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angrychair

(11,311 posts)
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:56 PM Wednesday

Greta Thunberg was Tortured (confirmed)

Last edited Fri Oct 17, 2025, 01:50 AM - Edit history (1)

Greta Thunberg and her associates were taken from a boats carrying food aid to Gaza in international waters.
While held prisoner, she was beaten, sexually assaulted (forced to strip naked multiple times in a public area, beaten and had photos taken of her while naked) deprived of water and food, left in a cage exposed to direct sunlight for days.

Greta was then taken into a building to be searched and undressed.

– The guards have no empathy or humanity, and they keep taking selfies with me. There’s a lot I don’t remember. So much is happening at once. You’re in shock. You’re in pain, but you go into a state of trying to stay calm.


And

She was driven on to the prison. Outside, she was forced to take off her clothes again, she says.


And for anyone that says it didn't happen, here is Ben-Gvir, Israel's minister of internal security saying this:
Ben-Gvir himself later told the media about his visit to the prison – and boasted about how harshly they were treated. He described it as a policy that he himself had ordered.

– I am proud that we treat flotilla activists as supporters of terrorism, he told the daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth. They should experience the conditions in Ketziot prison and think twice before returning to Israel. That’s how it works.


The international community stood by and willingly let Israel torture and sexually assault their citizens and failed to condemn it or in the case of the Swedish government, to blame the victims.

