 adult children did not protect their mother No Vested Interest 19 hrs ago #31
That is possibly true. Thank you. debm55 19 hrs ago #34
I wonder why the adult children don't tend to the site of her burial Deuxcents 18 hrs ago #42
The assertion that she was cremated is called by Snopes "A baseless conspiracy theory" sarisataka 19 hrs ago #32
Well, I only have knowledge of what I read here. debm55 19 hrs ago #33
it's cheaper and saves $$? msongs 19 hrs ago #36
Agree, I don't know of anyone that was cremated and placed in a coffin debm55 19 hrs ago #39
And don't forget... 2naSalit 16 hrs ago #43
Considering Trump stacked boxes of confidential files in the bathroom flvegan 4 hrs ago #46
I want to say something about this: PCIntern 3 hrs ago #48

CaliforniaPeggy

(156,390 posts)
1. Good questions, my dear debm55!
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:23 PM
21 hrs ago

There are those who suspect that some things are in the coffin.

We don't know what.

I think the suspicions are correct.

Submariner

(13,300 posts)
2. Maybe coverup physical evidence of
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:24 PM
21 hrs ago

dying other than falling down the stairs of her own accord.

Keeps her story earlier in their marriage of being raped by her husband from being repeated by her...silent....forever? Just a hunch.

debm55

(58,440 posts)
6. But she was cremated so evidence could be determined from the cremains. But why a coffin and what else is in the coffin
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:29 PM
21 hrs ago

Last edited Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:45 PM - Edit history (1)

canetoad

(20,481 posts)
16. I've never understood
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 04:30 PM
20 hrs ago

The suggestion that something was amiss with Ivana's death. She was a seventy-something woman with a steep and dangerous staircase. She fell. I just cannot see any value in her family or ex offing her. To all intents, she got on well with him and her kids in later years.

The coffin? Probably full of top secret files to be auctioned off to the highest bidder.

debm55

(58,440 posts)
24. Well neither the kids not the Pig.have much respect for her now. No cut grass. no flowers.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:21 PM
19 hrs ago

AllyCat

(18,683 posts)
30. 3 things come to mind:
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:38 PM
19 hrs ago

1) 6 pallbearers clearly laboring under the weight of cremains in a coffin

2) Her NDA was due to expire days or weeks after her accident

3) Pedotrump is a known liar, rapist, thief, and felon.

Ocelot II

(129,864 posts)
3. Because in New Jersey you get a tax break if you designate property as a cemetery.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:25 PM
21 hrs ago

So they buried her at Bedminster and called it a cemetery for tax purposes. https://www.businessinsider.com/ivana-trump-gravesite-trump-national-golf-club-tax-break-2022-7

debm55

(58,440 posts)
8. But why use a coffin? Her cremains could very easily be put in a vessel. So what else is in the coffin? Sorry, I have
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:34 PM
21 hrs ago

relatives that were cremated and they did not need the space inside the coffin. What else is in the coffin?

CincyDem

(7,353 posts)
44. I'll offer a more trumpian opinion...
Mon Feb 16, 2026, 08:32 AM
4 hrs ago

I agree there’s something fishy about her being buried on the 4th fairway (or wherever it is).

And the tax break is real.

But I think control of the real contents is the real reason. Can’t get to it with a search warrant, need an exhumation order…which means family notification which means court fight which means time to relocate “the stuff”.

It also means access to its contents if he wants it. Because he owns the cemetery, he can dig her up when and as often s he wants. Can’t do that if it’s a real cemetery.

So yeah…I’m with you 100%






jmowreader

(53,017 posts)
40. Nope
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 06:14 PM
19 hrs ago

This is the definitions statute for New Jersey cemetery operations:

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/title-45/section-45-27-2/

"Cemetery" means any land or place used or dedicated for use for burial of human remains, cremation of human remains, or disposition of cremated human remains.

This is an interesting statute:

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/title-45/section-45-27-6/

45:27-6 Ownership, operation of cemetery, forms authorized.

6. A cemetery established after December 1, 1971 shall be owned or operated only by a governmental entity, a religious corporation or organization or by a cemetery company organized in accordance with this act.

L.2003,c.261,s.6.


According to the AI thing that comes up in Google when you feed in "does Donald Trump own a New Jersey cemetery company," he doesn't currently own a cemetery company, he is planning to start one on the Bedminster property with a 284-plot main section, but the state cemetery board hasn't signed off on it yet. So, the land Ivana is buried on is not currently tax-advantaged.

I wonder what would happen if someone were to slip into Trump's golf course in the middle of the night with a cement truck, dig down a couple feet over her grave and fill the hole with wet concrete...

Polly Hennessey

(8,717 posts)
5. Deb, remember we are speaking of the tRump corrupt morons.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:26 PM
21 hrs ago

Perhaps some of the Epstein files or worse are keeping Wife #1 company. 🤭🤣😇

meadowlander

(5,112 posts)
23. Surely there are easier and more effective/permanent ways to get rid of that sort of thing than
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:20 PM
19 hrs ago

hoping your ex-wife dies so you bury them in her coffin.

Princess Turandot

(4,909 posts)
9. Snopes says that there's no evidence that she was cremated. It started on twitter as part of the buried documents stuff.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:47 PM
21 hrs ago
There's No Evidence Ivana Trump Was Cremated

With all of the property that Trump has/had access to, why would he choose to hide anything that way?

debm55

(58,440 posts)
11. Because it is easy way to hide things. I wouldn't put it past that a-hole and his family.Thank you for the information
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 03:56 PM
21 hrs ago

from Snopes.

