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democratsruletheday

(1,644 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:20 AM Thursday

Well, this is MY last post on the farmers (welfare) package....

Article from Politico re-hashing most of what we know already. Thing is, even IF the governmet re-opened tomorrow, it would take well into Nov. or Dec. to get asshole's biggest voting block their money, which would be too late for a crap ton of farmers. They are going broke in real time.

Article claims they could be given as much as 50 billion now, which comes on the heels of the Administration giving away 20-40 billion to Argentina. Yeah, I know...it's what they voted for but if you don't recognize how this mess can hurt all of us then I don't know what to tell you all. Here's the article:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/16/trump-promised-farmers-help-its-complicated-00610757

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Well, this is MY last post on the farmers (welfare) package.... (Original Post) democratsruletheday Thursday OP
Now they are Traildogbob Thursday #1
I saw where they are digging up an additional 20 billion. gab13by13 Thursday #2
Our money. Traildogbob Thursday #3
I JUST read that too Traildog.... democratsruletheday Thursday #5
Right you are. Traildogbob Thursday #6
The regime is definitely a criminal enterprise. littlemissmartypants Thursday #15
I really don't think this current administration was going to bail out the farmers .............. Lovie777 Thursday #4
Isn't there appropriated infrastructure money he can steal gab13by13 Thursday #7
"Big Farma" Skittles Thursday #26
Farm subsidies and bailouts have been almost continuous since the Great Depression. walkingman Thursday #8
Farmer bailouts are indeed in large part self perpetuating. Even more... Shoeless Louis Thursday #21
just because they are LLCs does not mean they are Big Farma. yellowdogintexas Thursday #28
I think they did this to themselves Keepthesoulalive Thursday #30
There is absolutely no excuse for what Trump has done with tariffs. To make matter worse walkingman Thursday #32
Two senators each for the dirt states is why Mysterian Friday #39
Why would Trump bother sending them a bailout? He doesn't expect to ever need their votes again. flashman13 Thursday #14
Bingo. littlemissmartypants Thursday #16
Optics. progressoid Thursday #22
The only optics he cares about are toughness and cruelty. flashman13 Thursday #23
Correction: the BIG farms will get bailouts NickB79 Thursday #9
farm bankruptcies have doubled this year progressoid Thursday #19
I think we should separate Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits walkingman Thursday #10
The damage is done. Harvest time is almost over, completely over in many crops... Wounded Bear Thursday #11
It was always going to hurt US. That's what they wanted; it's what they voted for. Aristus Thursday #12
Idiocracy ....movie satire comes to reality! ashredux Thursday #13
Farmers are people. The end. littlemissmartypants Thursday #17
Let's be clear angrychair Thursday #18
I hate to argue this point but I think you're mistaken Red Mountain Thursday #25
call it farmfare or aggfare kbowman Thursday #20
I think we're in a position now where real consequences... Happy Hoosier Thursday #24
The problem here is that Red Mountain Thursday #27
Why did most of them vote for the leopard Keepthesoulalive Thursday #31
They surely fucking did Prairie Gates Thursday #33
Farmers are optomists Red Mountain Thursday #35
A quart of wheat for a Denarius, 3 quarts of barley for a denarius. Do not harm the olive oil or wine.... NorthStarStCentrist Thursday #29
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Friday #36
Julius Seizure will do something very big, Hassler Thursday #34
Boo fuckin' hoo Mysterian Friday #37
They will give the bailout money only after Blue Full Moon Friday #38

Traildogbob

(12,053 posts)
3. Our money.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:27 AM
Thursday

From those that pay taxes. Not from the “tariff Fund”
(Our taxes as Well if it existed) that has trillions stashed for………….trump and his pals.
Farmers, you been had, again. Stop hitting yourselves.

democratsruletheday

(1,644 posts)
5. I JUST read that too Traildog....
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:32 AM
Thursday

will edit that change into my original post...thanks. These fuckers are running us into an iceberg

Traildogbob

(12,053 posts)
6. Right you are.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:35 AM
Thursday

Thieves, liars and child abusers. With their God’s blessings.
No funds for snap. Guess Jesus needs to start passing out fish, bread and wine.

Lovie777

(20,749 posts)
4. I really don't think this current administration was going to bail out the farmers ..............
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:28 AM
Thursday

just a hunch. Same parallel to heath insurance, good paying jobs, and of course education.

More money in their pockets.

walkingman

(9,989 posts)
8. Farm subsidies and bailouts have been almost continuous since the Great Depression.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:03 AM
Thursday

It is bipartisan, and I personally think it is self-perpetuating. This year a large part will be because of tariffs, often it is weather related, but any given year it is because of price levels, which are caused by Agricultural Risk Coverage (ARC) and Price Loss Coverage (PLC) through the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).

