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demmiblue

(39,027 posts)
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:37 AM Nov 20

CNN: What if there are more names connected to the Democratic Party that come out in the files? CHRIS MURPHY: So what?

CNN: What if there are more names connected to the Democratic Party that come out in the files?

CHRIS MURPHY: So what?

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-11-20T13:10:44.537Z

And there you go.
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CNN: What if there are more names connected to the Democratic Party that come out in the files? CHRIS MURPHY: So what? (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 20 OP
Exactly.... FalloutShelter Nov 20 #1
It's call morality................. Lovie777 Nov 20 #2
Yep. FalloutShelter Nov 20 #3
Chris Murphy has integrity. yellow dahlia Nov 20 #42
Thank you FHRRK Nov 20 #43
Exactly Dave Id Nov 20 #10
Or homegirl Nov 20 #16
It does for Republicans. milestogo Nov 20 #26
Hiw many active politicians are going to be in Johonny Nov 20 #4
Yep. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. eShirl Nov 20 #5
If they show a person is different than we thought karynnj Nov 20 #6
I think Epstein offered rides and other things to get information sometimes travelingthrulife Nov 20 #15
I would agree that would be true after he was charged karynnj Nov 20 #33
Corporate media badly needs to frame this as just one more "both sides do it" issue. sop Nov 20 #7
Expose them all IronLionZion Nov 20 #8
Those would be the names that won't be redacted. nt defacto7 Nov 20 #9
But what if they find names connected to CNN, does Berman want the Congress to continue investigating, and exposing? Uncle Joe Nov 20 #11
It'll look ridiculously obvious if all the names are Ds, with absolutely no Rs. TheRickles Nov 20 #12
It's obvious no Democrats of any importance were involved in Epstein's crimes. sop Nov 20 #13
That's not true Wiz Imp Nov 20 #31
"Epstein himself donated some money to Democrats." MorbidButterflyTat Nov 20 #41
Right. The point being that the post I responded to Wiz Imp Nov 20 #45
Bill Richardson only died around 2 years ago, on September1, 2023. Celerity Nov 21 #53
They'll throw a handful of them under the bus. llmart Nov 20 #14
WOW, WOW, WOW... homegirl Nov 20 #17
Pimps will provide whatever gets them a good price. haele Nov 20 #20
Of course Katcat Nov 20 #23
I Don't Think There Is Any Report or Evidence Asserting Such.... ColoringFool Nov 20 #27
Lindsey won't be timms139 Nov 20 #35
Exactly right, a perv is a perv. OUT THEM ALL!! Joinfortmill Nov 20 #18
Therein lies the definitive difference between the two parties nuxvomica Nov 20 #19
Democrats do the right thing saying prosecute all involved including dems and MAGAts say "Leave Trump Alone" ChicagoTeamster Nov 20 #21
"America's Democratic Party... Halicarnassus Nov 20 #22
Boom! KPN Nov 20 #24
It's good to see someone on CNN pointing out the obvious: robbob Nov 20 #25
Let the chips fall where they may. I don't want to be associated with the criminally perverted whoever they are. marble falls Nov 20 #28
They will blab ad infinitum about whomever they have unless GOP. GreenWave Nov 20 #29
This is about morals and values not politics dwayneb Nov 20 #30
They all deserve the same. Jobs ended that day Melon Nov 20 #32
Only names that matter: Trump Epstein thought crime Nov 20 #34
It don't matter timms139 Nov 20 #36
The one thing that could kill any real good coming from the Epstein files slightlv Nov 20 #37
This is, of course, the right answer.... RT Atlanta Nov 20 #38
We dropped John Edwards like a stone just for having an affair and kicked Al Franken out of the senate for inappropriate LymphocyteLover Nov 20 #39
What a stupid question! MorbidButterflyTat Nov 20 #40
It's not about politics, CNN. It's about right and wrong. BadgerMom Nov 20 #44
We werent tge ones blocking tge release IbogaProject Nov 20 #46
This is the game the Trump admin. is trying to play... Dem4life1970 Nov 20 #47
I wouldn't care if Jimmy Carter himself was in there Skittles Nov 20 #48
Seriously! ReRe Nov 21 #49
The way the mainstream media does this kind of crap is so sleazy and lowest-form-of-lifey. nt C Moon Nov 21 #50
Let them out! Release all the names. We don't care. We want justice. Believe the women! mucholderthandirt Nov 21 #51
A criminal is a criminal dlk Nov 21 #52

