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orangecrush

(27,785 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 03:14 PM Nov 21

"DON'T GIVE UP THE SHIP"

The quote is from an ensign flown by Commander Oliver Perry, whose fleet was based in my town of Erie, Pa., during the war of 1812.

"The "Don't Give Up the Ship" flag originated from the dying words of Captain James Lawrence during a losing battle in the War of 1812. His friend, Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry, adopted the phrase and had the blue battle ensign made, flying it on his flagship during the Battle of Lake Erie in 1813. Perry's victory at Lake Erie popularized the flag as a symbol of American naval resilience, and the original flag is now displayed at the U.S. Naval Academy Museum."






Don’t give up the ship.

Just Jack (@just-jack-1.bsky.social) 2025-11-19T11:55:44.156Z











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"DON'T GIVE UP THE SHIP" (Original Post) orangecrush Nov 21 OP
Then why are they in that rowboat? Omnipresent Nov 21 #1
Perry had his ship blown to pieces orangecrush Nov 21 #3
It's a good thing he had that flag made up before getting into the rowboat! Omnipresent Nov 21 #7
Here orangecrush Nov 21 #10
OK, because of YOU orangecrush Nov 21 #11
Don't give up the rowboat doesn't have the same ring to it. Sneederbunk Nov 21 #4
... orangecrush Nov 21 #6
Saw the original ITAL Nov 21 #2
I visit the Niagra orangecrush Nov 21 #5
I beg to differ. bluescribbler Nov 21 #8
Thank you! wolfie001 Nov 21 #9
I've seen the Niagra sailing more times than I can count orangecrush Nov 21 #13
Oh yes! Truly a miraculous and brave performance by our fleet that day wolfie001 Nov 21 #15
Cheers! orangecrush Nov 21 #16
OP corrected to reflect this orangecrush Nov 21 #12
Like ananda Nov 21 #14
Thank you orangecrush Nov 21 #17
It's also a saying the Democratic Party could take to heart. pat_k Nov 21 #18

orangecrush

(27,785 posts)
3. Perry had his ship blown to pieces
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 03:25 PM
Nov 21

Transferred to the USS Niagra to win the battle of Put In Bay.

He fought until his ship was sinking rather than surrender.

The slogan has been adopted by the 10 Democrats Trump said should be executed.

orangecrush

(27,785 posts)
10. Here
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:33 PM
Nov 21


The "Don't Give Up the Ship" flag originated from the dying words of Captain James Lawrence during a losing battle in the War of 1812. His friend, Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry, adopted the phrase and had the blue battle ensign made, flying it on his flagship during the Battle of Lake Erie in 1813. Perry's victory at Lake Erie popularized the flag as a symbol of American naval resilience, and the original flag is now displayed at the U.S. Naval Academy Museum.

orangecrush

(27,785 posts)
11. OK, because of YOU
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:36 PM
Nov 21

I had to edit the op!





The quote was from a dying officer in the war of 1812, not from Perry.

Perry had a flag made with the quote on it.



Geez!

bluescribbler

(2,461 posts)
8. I beg to differ.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 04:05 PM
Nov 21

James Lawrence was the naval officer who gave that command as he was carried dying below decks. Commodore adopted the quote for his battle flag in tribute to his friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lawrence

wolfie001

(6,662 posts)
9. Thank you!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:08 PM
Nov 21

I was about to post but decided to read the comments. Perry used the quote. The original ship was in fact surrendered. I think enough time has past that we can have a hearty laugh about this. So much mythology and truth-stretching from back then.

orangecrush

(27,785 posts)
13. I've seen the Niagra sailing more times than I can count
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:39 PM
Nov 21


And slipped up on the history.

Thanks for setting the record straight.

wolfie001

(6,662 posts)
15. Oh yes! Truly a miraculous and brave performance by our fleet that day
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:42 PM
Nov 21

On Lake Erie! I have the commemorative postage stamp somewhere. Cheers

pat_k

(12,569 posts)
18. It's also a saying the Democratic Party could take to heart.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 07:42 PM
Nov 21

When principle demands action, win or lose, come hell or high water, you act.

You don't give up the ship. You battle it out with everything you've got to the end, even if that end is a loss.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220817944

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