Source: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/25LgKq/greta-thunberg-they-kicked-me-every-time-the-flag-touched-my-face
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Greta Thunberg was Tortured (confirmed) (Original Post) angrychair Wednesday OP
When is it too much? SWBTATTReg Wednesday #1
It was almost too much when we still had a democracy, now it will never be too much. nt yaesu Wednesday #5
It's also too much when your gov doesn't have your back womanofthehills Thursday #119
for Republiscum? Never. For decent people like us. It's always too much. LymphocyteLover Wednesday #15
for the psychopaths, it's never enough. nt Javaman Wednesday #22
So true, as we are seeing in real time, tRUMP, and his pathologically messed up idiots compete w/ each other on SWBTATTReg Wednesday #43
Message deleted by the DU Administrators womanofthehills Thursday #121
rt.com? Seriously? sarisataka Thursday #123
In any war, police action, or authoritarian state slightlv Wednesday #77
She was born Jan 2003, so she is currently 22. nt SomewhereInTheMiddle Thursday #109
And so it goes, throughout history, Disaffected Wednesday #2
and of all the people of the world, I would have expected the Israelis to have avoided this kind of behavior---- Jack Valentino Wednesday #87
Ben-Gvir torture warning womanofthehills Thursday #120
Too long ago. Disaffected Thursday #134
Disgusting fit for a Nurenberg trial UTUSN Wednesday #3
Horrific Johnny2X2X Wednesday #4
I bet Dump is salivating at the chance to sic his ICE goons on her Blue Owl Wednesday #6
Right. yellow dahlia Wednesday #7
Reuchscomamdsnt Miller has been walking around all day with 3Hotdogs Wednesday #25
Yes YD. Greta is an international treasure and should be protected. Irish_Dem Wednesday #32
She hasn't succumbed to Stockholm Syndrome,apparently. BattleRow Wednesday #40
She has a strong will and moral core. Irish_Dem Wednesday #42
Sage advice, not just for Greta RVN VET71 Wednesday #24
Beaten and tortured simply for wanting to feed starving people whom Israel wants to kill. Lonestarblue Wednesday #8
Cruelty is used to dominate, manipulate, or intimidate others. walkingman Wednesday #9
yes it is used to control, intimidate, punish. Irish_Dem Wednesday #34
Greta is like Jane Goodall in that her strength comes from within and in doing the right thing. Botany Wednesday #10
Evil has taken over the world. And the US is part of the evil. Irish_Dem Wednesday #11
They are indeed angrychair Wednesday #13
In the majority of the cases, the U.S. is directing and financing the evil. Shoeless Louis Wednesday #93
I hope the ICC can figure out who to charge yellow dahlia Wednesday #12
Yes these are crimes. And need to be punished. Irish_Dem Wednesday #35
Greta and other humanitarians are dangerous terrorists armed with food and medicine. Ping Tung Wednesday #14
Who is surprised by this despicable behavior? Seems totally on brand to me. littlemissmartypants Wednesday #16
I'm having flashbacks to Abu Gareb in Iraq when the Americans tortured prisioners. OMGWTF Wednesday #17
Are any US outlets reporting this? Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #18
Not really angrychair Wednesday #19
There is no independent verification SCantiGOP Wednesday #49
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #50
The story is filled with her quotes and numerous publications around the globe Passages Wednesday #60
I just like to see a little corroboration in my news, that's all. Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #65
I understand. Passages Wednesday #72
Other flotilla folks saw it happen to her obamanut2012 Thursday #131
No he didnt. Eko Wednesday #61
Other women prisoners have similar stories womanofthehills Wednesday #86
So have young boys. iemanja Thursday #96
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #89
You're linking to a right-wing Russian state-sponsored propaganda twitter account in support of the claim. lapucelle Thursday #127
Israel is what you consider independent verification? iemanja Thursday #103
Just terrible swong19104 Wednesday #20
Bingo mjvpi Wednesday #78
DUPE bif Wednesday #21
Not a dupe, your link goes to a 10 day old article, this OP article is from today & is from the best Swedish major paper Celerity Wednesday #38
Is there any rule against posting an op SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #70
Only in LBN Polybius Wednesday #80
Once again, SO WHAT?? This forum is GD, not LBN. niyad Thursday #104
Each forum has "about forum" Click that and Emile Thursday #111
We are supporting the BidenRocks Wednesday #23
The other side is Hamas Polybius Wednesday #82
I was thinking of non-affiliated Palestinians. BidenRocks Wednesday #84
The other side is the people of Palestine iemanja Thursday #97
This message was self-deleted by its author red dog 1 Wednesday #26
Imagine Traildogbob Wednesday #27
Yes I thought the same thing. Ice capture could have been enen worse. Irish_Dem Wednesday #36
Being hung by hooks & beaten is pretty bad - Israel is evil womanofthehills Wednesday #88
Wow! Traildogbob Thursday #112
Any one good or decent will be destroyed. Irish_Dem Thursday #113
This is hyperbole, right? whathehell Thursday #108
Gives us a minute Traildogbob Thursday #115
She is as super hero as they get DoBW Wednesday #28
Fuck those bastards. GreenWave Wednesday #29
Is Israel ever going to have a "Are We The Baddies?" moment? Grokenstein Wednesday #30
Setting murder traps, using food to lure starving children, is unthinkable. Irish_Dem Wednesday #31
Just as one would trap a starving animal,sadly. BattleRow Wednesday #39
Yes exactly the same as setting traps for starving animals. Irish_Dem Wednesday #41
Thank you for the info. BattleRow Wednesday #48
No one wants to bring it up. Irish_Dem Wednesday #73
Not only MAGAs ,imho. BattleRow Wednesday #74
Does beating up and sexually harassing an autistic girl come before or after that one? meadowlander Wednesday #69
According to activist Sara Wilkerson womanofthehills Wednesday #91
Rape is a Putin war strategy too. Irish_Dem Thursday #114
Not to diminish it, but US prisoners and ICE detainees are also subjected to invasive body searches lostnfound Thursday #129
This. Dark n Stormy Knight Friday #137
They probably should have hit that point when they helped South Africa develop nuclear weapons. name not needed Thursday #132
Aftonbladet is the best major national newspaper here in Sweden Celerity Wednesday #33
"I want to hear it from her first" now it will be Klarkashton Wednesday #37
As if a genocide isn't proof enough for some peeps. miyazaki Wednesday #63
A pariah state gone further in decay. Passages Wednesday #44
No words malaise Wednesday #45
Awful. QueerDuck Wednesday #46
Aftonbladet (Swedish: [ˈftɔnˌblɑːdɛt], lit. "The evening paper") is a Swedish daily tabloid newspaper lostincalifornia Wednesday #47
The minister of internal security angrychair Wednesday #57
Quick, look over there iemanja Thursday #99
I give this 2 days before CNN and MSNBC report this Oppaloopa Wednesday #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Thursday #133
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #52
"Actual Jew" here Mossfern Wednesday #53
With the Third Rail activated, BidenRocks Wednesday #54
I apologize Mossfern Wednesday #55
General Discussion Rules BidenRocks Wednesday #64
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #62
My sincere thank you...... Butterflylady Wednesday #75
It is offensive, but not surprising. There are plenty of American Jews who were against how this war lostincalifornia Wednesday #83
Israel has renewed its bombings and starvation iemanja Thursday #98
... and Hamas Mossfern Thursday #117
I didn't make that comment iemanja Thursday #128
Actual Jews? Is there another kind of Jew? sarisataka Wednesday #56
My post attempted to convey the fact that this a self-perpetuating Horror show. BurnDoubt Wednesday #66
Where are the Christians and Muslims ? JI7 Thursday #95
You are right. They have had a target on their backs for most of recorded history. BurnDoubt Thursday #105
It's mainly Christians and Muslims that violently impose their religion on others JI7 Thursday #107
I put this on that fat f*cking felon. Buddyzbuddy Wednesday #58
"That's how it works?" mountain grammy Wednesday #59
everyone is going to feel pretty dumb when this jg10003 Wednesday #67
If that is the case, I predict crickets MichMan Wednesday #68
Not just one source for this. meadowlander Wednesday #71
Oops. Kingofalldems Wednesday #79
+1 red dog 1 Wednesday #81
Thank you. It is a shame. David__77 Thursday #122
Why would we expect More? Netanyahu is wanted by the ICC as a war criminal Bread and Circuses Wednesday #76
I remember telling... Ollie Garkie Wednesday #85
I was just thinking... AloeVera Wednesday #90
Well said-nt Ollie Garkie Wednesday #92
Exactly Goddessartist Thursday #116
I won't link to it, but just days ago someone called her a piece of shit Orrex Thursday #94
Deplorable. iemanja Thursday #100
Peter Thiel thinks Greta Thunberg could be the Antichrist Brenda Thursday #130
Eventually Israel is going to wind up like South Vietnam soon. Crowman2009 Thursday #101
They really are terrified of her, I wonder why? Dave Bowman Thursday #102
Competing narratives here fujiyamasan Thursday #106
What... druidity33 Thursday #110
Greta said Ben--Gvir was in same room with her womanofthehills Thursday #124
I wanted to hear what she had to say and I was hoping the reports were wrong. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #118
According to AI - Ben Givr visited the prison when flotilla people first arrived womanofthehills Thursday #125
;-{( Goonch Thursday #126
Gerta? sarisataka Thursday #135
I've looked at my OP angrychair Friday #136