FalloutShelter

(14,054 posts)
1. Exactly....
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:43 AM
Nov 20

What the right does not seem to comprehend is that we don’t care if it comes to light that Democrats were involved in this. They can burn in Hell with the rest of them.

Lovie777

(21,274 posts)
2. It's call morality.................
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:52 AM
Nov 20

yes, Democrats are also involved, but so are Republicans, and one is shithole, the person I did not vote for president.

FHRRK

(1,334 posts)
43. Thank you
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 06:24 PM
Nov 20

I was struggling with this, trying to understand the reasoning from anyone would say that as a logical response. Why am I, why are we different?

I friggen missed the easiest and obvious answer.

Johonny

(25,123 posts)
4. Hiw many active politicians are going to be in
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:12 AM
Nov 20

Those files? Not many. But Trump absolutely will be one of them.

karynnj

(60,713 posts)
6. If they show a person is different than we thought
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:22 AM
Nov 20

that will and should change their reputation. I would imagine the emails are unlikely to prove that many were involved in abusing children, backing the ring or providing coverup. Only the very clueless would write emails like that.

Like Summers' case, you may see sleaziness reading their own emails. Their own comments should impact how you see them. It is entirely fair that Harvard and other organizations drop Summers as the man they show is worse than his already problematic image.

Oddly, it is possible that Epstein was always on his best behavior around Clinton. This would make sense as before 2017, Clinton was his biggest name to drop and being seen as connected to powerful people was one root of Epstein's power. Since I joined DU in 2005, I have rarely defended Bill Clinton.

It will be important to look carefully at each person and avoid guilt by association if the connection does not involve participating or protecting Epstein and Maxwell.

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travelingthrulife

(3,994 posts)
15. I think Epstein offered rides and other things to get information sometimes
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:54 AM
Nov 20

and it didn't involve the pedophile part.
These people falling for Epstein's bs must have been incredibly naive

karynnj

(60,713 posts)
33. I would agree that would be true after he was charged
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 02:47 PM
Nov 20

Before, I'm not as sure. As to rides, I know that Senators yearly had to disclose any rides on jets. One concern was that even if totally legit, there was concern about buying access.

When he offered the Clinton Foundation the use of his jet for the trip to Africa, it could be seen as a donation to the Foundation from a wealthy man, connected to many powerful people, who had given lots of money to universities and campaigns.

Uncle Joe

(63,821 posts)
11. But what if they find names connected to CNN, does Berman want the Congress to continue investigating, and exposing?
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:41 AM
Nov 20

Thanks for the thread demmiblue

TheRickles

(3,097 posts)
12. It'll look ridiculously obvious if all the names are Ds, with absolutely no Rs.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:45 AM
Nov 20

There will have to be a couple of sacrificial R lambs, I think. Who do you think they'd select? I'm not sure.

sop

(17,040 posts)
13. It's obvious no Democrats of any importance were involved in Epstein's crimes.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:50 AM
Nov 20

Why else would Trump order a new investigation specifically targeting Democrats?

Wiz Imp

(8,385 posts)
31. That's not true
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 01:37 PM
Nov 20

Bill Richardson, former New Mexico Governor, was named as one of the men Virginia Giuffre was trafficked to. But that has been known for at least a decade and Richardson died quite a few years ago. Former Senator George Mitchell was apparently named by Giuffre as well. And it's been proven Stacy Plaskett, delegate from the Virgin Islands was texting with Epstein during a committee hearing (of course, she was a Republican at one point in time).