IMO, these bailouts because of government actions (tariffs, etc) become expected and have no consequences because taxpayers mask the issue. It encourages bad practices and has no political consequences. It is simply corporate welfare (most farms these days are LLCs).

Shoeless Louis

(90 posts)
21. Farmer bailouts are indeed in large part self perpetuating. Even more...
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:19 PM
Thursday

… so now that the tariffs have destroyed trust in our ‘good faith’ negotiations. Trump is nothing more than a bull in a china shop when it comes to business decisions. The good news is that maybe we won’t have to sell our National Parks to Saudi Arabia, they can just buy up all the swiftly disappearing private farms. The farmers will still have a job, but it would be working on somebody’s else’s farm.

yellowdogintexas

(23,487 posts)
28. just because they are LLCs does not mean they are Big Farma.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:05 PM
Thursday

I grew up in a farming area where the vast majority of the farms are family farms. The LLC designation allows them to function as a small corporation but they are by no means giant business enterprises. My sister's family has an LLC; they have about 10 workers at most. While most of their crops are managed completely by machine, they grow tobacco which is extremely labor intensive. Once the plants are in the ground, everything is done by hand; it is backbreaking work and it takes an entire year to bring in the crop.

I know a lot of them voted for Republicans but there is no excuse for what the administration has done to them.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,935 posts)
30. I think they did this to themselves
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:27 PM
Thursday

He did the exact same thing during his first term and he doesn’t care about them he just needed their vote.

walkingman

(9,989 posts)
32. There is absolutely no excuse for what Trump has done with tariffs. To make matter worse
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:32 PM
Thursday

it is crazy that the POTUS is allowed to pick the winners and the losers in all aspects of our economy - including farmers. The cost of production is affected, planning is impossible, and prices across the board are affected.

Agree that because you are a LLC only means that farmers are trying to limit their liability. The bad thing about the whole process is....IMO, a program created with good intentions is abused by those with wealth and influence, as is our entire "free market" system. There is really nothing free market about any of it.

It is a system that leaves all the players with no options - they have to play within the system or it is almost a guaranteed lose situation. Farming like everything in the US is about influence and sadly the political players know how to use this system to stay in power.

Mysterian

(6,019 posts)
39. Two senators each for the dirt states is why
Fri Oct 17, 2025, 02:36 PM
Friday

Farmers should pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

flashman13

(1,663 posts)
14. Why would Trump bother sending them a bailout? He doesn't expect to ever need their votes again.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 11:17 AM
Thursday

progressoid

(52,177 posts)
22. Optics.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:20 PM
Thursday

He wants to be seen as their savior. Or at least be the center of attention. He loves attention.

NickB79

(20,133 posts)
9. Correction: the BIG farms will get bailouts
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:08 AM
Thursday

Small family farms will get a pittance, go bankrupt, and see their land bought up by the megafarm corporations.

If they're lucky, they'll be hired on as laborers on the land they once owned.

progressoid

(52,177 posts)
19. farm bankruptcies have doubled this year
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:00 PM
Thursday

compared to last year. Yeah, it's not the mega farms going bankrupt.

walkingman

(9,989 posts)
10. I think we should separate Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:29 AM
Thursday

from the "farm bill" because it muddies the waters. If SNAP was funded separately, then it would clearly show what each of the political parties actually support. Historically, the GOP does not like SNAP because it is a social program. However, they have no problem at all spending billions to bailout and subsidize corporate farms (which btw most farms are LLCs) at taxpayer expense.

Wounded Bear

(63,264 posts)
11. The damage is done. Harvest time is almost over, completely over in many crops...
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:33 AM
Thursday

The effect on food prices is locked in and farmers everywhere are facing bankrupcy from losing a season of production. Pouring money in won't help the basic problems caused by trump this year, and will mostly funnel into the BigAg producers anyway. Family farms have suffered another hammer blow.

Trumponomics in action.

Aristus

(71,138 posts)
12. It was always going to hurt US. That's what they wanted; it's what they voted for.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:35 AM
Thursday

So if it hurts them before it hurts us, well, that's just too fucking bad for them. Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em sideways with a splintery two-by-four.

angrychair

(11,302 posts)
18. Let's be clear
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 11:55 AM
Thursday

Any money they give out is almost entirely going to go to corporations with big factory farms.
The concept of the independent family farm is almost entirely a lie.
The USDA only defines a family farm with a farm income less than $350,000 but in many cases these "small" farms are actually owned or have exclusive contracts with a big corporations and the "farmers" are often little more than caretakers but on paper at least, "the farmer owns the land". It's how big AG companies keep that money flowing.

