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Miles Archer

(21,054 posts)
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 07:21 PM Thursday

Turns out Thune really, REALLY wants that $500,000, calling it a "Senate-Specific Solution." SOLUTION, not "GRIFT."

The overwhelming House vote to repeal a provision allowing senators to sue if the Justice Department obtained their phone records without notice may ultimately fall flat as major obstacles in the Senate stand in the way of the change.

The House voted late Wednesday to scrap the “Arctic Frost” provision, which snuck its way into the final deal to end the shutdown last week and angered scores of lower chamber lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. The provision allows senators — but not House members — to sue the Justice Department and be awarded up to $500,000 damages for each “instance” of data collection. It is retroactive to 2022, so senators can sue over former special counsel Jack Smith’s probe into efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Plenty of senators agree with their House counterparts, but Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) has passionately defended the measure and shown little appetite to hold a vote on undoing it.

“That was a Senate-specific solution. The statute that was violated applied only to the Senate, which is why we addressed it the way that we did,” he told reporters at his weekly press conference. “We strengthened that provision when it comes to allowing a federal government agency — the Justice Department, in this case — to collect information, private information, on individual senators. We think that is a violation of powers under the Constitution.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/house-push-overturn-500-000-110000620.html

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Miles Archer

(21,054 posts)
2. Let them have it, with the provision that 100% of what they collect goes to Veterans, the Homeless, or feeding the poor.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 07:24 PM
Thursday

THEN, you'll see the idea vanish faster than poop through a goose.

Irish_Dem

(78,158 posts)
3. Making their theft legal while cutting off aid to hungry Americans.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 07:25 PM
Thursday

The best crooks make the law, they don't break it.

Midnight Writer

(25,021 posts)
4. We should present a bill to pay $500,000 to every citizen unlawfully detained by ICE.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 07:55 PM
Thursday

They are victimized by law enforcement more than any of these Senators were when under investigation.



Silent Type

(12,120 posts)
6. As long as it applies to all -- Dems and Independents included-- I'm OK with legislation. They still have to win in court.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:36 PM
Thursday

Boo1

(61 posts)
7. Do they?
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:41 PM
Thursday

They'd be suing the DOj, which will likely just roll over without mounting a defense.

Hell, the way the DOJ is currently they probably don't have a lawyer good enough to win if they did.

Silent Type

(12,120 posts)
10. Maybe. My guess is they won't, especially with midterms. Personally, if previous DOJ did spy on Senators without
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:57 PM
Thursday

proper approval, etc., it should be investigated, whether GOPer or Democrat.

If some of those Senators were investigated under reasonable suspicion (which shouldn’t be hard to prove), doubt they’ll want to bring it out in open for voters to see.

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