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What a lot of us wanted to think was an abnormality is widespread.
THE DEPTH OF MAGAS MORAL COLLAPSE
How we got to I love Hitler.
OCTOBER 17, 2025
By George Packer
https://apple.news/AJvYfbDl0RVmi7Vgvzd-ONg
When leaders of Young Republican groups around the country exchange texts that say I love Hitler; that joke about gas chambers and rape, approve of slavery, sneer about watermelon people and monkeys in zoos, and throw around words like faggot and retarded, they arent just exposing their own anti-Semitism, racism, homophobia, and misogyny. To see only the varieties of bigotry with which were painfully familiar is to miss the depth of MAGAs moral collapse. Professing love for Hitler is more than anti-Semiticits antihuman. Its a proud refusal to be bound by the most basic standard of goodness, a deliberate expression of contempt for everything decent. The texts degrade all of us.
And theyre hardly surprising. Cruelty and humiliation have become the Trump administrations common currency. With permission from President Donald Trumps coarse rhetoric and vows of hatred, Elon Musks Nazi salute, Tucker Carlsons flirtation with Holocaust denial, and Stephen Millers rage-filled threats, the young loyalists who wrote the texts were speaking the language of the people they admire most. Nor was it surprising when, the day after Politico revealed the texts existence, the image of an American flag altered into the shape of a swastika appeared on the cubicle wall behind a staffer in the Capitol Hill office of a MAGA congressman. In that culture, the rehabilitation of the man who stands for the worst in humanity was inevitable.
Having been given permission from the countrys most powerful person, the Young Republicans received forgiveness from its second-most-powerful. Vice President J. D. Vance refused to condemn their words, explaining: I really dont want us to grow up in a country where a kid telling a stupid joketelling a very offensive, stupid jokeis cause to ruin their lives. But the authors of the texts have already grown uptheyre men in their 20s and 30s, climbing the rungs of Republican Party ladders in Kansas, Arizona, Vermont, and New York, firm in the belief that the viler their language, the higher theyll go. One is already an officeholder.
For Vance, ethical judgment has become a pure matter of partisanship, to the point of overcoming his most personal bonds. When a DOGE member was revealed to have posted You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity and Normalize Indian hate, Vancemarried to an Indian Americanscoffed at the ensuing outrage and demanded that the offender be rehired. But when private citizens anywhere said something ugly about Charlie Kirk, the vice president went after their livelihood. Once morality is rotted out by partisan relativism, the floor gives way and the fall into nihilism is swift.
The abandonment of a universal morality isnt just philosophically wrongits politically stupid. Any successful opposition to Trump has to begin with a lucid understanding of whats at stake: not just past and present harms done to the marginalized, but everything that Americans once believed they cared about, including the values that were co-opted by the right before MAGA abandoned themrespect for law and custom, patriotism, family ties, common decency. To some liberals and progressives these values came to sound old-fashioned, corny, even dangerous. But anyone frightened by the countrys downward spiral has to believe that our society still shares them, and can still respond to them if someone makes the appeal.
yourout
(8,628 posts)And they never have
Fiendish Thingy
(21,202 posts)And it will be a catalyst in their undoing.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and their overconfidence in expressing their racism, etc. will create many opportunities for enlightenment.
Arazi
(8,451 posts)The MAGATs in my life take great delight in being cruel and hateful, especially to our transgender family member.
Trying to enlighten cult members is futile. Like an addict theyre going to have to experience their own reckoning/economic catastrophe/failed state or whatever before they reconsider the cult. Nothing a libtard says can penetrate their propaganda bubble
Fiendish Thingy
(21,202 posts)I used the word enlightened in quotations as a pun on the phrase sunlight is the best disinfectant, meaning the brazen expression of hatred and cruelty will be exposed to public scrutiny and rejected, ultimately leading to their undoing, not enlightenment and redemption.
The bigots wont be changed, but their bigotry will be exposed and rejected by the nation.