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In It to Win It

(12,648 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:25 PM Nov 2025

Trump's Justice Department may have accidentally handed Democrats five House seats - Ian Millhiser @ Vox

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In a decision that could potentially reshape the 2026 midterm elections and cement the Democratic Party’s future control of the US House, a federal court just struck down the gerrymandered Texas maps that President Donald Trump pressured that state to enact. If the decision holds, it could cost Republicans as many as five House seats.

And that’s not all. The most remarkable thing about the three-judge panel’s decision in League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) v. Abbott is that it turns on an incompetent decision by Trump’s own administration.

As Judge Jeffrey Brown, a Trump appointee, explains in the court’s opinion, Texas lawmakers initially “didn’t have much appetite to redistrict on purely partisan grounds” — even as Trump urged them to do so. But Texas Republicans appear to have changed their mind after the Justice Department sent a letter last July to Texas’s top officials, which demanded that the state redraw several districts to change their racial makeup.

That letter, as I’ll explain in more detail below, misread a federal appeals court opinion to mean that the state was required to remake its maps. According to Judge Brown’s opinion, “it’s challenging to unpack the DOJ Letter because it contains so many factual, legal, and typographical errors.” He added that “even attorneys employed by the Texas Attorney General — who professes to be a political ally of the Trump Administration — describe the DOJ Letter as ‘legally[] unsound,’ ‘baseless,’ ‘erroneous,’ ‘ham-fisted,’ and ‘a mess.’”

Oops! Trump’s Justice Department may have accidentally handed Democrats five House seats

www.vox.com/politics/469...

Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser.bsky.social) 2025-11-18T21:15:01.580Z
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Trump's Justice Department may have accidentally handed Democrats five House seats - Ian Millhiser @ Vox (Original Post) In It to Win It Nov 2025 OP
Let's hope so Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #1
Trump will raise hell with 'Pam' to find a way to overturn CA redistricting on same arguement Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #2
Oh, I'm sure SCOTUS will find a way to overturn this decision... regnaD kciN Nov 2025 #4
Sadly, I fear that entirely possible Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #5
Hellooooooo Shadow Docket n/t BaronChocula Nov 2025 #22
By my thinking, they don't need to find a way. bluestarone Nov 2025 #13
100 percent. There's literally no such thing as settled law in our legal system. BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #24
It's my understanding that the CA redistricting is strictly conditioned on that of TX. John Farmer Nov 2025 #8
Nah, not now that the people of CA have spoken. They're going through with this. Thanks, Texas. ancianita Nov 2025 #11
That's not what I'm reading. stopdiggin Nov 2025 #14
The Texas ruling does not affect California Prop. 50 LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #19
What happens to California's Prop 50 maps if Texas redistricting efforts are blocked? LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #17
I guess Texas forgot... COL Mustard Nov 2025 #28
We live on hope. efhmc Nov 2025 #34
Good malaise Nov 2025 #3
Marc Elias coming up after commercials on Nicole malaise Nov 2025 #6
Bless the Mark Elias Group! ancianita Nov 2025 #12
This ruling is going to affect a number of Texas races LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #7
This means Jasmine Crockett can keep her district. ananda Nov 2025 #9
Yep malaise Nov 2025 #10
Well, no one ever said Donnie's DoJ was terribly bright. paleotn Nov 2025 #15
It's really scary how many total dimwits can get law degrees. (or MBAs,, etc.) erronis Nov 2025 #18
Just remember.... COL Mustard Nov 2025 #31
But how many politicians graduate below the 50% line in any field. Then went into politics. erronis Nov 2025 #32
As the old saying goes.... COL Mustard Nov 2025 #33
The school kids must have called him "Brissy" when he was growing up. nt Exp Nov 2025 #16
I hope California doesn't back down and they go forward with what they're gonna do until after the midterms oldmanlynn Nov 2025 #20
That is what I was going to ask, will this mean California may back off? I think they should stay Bev54 Nov 2025 #27
Good, they got what they deserve for trying to rig things. ChicagoTeamster Nov 2025 #21
The repukes think they are all so clever Javaman Nov 2025 #23
The meritocracy of super geniuses has a truly spectacular track record IronLionZion Nov 2025 #25
SCOTUS to the rescue. RandySF Nov 2025 #26
Yeah, if there's one thing the SC 6 can be relied on for, it's bending rules for Trump muriel_volestrangler Nov 2025 #30
Oopsie. TomSlick Nov 2025 #29
There is a crazed dissent to this ruling that is really strange LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #35

Attilatheblond

(8,876 posts)
2. Trump will raise hell with 'Pam' to find a way to overturn CA redistricting on same arguement
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:41 PM
Nov 2025

and that's why Newsom was so damned smart to put Prop 50 to the voters of California. California can blow a big raspberry to whiny baby in the oval office.

regnaD kciN

(27,639 posts)
4. Oh, I'm sure SCOTUS will find a way to overturn this decision...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:54 PM
Nov 2025

…while, at the same time, blocking the Prop 50 redistricting.

bluestarone

(22,174 posts)
13. By my thinking, they don't need to find a way.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:19 PM
Nov 2025

They can just do it with no reasons. That's who THIS court is.

BannonsLiver

(20,593 posts)
24. 100 percent. There's literally no such thing as settled law in our legal system.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 08:02 PM
Nov 2025

Anything in the constitution is just one Heritage Foundation challenge away from being overturned.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
11. Nah, not now that the people of CA have spoken. They're going through with this. Thanks, Texas.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:16 PM
Nov 2025

stopdiggin

(15,462 posts)
14. That's not what I'm reading.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:25 PM
Nov 2025
- snip - - "When Prop 50 was initially introduced, there was language in the measure that stated California would only move forward with its redistricting — also known as gerrymandering — efforts if Texas proceeded with its plans. That language was removed from the measure before it reached Newsom's desk for him to sign into law."