Deuxcents

(26,184 posts)
12. I've been of the opinion that there are lots of files of all sorts in that coffin so they would not be exposed.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 04:04 PM
21 hrs ago

The family has to give permission to exhume and they will most likely never give it so, they could be, whatever they are, gone and we’ll never know. It’s like a mob mentality to come up with a plan like that

RoseTrellis

(138 posts)
17. No, they don't
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 04:34 PM
20 hrs ago

If their is reasonable, articulated suspicion of a crime, a search warrant will be issued, and it won’t matter what the family feels like. Period. Just because it’s a grave doesn’t mean shit.

Disaffected

(6,286 posts)
25. A coffin can be exhumed with a court order.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:21 PM
19 hrs ago

The entire notion that someone in Trump's orbit would chose a coffin to hide incriminating evidence is silly IMO.

jmowreader

(53,017 posts)
41. Especially since there are OTHER things that could be hidden in there...
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 06:16 PM
19 hrs ago

...like the 500 pounds of Top Secret information he hasn't turned over to FSB yet. It's a perfect place for a dead drop since no one ever goes out there at night.

montanacowboy

(6,693 posts)
13. THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 04:05 PM
21 hrs ago

We have been saying this since she died. I remember the day of the funeral when the pall bearers were carrying that casket into the church that they could hardly carry it, tell me that casket isn't filled with top secret documents and god knows what else.
Also have a lot of questions on her death - she fell down the steps?

Not usually a conspiracy theorist but I have always though this stunk to high heaven. And burying her in the middle of a field i.e. golf course?? This is not right and when he is in jail that coffin needs to be open.

Disaffected

(6,286 posts)
27. I don't comprehend the logic that thinks
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:27 PM
19 hrs ago

a coffin would be a good place to hide "top secret" documents (since they can be so easily exhumed).

And how would they be retrieved later (assuming they were intended to be retrieved or they would have been simply destroyed) without drawing notice (especially being located on a golf course)?

Greg_In_SF

(1,042 posts)
14. My Grandmother
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 04:13 PM
21 hrs ago

was cremated and then buried next to my Grandfather.

They made a plan and stuck to it.

debm55

(58,440 posts)
20. Oh yes, you can bury cremains. But they are placed in a small box. Not one the size of a coffin. MIL and FIL were both
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:13 PM
20 hrs ago

cremated and buried next to each other in a their separate plots. You don't need a full size coffin to bury cremains.

meadowlander

(5,112 posts)
26. Trump's not the kind of person to miss an opportunity to show off his wealth with an expensive coffin.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:27 PM
19 hrs ago

It's not an impressive enough visual to have the family carrying a little box. It's all about creating the most impressive spectacle for him.

I'm sorry but this kind of speculation makes us look silly. The only reason to bury something with a body (as opposed to deleting or burning files) would be if you plan to retrieve it later.

And if you plan to retrieve something later, there are less suspicious places to hide them that don't require grave robbing in the middle of resort that the public has access to. How is he going to explain away the big hole/dirt pile that suddenly appears one day next to her grave when he could just get a safe deposit box in Switzerland or something?

debm55

(58,440 posts)
28. If I thought it was silly, I wouldn't have asked. I don't put anything over that ped.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:32 PM
19 hrs ago

Greg_In_SF

(1,042 posts)
29. Sorry
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:37 PM
19 hrs ago

I should have clarified that her urn was buried in a full size coffin. They had their plots and coffins all picked out years in advance.

No Vested Interest

(5,290 posts)
31. As an older woman myself, I have long wondered why Ivana's 3 adult children did not protect their mother
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:39 PM
19 hrs ago

better, by having a person in the home to see that she was protected and cared for adequately.
They certainly had the money to pay for such care. And being a public figure (sort of), she likely had more activity and visitors in her life than the average 70-plus person.
She may have been a stubborn older woman, perhaps, and her children may have memories that are less than favorable of being raised by her.

sarisataka

(22,374 posts)
32. The assertion that she was cremated is called by Snopes "A baseless conspiracy theory"
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 05:39 PM
19 hrs ago

So the first step is, someone must produce evidence that she was cremated.

2naSalit

(101,332 posts)
43. And don't forget...
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 09:04 PM
16 hrs ago

That casket took TEN pallbearers and they almost dropped it coming out of the church.

Most humans in a casket take around six pallbearers.

flvegan

(66,043 posts)
46. Considering Trump stacked boxes of confidential files in the bathroom
Mon Feb 16, 2026, 08:56 AM
4 hrs ago

and elsewhere around Mar a Lago, and only moved them around when caught, is enough "proof" that he's not terribly concerned about hiding document evidence in which he has possession. I wouldn't be surprised if something/someone else isn't also buried there, but I doubt that it's files/documents of any kind.

PCIntern

(28,121 posts)
48. I want to say something about this:
Mon Feb 16, 2026, 09:28 AM
3 hrs ago

“She fell down the steps.”

This lady was a world-class skier. No one ever mentions this ironic fact. I for one don’t believe that she fell.

In the film Silverado, a young Kevin Costner plays Scott Glenn’s character’s younger brother. Toward the end, the little boy who was rescued following his kidnapping says to Glenn’s character that (Costner) was dead and he thought that because he “fell off his horse”. Glenn repeats it and smiles.

The reason he smiles is because the Costner character is a gifted gunfighter and horse rider and Glenn knew that there was no way he would “fall” off his horse. I feel the same about Ivana.

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