Red Mountain

(2,201 posts)
25. I hate to argue this point but I think you're mistaken
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 05:41 PM
Thursday

This is from Wikipedia (and a bit dated) but more current info seems to me to indicate things aren't all that different now. Biggest change doesn't seem to be the number of non-family corporate farms going up but that the ones that exist are controlling more land as a percentage of land farmed.

This doesn't mean that corporations aren't asserting too much control over farmers......either through contract growing, gmo seed, chemicals or just plain controlling the market for farm products but you get the idea. It is NOT a free market and the truly independent farmer has a tough time surviving the inevitable dips in commodity market prices.

I'm a small family farmer. One of these days I really need to get around to forming a llc which will make me a....drum roll.....corporate farmer.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_farming

The 2012 US Census of Agriculture indicates that 5.06 percent of US farms are corporate farms. These include family corporations (4.51 percent) and non-family corporations (0.55 percent). Of the family farm corporations, 98 percent are small corporations, with 10 or fewer stockholders. Of the non-family farm corporations, 90 percent are small corporations, with 10 or fewer stockholders. Non-family corporate farms account for 1.36 percent of US farmland area. Family farms (including family corporate farms) account for 96.7 percent of US farms and 89 percent of US farmland area;[26] a USDA study estimated that family farms accounted for 85 percent of US gross farm income in 2011.[27] Other farmland in the US is accounted for by several other categories, including single proprietorships where the owner is not the farm operator, non-family partnerships, estates, trusts, cooperatives, collectives, institutional, research, experimental and American Indian Reservation farms.

In the US, the average size of a non-family corporate farm is 1078 acres, i.e. smaller than the average family corporate farm (1249 acres) and smaller than the average partnership farm (1131 acres).[26]

kbowman

(6 posts)
20. call it farmfare or aggfare
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:01 PM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Relief for farmers should have a name similar sounding to relief for poor struggling non-farmers. Give it a similar sounding name - e.g. farmfare, etc. They see themselves as different, but they are not. Make them think whenever they hear it. I'm sure someone here can come up with some good ones.

Edit: However, I remembered that most farmers are fairly well off and farming if not owning multiple square miles of land (I grew up surrounded by them). So, farmfare and wellfare are not really the same thing. One set of people genuinely could use help, the other are well off, but don't want to have any consequences for their past bad decisions.

Happy Hoosier

(9,162 posts)
24. I think we're in a position now where real consequences...
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 05:03 PM
Thursday

... may be needed to break the fever dream. I don;t like it. But if we keep bailing them out, what incentive do they have to change? They can have their cake, and eat it too.

Red Mountain

(2,201 posts)
27. The problem here is that
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 05:56 PM
Thursday

the farmers didn't ask Trump to antagonize the Chinese and destroy the markets they rely on. The markets they built over the years.

Yes, red states tend to be rural. Yes, they voted for Trump. But they're not all republicans.......and the ones that are are seeing where the culture war bullshit they got sucked into has led them.

Small farmers are businessmen, first and foremost. They see how bad the current climate at the top is for business. If it doesn't get better the handouts will never be enough. They'll inevitably fail.

It's an opportunity to educate, not beat them down.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,935 posts)
31. Why did most of them vote for the leopard
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:31 PM
Thursday

He is what he always was a failed businessman who has the intellect of an amoeba.

Prairie Gates

(6,557 posts)
33. They surely fucking did
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:47 PM
Thursday

It was the number one top line item of his entire trade platform. He did it last time and promised he would do it again. What kind of an idiot could have voted for Trump not understanding that he would be engaging in a trade war with China that had the potential to damage their markets?

Red Mountain

(2,201 posts)
35. Farmers are optomists
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 07:25 PM
Thursday

It's always worked out in the past. Because the Chinese didn't have other options.

Now they do.

Those markets might never come back if South America has lower production costs.

I don't fault some farmer in the midwest getting caught with his pants down. Things just changed. A lot.

Graham Platner would like a word.....

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ODDCdZFXnmQ

29. A quart of wheat for a Denarius, 3 quarts of barley for a denarius. Do not harm the olive oil or wine....
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:12 PM
Thursday

It's getting to that point.

Hassler

(4,605 posts)
34. Julius Seizure will do something very big,
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 07:21 PM
Thursday

Very powerful for his farmers in two weeks, or maybe fourteen days.

Blue Full Moon

(2,943 posts)
38. They will give the bailout money only after
Fri Oct 17, 2025, 01:04 PM
Friday

The tech bros get enough of the farmland at dirt cheap prices.

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