I'm sure there are Democratic donors as well - Epstein himself donated some money to Democrats.

The difference is there are ZERO Democrats looking to protect ANYONE named in the files, whether they be a Republican or a Democrat.

I would guess the majority of the perpetrators are people unknown to the general public at large, but they're probably ALL millionaires or billionaires. And we know, the richest of the rich are, on average, more likely to support Republicans than Democrats. So the majority of the perpetrators more than likely were Republicans.

Wiz Imp

(8,385 posts)
45. Right. The point being that the post I responded to
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 06:43 PM
Nov 20

said the files would reveal that no Democrats were involved in Epstein's illegal activities. We already know for a fact that isn't true. This isn't a partisan political thing. Epstein gladly associated with people from both parties. His only requirement to be in his orbit was to be filthy stinking rich. And those who acted illegally were into pedophilia, money laundering or both - political persuasion was irrelevant.

llmart

(17,187 posts)
14. They'll throw a handful of them under the bus.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:50 AM
Nov 20

Probably the ones who are not running again, are not currently in office, or the powers that be in the GOP will use it to get rid of the ones they think are dragging the party down.

I just hope Lindsay Graham is in there. He's had his nose so far up Trump's ass that you just know Trump has something on him.

haele

(14,932 posts)
20. Pimps will provide whatever gets them a good price.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 10:44 AM
Nov 20

If they're going to provide barely adolescent children, would it matter if they're boys or girls? Or intersex, for that matter.
Blackmailers wouldn't care either.

ColoringFool

(135 posts)
27. I Don't Think There Is Any Report or Evidence Asserting Such....
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 11:25 AM
Nov 20

Jeffrey was all about having Ghislaine recruit high school girls.

What the newly released Jeffrey Epstein documents reveal about his sex-trafficking ring | PBS News https://share.google/MdMu4qziMbZXNBuAJ

timms139

(459 posts)
35. Lindsey won't be
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 04:03 PM
Nov 20

if the rumors are true about him there were no males being used as far as we know .

nuxvomica

(13,808 posts)
19. Therein lies the definitive difference between the two parties
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 10:39 AM
Nov 20

We don't countenance the worst miscreancy in pursuit of power. That's a sign of strength, not weakness.

ChicagoTeamster

(264 posts)
21. Democrats do the right thing saying prosecute all involved including dems and MAGAts say "Leave Trump Alone"
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 10:45 AM
Nov 20

robbob

(3,735 posts)
25. It's good to see someone on CNN pointing out the obvious:
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 11:21 AM
Nov 20

That tRump is probably very much involved in this scandal. I don’t watch CNN very much, but I have tuned in to see this latest development, and I’m so sick of panel discussions about “who the president might be protecting”, and “are they trying to prevent more victims from being created by releasing these files”, but this is the first time I’ve seen someone (a guest, of course) pointing a finger in the most obvious direction. Of course, I’m sure this segment was quickly followed by an apologist explaining that no one has accused tRump of any wrongdoing, and how Maxwell said he was always a perfect gentleman…🙄

marble falls

(69,857 posts)
28. Let the chips fall where they may. I don't want to be associated with the criminally perverted whoever they are.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 11:26 AM
Nov 20

dwayneb

(1,101 posts)
30. This is about morals and values not politics
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 11:30 AM
Nov 20

Plenty of scummy people in politics of all persuasions. If there are Democrats in those files, they should pay the price just like any of the others affiliated with Epstein.