yaesu

(8,662 posts)
5. It was almost too much when we still had a democracy, now it will never be too much. nt
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:14 PM
Wednesday

womanofthehills

(10,509 posts)
119. It's also too much when your gov doesn't have your back
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:09 AM
Thursday

Sweden let Greta down. Why are countries so afraid of Israel??


“Thunberg says the Swedish government greatly downplayed the abuse she and her fellow Sumud Flotilla activists suffered, and wouldn't even bring them water.”

Some excerpts from her interview with the Swedish paper Aftonblatet:

Israel tortured and sexually humiliated Greta Thunberg.

Note - (UK activist Sara Wilkerson said they stripped the women and very painfully conducted an inner body probe )



"They grab me, pull me to the ground, and throw an Israeli flag over me."

"They dragged me to the opposite side from where the others were sitting, and I had the flag around me the whole time. They hit and kicked me."

"They moved me very brutally to a corner that I was turned towards. ‘A special place for a special lady’, they said. And then they had learned ‘Lilla hora’ (Little whore) and ‘Hora Greta’ (Whore Greta) in Swedish, which they repeated all the time."

In the corner where Greta was sitting, the police placed a flag.
"The flag was placed so that it would touch me. When it fluttered and touched me, they shouted ‘Don’t touch the flag’ and kicked me in the side. After a while, my hands were tied with cable ties, very tightly. A bunch of guards lined up to take selfies with me while I was sitting like that."

"They were thrown to the ground and beaten. But I could only see it out of the corner of my eye, because every time I lifted my head from the ground, I was kicked by the guard standing next to me."

Greta was then taken into a building to be searched and undressed. "The guards have no empathy or humanity, and they keep taking selfies with me. There’s a lot I don’t remember. So much is happening at once. You’re in shock. You’re in pain, but you go into a state of trying to stay calm."

Outside, she was forced to take off her clothes again, she says. "It was mockery, rough handling, and everything was filmed. Everything they do is extremely violent."

"It was so hot, like 40 degrees. We begged the whole time: Can we have water? Can we have water? In the end, we screamed. The guards walked in front of the bars the whole time, laughing and holding up their water bottles. They threw the bottles with water in them into the trash cans in front of us."

