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angrychair

(11,344 posts)
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 01:06 PM Oct 23

Death Panels

I don't think the impending healthcare crisis is being framed in the right context.

With respect to the impending expiration of the ACA subsidies let me be unambiguously clear: this is the death of healthcare as we know it

That isn't hyperbolic. It's not fear mongering. It's reality.

Here is why this is WAY more of a big deal than most have expressed.

It's a death spiral. Slow. Unyielding. Inevitable.

So millions get knocked off Medicare. Millions more drop off the ACA network due to costs.
Those that drop off are the healthier people that decide the risk is low for them and no longer worth the cost involved.
That leaves a smaller pool of people and a higher risk pool of people.
Prices have to go up to account for the smaller pool and higher risk.

More people drop out.

Pool is now smaller and a higher level risk pool.
Prices have to go up to account for the smaller pool and higher risk.

More people drop out.

Rinse. Repeat.

Until it reaches critical mass in which the risk pool is so small no amount of money covers the spread and it implodes under it's own weight.

That isn't hypothetical. In order for the system to work it either needs a mixture of low and higher risk participation or significant offsets to account for the level of risk in the pool of participants.

We are facing a healthcare armageddon and once it starts it's spiral it will be all but impossible to stop it.


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Death Panels (Original Post) angrychair Oct 23 OP
Too bad we didn't run on healthcare reform. Hope we do next year. Silent Type Oct 23 #1
Please correct me if I'm wrong... anciano Oct 23 #2
That is correct angrychair Oct 23 #3
The Kaiser Family Foundation gab13by13 Oct 23 #4
Yea, I saw that angrychair Oct 23 #5
Many of the healthcare cuts gab13by13 Oct 23 #6

anciano

(1,996 posts)
2. Please correct me if I'm wrong...
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 01:16 PM
Oct 23

but it is my understanding that the United States is the only industrialized nation in the world without universal healthcare.

angrychair

(11,344 posts)
3. That is correct
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 01:19 PM
Oct 23

Nice, huh? Are nation loves to brag about it's "greatness" and "freedom" but we all live in some level of fear as most spend their lives struggling just to keep a roof over their head and food in their mouth.

gab13by13

(30,321 posts)
4. The Kaiser Family Foundation
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 01:54 PM
Oct 23

Did a study, not renewing the Obamacare subsidies will kill 50,000 people per year.

That’s just the numbers for Obamacare

angrychair

(11,344 posts)
5. Yea, I saw that
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 02:05 PM
Oct 23

Which is part of the reason I wrote what I did because their position is bullshit.

It doesn't account for the death spiral the higher risk pool causes.
Its a superficial analysis, just looking at the people being dropped and not the cumulative effect of smaller risk pools on costs and enrollment.

gab13by13

(30,321 posts)
6. Many of the healthcare cuts
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 02:08 PM
Oct 23

Don’t take effect until Dec 1, 2026, right after the election.

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