Trump assumed to be very angry right now. Why? Because Trump.
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The verdict is in:
— heepst (@heepst.bsky.social) 2025-11-22T08:51:58.905Z
It's a Russian peace plan.
No one thinks it's weird that Russia dictates US foreign policy now.
The funniest part of this whole embarrassing scenario is that Trump, with no knowledge whatsoever of what was in this, was so anxious for a plan he could take credit for and brag about that he immediately claimed it as his own, and is now probably yelling at others for making him look bad.
— Khashoggi's Ghost (@urocklive1.bsky.social) 2025-11-23T02:28:29.777Z
The last few hours have proven 2 terrible things. First, the US and Russian governments are so close that the US government takes large parts of Russian proposals and passes them off as their own, and second that some people are so desperate to exonerate Trump that they act like this a good thing.
— Phillips OBrien (@phillipspobrien.bsky.social) 2025-11-23T02:18:57.038Z
https://fairdinkum.one/@John/115597519007698935
https://newsie.social/@ZhiZhu/115595849696822172
So the US was aware that the world thought the document was US endorsed, yet waited until now to clarify that it wasn't?
— Adam Schwarz (@adamjschwarz.bsky.social) 2025-11-22T23:48:02.137Z
How could the US have communicated to Ukraine that they had to accept the proposal or lose US support without clarifying that the Russian proposal wasn't actually their proposal?
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@michaeldweiss
Now Rubio says this:
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
The peace proposal was authored by the U.S.
It is offered as a strong framework for ongoing negotiations
It is based on input from the Russian side. But it is also based on previous and ongoing input from Ukraine.
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
Ending a complex and deadly war such as the one in Ukraine requires an extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas. And achieving a durable peace will require both sides to agree to difficult but necessary concessions. That is why we are and will continue to develop a list of potential ideas for ending this war based on input from both sides of this conflict.
Much confusion abounds, along with the sense that for some reason, somebody's lying.
And now a new twist in the fog of war Dmitriev's stirred up:
@michaeldweiss
No journalist I’ve spoken to in the last three days believes this. Everyone agrees Dmitriev leaked it. But that Dmitriev is eager to pretend otherwise is very interesting.
Kirill Dmitriev
@kadmitriev
Facts:
1. Ukraine leaked the US peace plan through deputy Honcharenko👇
2. A U.S. official confirmed to WSJ that in this leaked plan one point was changed from “an audit of all international aid” to the “full amnesty”
3. Russia did not leak the plan or its existence / details
Kirill Dmitriev
@kadmitriev
Key point from a senior U.S. official, per WSJ, on the version of Trump’s peace plan that Ukraine published 👇
https://www.wsj.com/world/u-s-peace-plan-for-ukraine-faces-resistance-from-europe-and-kyiv-0f2bb501