"When people fainted, we banged on the cages and asked for a doctor. Then the guards came and said, ‘We’re going to gas you.’ It was standard for them to say that."

"This shows that if Israel, with the whole world watching, can treat a well-known, white person with a Swedish passport this way, just imagine what they do to Palestinians behind closed doors."

Thunberg says the Swedish government greatly downplayed the abuse she and her fellow Sumud Flotilla activists suffered, and wouldn't even bring them water.

"We were together and told them about the treatment we received. About the lack of food, water, about the abuse. The torture. We showed them the physical injuries we had – bruises and scratches. We gave them all our contact details – I gave them my father's number and the number of our contact in the organization. We were clear: everything we say now must be released to the media."

"They didn’t do anything, they just said: ’Our job is to listen to you. We are here and you are entitled to consular support.’"

"We said over and over again: we need water. And they saw that the guards had water bottles. The embassy staff said: ’We’ll make a note of that.’ One of us, Vincent, said: ’Next time we meet you, you must bring water.’

Then it took two days before the embassy staff showed up again.

"They didn't bring any water, except for a small bottle of their own that was half empty. Vincent, who was in the worst shape, got to drink it. We kept asking the guards, 'Can we have some water?' but they just walked around with their water bottles and didn't answer."

"I said, 'Are you going to leave us like this? If you leave now, they will beat us up.' But they just kept walking."

When Aftonbladet compares emails sent by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to relatives, with what the captives describe telling embassy staff, it becomes clear that the seriousness of the situation has been downplayed.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs describes the scene at the port, where Greta Thunberg was beaten for hours, as follows: “She told us about harsh treatment and that she had been sitting on a hard surface for a long time.”

On Saturday, several media outlets published testimonies that Greta had been subjected to torture.

Aftonbladet has spoken to three other members of the flotilla who largely confirm what Greta Thunberg says and who have all experienced various types of abuse and humiliation. We have also spoken to relatives. Everyone is highly critical of how the Swedish embassy staff acted. - C Johnstone



LymphocyteLover

(8,923 posts)
15. for Republiscum? Never. For decent people like us. It's always too much.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:50 PM
Wednesday

the real key to our future is the mushy low info people in the middle....

SWBTATTReg

(25,800 posts)
43. So true, as we are seeing in real time, tRUMP, and his pathologically messed up idiots compete w/ each other on
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:36 PM
Wednesday

being the stupidest or dumbest one of them all. Of course they're careful not to shine the 'boss'...

Response to Javaman (Reply #22)

slightlv

(6,853 posts)
77. In any war, police action, or authoritarian state
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:29 PM
Wednesday

if you're female, you're fair game. Spoils of war. It's been that way since time immemorial, I swear. Greta's not even 18 yet, is she? So every single damned one of them would have been a pedophile on top of being just sadistic in their cruelty. One could hope the same would be done to them someday.

Jack Valentino

(3,692 posts)
87. and of all the people of the world, I would have expected the Israelis to have avoided this kind of behavior----
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:36 PM
Wednesday

Perhaps the Holocaust was too long ago, since the younger people committing the atrocities
have no direct memory of it...

womanofthehills

(10,509 posts)
120. Ben-Gvir torture warning
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:24 AM
Thursday

As news comes out about the IDF torturing and abusing Greta Thunberg it's worth recalling that Israel's national security minister pretty much explicitly said last month that they were going to do this in order to "create a clear deterrent" against future flotilla activism. “


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Blue Owl

(57,672 posts)
6. I bet Dump is salivating at the chance to sic his ICE goons on her
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:15 PM
Wednesday

Stay safe Greta and stay out of the USA….

3Hotdogs

(14,722 posts)
25. Reuchscomamdsnt Miller has been walking around all day with
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:45 PM
Wednesday

a partial stiffie. His blue pill prescription ran out so’s he can’t experience the full Joys of Torture.

RVN VET71

(3,080 posts)
24. Sage advice, not just for Greta
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:31 PM
Wednesday

For anyone, including American citizens, who doesn't sympathize with fascism and jackbooted, truncheon wielding sons of the Gestapo.

Wish I had the option of leaving and staying away permanently. After a life of 80 years in America, I'd leave in a second if I had someplace to go and the gelt to support myself and my wife.

