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House passes SAVE America Act, sending Trump-backed election bill to the Senate (NBC)The vote was 218-213, with Republicans unanimously voting in favor and all but one Democrat voting against it. The one Democrat voting yes was Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas.
The 32-page legislation would require states to obtain documentary proof-of-citizenship in person, such as an American passport or birth certificate, from someone in order to register them to vote in a federal election.
The bill, which was revised from an earlier version to include new demands from Trump, also requires voters to show photo identification in order to cast a ballot in person. And it slaps new rules for mail-in ballots, requiring voters to submit a copy of an eligible ID when requesting and casting an absentee ballot.
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pat_k
(12,859 posts)drray23
(8,656 posts)Lovie777
(22,350 posts)so like ICE money bill, it will be in limbo.
Initech
(108,077 posts)It will never be enough. They will keep finding new ways to move the goalposts. It's time we stop coddling and start firing them.
Tim S
(94 posts)Dulcinea
(9,874 posts)...only white male landowners would be able to vote.
pat_k
(12,859 posts)Substantial fines for any jurisdiction with lines of more than 30-minutes that are the result of under-allocation of resources. Fines substantial enough to offset any "savings" the county or municipality may have reaped.
Same thing for drives to drop-boxes of more than 20 minutes. It should not take a person a round trip of more than 40 minutes to vote. And if that many drop-boxes are not feasible, then provide some other means of securely collecting ballots.
Ol Janx Spirit
(850 posts)...pencils for school and dolls for Christmas.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-passes-save-america-act-trump-backed-election-bill-rcna258614
Meanwhile....
The kernel of truth here is that the federal form to register to vote doesnt require documentation to prove citizenship. But applicants who use that federal form, or register using state forms, must attest to being citizens. Voter registration forms warn applicants that signing the form with false information is a crime. There have been scattered cases of non-citizens who cast ballots, but among millions of votes cast they are statistically rare.
Some states told us that they access federal or state databases to verify citizenship of voters. Such methods have sometimes erroneously flagged citizen voters. While they are not foolproof, they do contradict Trumps claim that no states verify U.S. citizenship for federal elections.
We rate this statement Mostly False.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/07/do-states-verify-u-s-citizenship-condition-voting/6480041002/
We don't have a "people vote illegally" problem in this country; we have a "millions of people who are eligible to vote don't do it" problem.
The SAVE America Act will disenfranchise millions of eligible voters who do not have easy access to the documents required or the time to jump through the hoops.
I'm not sure Mike Johnson knows this however: a lot of those people vote R at the moment.
pat_k
(12,859 posts)My father's name on my birth certificate does not match the name on my social security card (Mom signed my sister and I up for SS with step=father's name, but he never legally adopted us.)
I've used my step-father's name my entire life. In common law, you can change your name by usage. It was never a problem. When the discrepancy came up, an affidavit was always fine. Until 9/11 that is.
NJ had some sort of "enhanced" driver's license requirements after 9/11. I went through the process to get a court-ordered name change. A major pain and expense (paying filing fees and paying to publish three rounds of public notices of the change from a name I had never used to the name I've always used). Unfortunately, I fucked up. The order I got from the court was a preliminary order. One more round of publishing a public notice was required to get the final order. I didn't understand this. The DMV accepted what I provided and issued the license. I didn't find out it wasn't a final order 'til I sent it in to get the name changed on my birth certificate. By that time, I'd missed the deadline and would have had to start the whole process over. But I had a valid license, so I said screw it. When I moved to WA they just took the NJ license as proof.
The process to get a name change here is WA is simpler, but it takes most of a weekday to file the papers and sit around to be heard by the judge. It was actually just about impossible for awhile because they were swamped with people who had to get a legal name change to get a REAL ID last year. I've got to do it, but these days I run a little solo dog walking service and just haven't been able to take a weekday off.
Ol Janx Spirit
(850 posts)...I am sure. Especially married women:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-the-save-america-act-would-make-major-changes-to-voting
That said, requiring an ID to vote enjoys broad support with the American public, so it seems inevitable there will eventually be some standard adopted.
Hopefully--as with many legislative initiatives--the reality on the ground will inform how the legislation is eventually implemented so that it doesn't negatively impact so many voters as to swing elections--despite the intentions of lawmakers.
Sogo
(7,076 posts)would pretty much disallow any woman who had taken their husband's last name in marriage from voting....?
edhopper
(37,184 posts)by a Supreme Court that followed the Constitution.
LetMyPeopleVote
(177,045 posts)The original SAVE Act was an indefensible step backward, and the revised version is worse. It passed the Republican-led House anyway.
Targeting elections, House GOP advances the SAVE America Act, a solution in search of a problem www.ms.now/rachel-maddo...
— Philly Joe (@joehick58.bsky.social) 2026-02-12T00:19:32.092Z
https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/save-act-elections-house-republicans-trump-johnson-voter-id
The GOP duo pitched legislation that would require documentary proof of citizenship to register to vote. The absurdity of watching two notorious election deniers pretend to be deeply concerned with the integrity of elections was a detail the political world was apparently supposed to overlook.....
The original SAVE Act was an indefensible step backward, and the revised version is worse:
All Americans would be required to prove their U.S. citizenship when registering to vote.
Voters would be required under federal law to present identification when casting ballots in person or by mail, even in states that do not have voter ID laws.
Republicans are eyeing new restrictions on Americans who want to vote by mail.
The proposal is a classic example of a solution in search of a problem. Republicans have spent years desperately searching for evidence of systemic fraud in vote-by-mail systems, for example, and theyve come up empty. The same is true about the supposed need for voter ID laws: In reality, there is simply no national scourge of people trying to cast ballots while pretending to be someone else.....
Whats more, as The Associated Press reported, state elections officials from both parties have expressed practical concerns about how these costly proposed procedures would be implemented and paid for. The same article added: Voting rights groups have said married women who have changed their name could have trouble registering under the SAVE Act because their birth certificate lists their maiden name.
Despite all of this, the bill passed the House anyway.
The proposal now heads to the Republican-led Senate, where it will need to overcome a 60-vote threshold, which seems exceedingly unlikely. That said, Politico reported this week that GOP leaders are so desperate to fundamentally alter how Americans vote that theyre exploring potential procedural changes that would make it possible to pass the regressive legislation, despite existing cloture rules.
There is no evidence of the type of voter fraud that the SAVE Act would prevent. It takes time and effort to get US citizens to go vote and so non-citizens are not going to risk arrest just to vote. The GOP and other groups have been looking for years for proof of non-citizens voting and have not found any such proof. The SAVE Act is a solution looking for a problem.