Melon

(932 posts)
32. They all deserve the same. Jobs ended that day
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 01:52 PM
Nov 20

And prison if it included minors or trafficking. Peoples lives were destroyed due to this.

timms139

(459 posts)
36. It don't matter
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 04:08 PM
Nov 20

what their politics are the outhouse has to be cleaned out ever so often and this might clean a bunch out from both sides that need to be gone . Might be a good reset for something that has lost it's way in doing a job for the people and not a select few . i just hope there are some big time lobbyist's that get put in their place along with the rest .

slightlv

(7,128 posts)
37. The one thing that could kill any real good coming from the Epstein files
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 04:28 PM
Nov 20

is how complex and octopus-armed the whole business was. There was the pedophilia trafficking (boys and girls, I'll bet). There was money laundering coming in and going out. It also sounds like he ran some sort of private air business where the mighty and those with money could fly on his jets, quickly getting where they needed to go. And gods help me, it also sounds like the evil basta$d was involved with some charities.

Sussing this all out is going to be nigh on impossible. It's also evident that "guilt by association" is probably a hell of a lot more nuanced than we've considered.

Clinton, for example, used the jet for flights on behalf of the Clinton Foundation. Okay... that's sounds legit, tho it may take some validation and verification.

But what got me really thinking about this was the news that Noam Chomsky also had some sort of association. After reading Chomsky all these years, I find it really hard to think of him as a pedophile, and more in line with using the jet as a privilege.

I'm sure we're going to find many more names with instances like this. But SO much emphasis has been put on the Epstein files only in relation to the pedophilia and sex trafficking (and of course, that IS the most heart wrenching and top priority where jail time is concerned) but with all that emphasis I'm afraid we hear a name and immediately file it under "sex trafficking"... I know we'll be shocked at some of the names that no doubt come up with a clear link to the Island or to other sex trafficking sites, but I'm afraid of the Epstein Files becoming this generation's McCarthy campaign... where *everybody* is guilty of sexual impropriety by association. And please... *don't* think I'm excusing or trying to normalize any of that... I'm NOT! I'm appalled at what was allowed to happen, with full knowledge of government officials, it looks like. Probably with some our own tax dollars thrown in, one way or another. And I hope every one of these women can find the justice they need to give them back a small sliver of peace. I'm just beginning to try to wrap my mind around how many pies this man had his fingers in... This one's going to take one hell of a flow chart or something to map out!

LymphocyteLover

(9,137 posts)
39. We dropped John Edwards like a stone just for having an affair and kicked Al Franken out of the senate for inappropriate
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 05:19 PM
Nov 20

touching... why would we hesitate to axe a Dem associated with Epstein???

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,994 posts)
40. What a stupid question!
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 05:44 PM
Nov 20

I wonder what MAGAt friendly CNN talking head expected him to say? A MAGAt type deflection? A whataboutism? A MAGAt type infantile emotional eruption?

BadgerMom

(3,372 posts)
44. It's not about politics, CNN. It's about right and wrong.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 06:33 PM
Nov 20

It’s frightening how dense they are.

Dem4life1970

(1,033 posts)
47. This is the game the Trump admin. is trying to play...
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:29 PM
Nov 20

1. Redact Trump's name out of all of the files. The only problem? The lawyers for the victims know what's in the files as do over 1,000 FBI Agents who are witnesses (and subject to subpoenas).

2. "We can't comment on the files as there is an ongoing investigation." Which is why they launched the phony investigations into Dems only associated with Epstein. Like this admin. has ever been stopped by past practice, precedent, or law (the East Wing demolition comes to mind).

Everything that this Admin. released has to be fact checked and vetted thoroughly. These are criminal, fascist, lawless individuals, reporting to an amoral, sociopathic, "president."

ReRe

(12,162 posts)
49. Seriously!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:19 AM
Nov 21

So-the-fuck-what? But I guarantee you, CNN, if there is a realistic chance that we will ever know all the names of the pedos, there will be many more Republicans than Democrats. Mark. My. Word. Period. What an asshole question to ask in the first place, CNN!

C Moon

(13,365 posts)
50. The way the mainstream media does this kind of crap is so sleazy and lowest-form-of-lifey. nt
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:45 AM
Nov 21
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