After 2 years in the Army (one in Vietnam) and 32 years serving the public as a Federal employee, I find I have a very uncertain financial future -- my Federal annuity is not as safe as it seemed when there were true anti-fascist Americans running things. And,, hell, my Social Security is going to fade away like yesterday's sunshine once the fascists install themselves permanently in power. (Not just my Social Security. Everybody's.)

Lonestarblue

(13,006 posts)
8. Beaten and tortured simply for wanting to feed starving people whom Israel wants to kill.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:22 PM
Wednesday

The true terrorists are Israelis.

walkingman

(9,991 posts)
9. Cruelty is used to dominate, manipulate, or intimidate others.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:26 PM
Wednesday

I think that is what we are seeing in Gaza. It seems to create an artificial feeling of strength. In the case of Thunberg, some people derive pleasure or gratification from inflicting humiliation on her. The message being....don't you dare question us "overlords". If there is a HELL, there will be a place reserved for these assholes.

Irish_Dem

(76,523 posts)
34. yes it is used to control, intimidate, punish.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:15 PM
Wednesday

And many of these sick bastards get off on the cruelty.

Botany

(75,625 posts)
10. Greta is like Jane Goodall in that her strength comes from within and in doing the right thing.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:26 PM
Wednesday

She is a very brave person and attacks on her by the American right are as shameful as the attacks
on MLK by Americans calling him a communist. The World is a better place because she is in it.



Irish_Dem

(76,523 posts)
11. Evil has taken over the world. And the US is part of the evil.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:27 PM
Wednesday

The US supports Israel doing this.

This is the kind of thing ICE is no doubt doing in US secret torture camps.

angrychair

(11,311 posts)
13. They are indeed
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:31 PM
Wednesday

Look up ICE with the term "the burrito" it's incredibly unsettling form of torture.

Shoeless Louis

(90 posts)
93. In the majority of the cases, the U.S. is directing and financing the evil.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 10:31 PM
Wednesday

Today’s U.S. is the 1% and the corporate oligarchs.

yellow dahlia

(3,627 posts)
12. I hope the ICC can figure out who to charge
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:28 PM
Wednesday

for these crimes against the flotilla activists.

More from an Israeli govt, that can't be trusted.

The hoopla this week is a shell game.

Netanyahu has no intention of peace. He is out for annihilation and genocide. The tenuousness of the current "plan" will give him an excuse to continue the attack on Gaza.

Ping Tung

(3,916 posts)
14. Greta and other humanitarians are dangerous terrorists armed with food and medicine.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:46 PM
Wednesday

They give aid and comfort to starving and sick people who won't accept being tortured and starved.

According to those in charge of war crimes.

There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.
Howard Zinn

OMGWTF

(4,937 posts)
17. I'm having flashbacks to Abu Gareb in Iraq when the Americans tortured prisioners.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:06 PM
Wednesday

Recall that GeeDumbya and Cheney The Dick's lawyer, John Yoo said that the laws against torture were "quaint." JFC! Rethuglicans are evil motherfkers!

SCantiGOP

(14,615 posts)
49. There is no independent verification
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:58 PM
Wednesday

The Israeli official merely said that prisoners in general were treated “harshly.”

Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #49)

Passages

(3,779 posts)
60. The story is filled with her quotes and numerous publications around the globe
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:49 PM
Wednesday

including Israel, are publishing it...the IDF is going to confirm the validity of her claims?

Haaretz, Ynet, Times of Israel etc.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1yburtpxl

Fiendish Thingy

(21,076 posts)
65. I just like to see a little corroboration in my news, that's all.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:12 PM
Wednesday

If the quotes are sourced from a press conference or interview, great, but that wasn’t clear.

Passages

(3,779 posts)
72. I understand.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:07 PM
Wednesday

This story is far from over. I imagine we will be seeing extensive interviews with her and others.

Eko

(9,724 posts)
61. No he didnt.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:57 PM
Wednesday
I “was proud that we treat flotilla activists as terror supporters,” he said in comments carried by the daily Yedioth Ahronoth.

“They should feel what the conditions in Ketziot Prison are like, and think twice before approaching Israel again. That’s how it works.”
He said they were treated as terror supporters.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/far-right-minister-proud-of-mistreating-gaza-flotilla-activists-in-israeli-prison/3708363#
They weren't carrying guns or anything like that, just food and medical supplies. Do you think people carrying food and medical supplies are terror supporters?

womanofthehills

(10,509 posts)
86. Other women prisoners have similar stories
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:26 PM
Wednesday

A few reported that 57 Flotilla women were in an outdoor cage less than 12’ x 12’ in the sun for hours. When they called a guard because one was very sick - they were told if they called again they would be gassed.