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-prop-50-whats-next-texas-ruling/69474344

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,823 posts)
19. The Texas ruling does not affect California Prop. 50
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:40 PM
Nov 2025

The TX ruling would *not* invalidate CA's new districts. The amendment passed by Prop 50 mentions Texas, but there's no trigger provision. It's just an explanatory reference. ballotpedia.org/California_P...

The Downballot (@the-downballot.com) 2025-11-18T18:19:10.901Z

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,823 posts)
17. What happens to California's Prop 50 maps if Texas redistricting efforts are blocked?
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:39 PM
Nov 2025

The appeal of the Texas redistricting case will NOT affect California's Prop 50

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-prop-50-whats-next-texas-ruling/69474344

Even after a panel of federal judges ruled on Tuesday that Texas cannot use new mid-census congressional maps intended to favor Republicans, California's counter-plan still stands barring any future court rulings.

Gov. Gavin Newsom and other Democratic leaders earlier this year announced Proposition 50 as a way to offset Texas' plans to try to send five more Republicans to Congress. The voter-approved measure redrew California's district maps to try to send five more Democrats to the Lower House.

When Prop 50 was initially introduced, there was language in the measure that stated California would only move forward with its redistricting — also known as gerrymandering — efforts if Texas proceeded with its plans. That language was removed from the measure before it reached Newsom's desk for him to sign into law.

malaise

(296,085 posts)
6. Marc Elias coming up after commercials on Nicole
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:59 PM
Nov 2025

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LetMyPeopleVote

(179,823 posts)
7. This ruling is going to affect a number of Texas races
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:02 PM
Nov 2025

Al Green is one of the plaintiffs in this case and was one of the main targets of this redistricting scam. I have known Al for 20 or so years and has work on voter protection efforts with Al. Al represents CD 9 but was redistricted so that much of his district is now in CD 18. Al is currently going to run in CD 18 which was Sylvester Turner's district. Abbott has been an asshole and has kept this seat open for 11 months. There will be a runoff on January 31 between two great young democrats, Christen Menefee and Amanda Edwards. The winner and loser of that runoff would then have to run against Al Green in the March primary.



Jasime Crockett was also targeted and there were rumors that she may run for Texas Senate. If this ruling stand, Jasime will not have to change offices.


In another race, Lloyd Doggett's and another younger democrat's district were in effect merged and Lloyd was going to retire. If this ruling stand, Lloyd does not have to retire


Finally, Al's old district was redrawn to be a very white district and an asshole name Briscoe Cain was going to run in that district. Cain is a real asshole and I would hate to see him in Congress. Here what Cain posted about this ruling


I am really hoping that this ruling stands

paleotn

(22,211 posts)
15. Well, no one ever said Donnie's DoJ was terribly bright.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:32 PM
Nov 2025

How dumb they are boggles the mind.

COL Mustard

(8,218 posts)
31. Just remember....
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 08:28 PM
Nov 2025

50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their med school class.

erronis

(23,872 posts)
32. But how many politicians graduate below the 50% line in any field. Then went into politics.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 08:36 PM
Nov 2025

oldmanlynn

(821 posts)
20. I hope California doesn't back down and they go forward with what they're gonna do until after the midterms
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:42 PM
Nov 2025

Then they can get back to whatever they had before, but I would not trust any of these Republicans because this could just be another trick

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
27. That is what I was going to ask, will this mean California may back off? I think they should stay
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 08:16 PM
Nov 2025

on track because we don't know what other red states are going to do Trump's bidding.

Javaman

(65,710 posts)
23. The repukes think they are all so clever
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:57 PM
Nov 2025

They surround themselves with like minded yes people and so therefore they think whatever they do is brilliant and perfect

When in reality it’s completely inept and stupid

muriel_volestrangler

(106,206 posts)
30. Yeah, if there's one thing the SC 6 can be relied on for, it's bending rules for Trump
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 08:27 PM
Nov 2025

He never comes off worse; it's just a question of how much better they make things for him.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,823 posts)
35. There is a crazed dissent to this ruling that is really strange
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 05:14 PM
Nov 2025

I have been volunteering on election law/voting rights matters since 2004 and Prof. Hasen is a great source of information in this area. This dissent is nuts

Judge Jerry Smith Issues His 104-Page Dissent to Yesterday’s 3-Judge District Court Holding that Texas’s Re-Redistricting is Likely an Unconstitutional Racial Gerrymander. Along the Way He Calls Out the “Pernicious” & “Outrageous” Behavior of Judge Brown in the Majority electionlawblog.org?p=153106

Rick Hasen (@rickhasen.bsky.social) 2025-11-19T20:44:24.987Z

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=153106

It begins with a remarkable attack on Judge Brown (a Trump appointee) explaining that Smith was not responsible for any delay in issuing the decision:

In my 37 years on the federal bench, this is the most outrageous conduct by a judge that I have ever encountered in a case in which I have been involved.
In summary, Judge Brown has issued a 160-page opinion without giving me any reasonable opportunity to respond. I will set forth the details. The readers can judge for themselves.


And then turning to the merits:
The main winners from Judge Brown’s opinion are George Soros andmGavin Newsom. The obvious losers are the People of Texas and the Rule of Law. I dissent.
In the interest of time, this dissent is, admittedly, disjointed. Usually, in dissenting from an opinion of this length, I would spend more days refining and reorganizing the dissent for purposes of impact and readability. But that approach is not reasonably possible here because these two judges have not allowed it.

The resulting dissent is far from a literary masterpiece. If, however, there were a Nobel Prize for Fiction, Judge Brown’s opinion would be a prime candidate.


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I tried to read this dissent but is very disjointed and poorly written
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