Here is a Jewish woman who was treated very badly too. This woman was hung up by hooks & beaten.

“ Noa Avishag Schnall, a Jewish photojournalist of Yemeni origins who was aboard the Conscience ship of the Freedom Flotilla, recounts what the Israelis did to her:“I was hung from metal chains at my wrists and ankles and beaten with blows to the stomach, back, face, and ears.”


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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #49)

lapucelle

(20,761 posts)
127. You're linking to a right-wing Russian state-sponsored propaganda twitter account in support of the claim.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:20 PM
Thursday

Celerity

(52,654 posts)
38. Not a dupe, your link goes to a 10 day old article, this OP article is from today & is from the best Swedish major paper
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:23 PM
Wednesday

SocialDemocrat61

(6,036 posts)
70. Is there any rule against posting an op
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:53 PM
Wednesday

with about the same issue as another thread. If not we don’t need the “dupe police”.

Emile

(38,449 posts)
111. Each forum has "about forum" Click that and
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:40 AM
Thursday

read the Statement of Purpose rules for that forum.

BidenRocks

(2,411 posts)
84. I was thinking of non-affiliated Palestinians.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:23 PM
Wednesday

They need help getting rid of the cancer living among them.

Kinda like magats among us.

iemanja

(56,977 posts)
97. The other side is the people of Palestine
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:14 AM
Thursday

And those who have the nerve to try to feed them.

Response to angrychair (Original post)

Traildogbob

(12,062 posts)
27. Imagine
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:53 PM
Wednesday

If ICE had captured her. She would be disappeared AND tortured, fully supported by Fossil Fuel CEO donors to Trump’s regime.
The young Republican KKKlan would have burned her, after raped her, and then chanted God is Great.
Then the GQP and Media would anoint them With a Chuckie Kirk style celebration

Irish_Dem

(76,523 posts)
36. Yes I thought the same thing. Ice capture could have been enen worse.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:17 PM
Wednesday

She would never be seen or heard from again.

womanofthehills

(10,509 posts)
88. Being hung by hooks & beaten is pretty bad - Israel is evil
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:38 PM
Wednesday

Noa Avishag Schnall, a Jewish photojournalist of Yemeni origins who was aboard the Conscience ship of the Freedom Flotilla, recounts what the Israelis did to her:“I was hung from metal chains at my wrists and ankles and beaten with blows to the stomach, back, face, and ears.”

Here she is with a black eye


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🇵🇸”Flotilla activist: "They locked us in animal cages ..walls had writings in blood in Arabic 'drink from the toilet,' they said. We were starved for 40 hrs.
They tied an israel flag to [Greta's] back"She also says they made them take off their headscarves”


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"They blindfolded us, and put us in a van with barely any clothes and with very very low temperatures


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Israeli army released this woman today. She doesn’t know her name and can’t remember anything.. she’s currently in Al Aqsa Hospital- Deir Al Balah.



U can tell from the visible cuts and bruises that she underwent server torture.


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Traildogbob

(12,062 posts)
112. Wow!
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:51 AM
Thursday

Natty Yahoo is not alone in his evil and hate.
Neither is Trump.
Thanks for the details. Sickening for a peaceful protester. I have a sick feeling what Miller has planned for our Antifa, Hamas and Hate America weekend.
Looks like the sickest of the sickest have taken over the whole (God damned (literally) world. All in God’s name.
Your reply is a disgusting eye opener. She is a peaceful warrior for good., yet GQP are in a world wide effort with Moses Mike to hand over a Nobel for Trump.

whathehell

(30,293 posts)
108. This is hyperbole, right?
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:52 AM
Thursday

I hope so, because otherwise, I'd have to view this comparison of ICE to the Israeli Flotilla Torturers as an unconvincing, almost desperate attempt at "bothsiderism"

Traildogbob

(12,062 posts)
115. Gives us a minute
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 08:06 AM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:06 AM - Edit history (1)

You are right in that I had no idea just HOW evil these Natty Thugs are until I read womanofthehills post. But do not think those young (and not so young) republicans along with Miller, Noem, Kegsbreath, and Mumbles the Czar are not cheering these images and drooling at what they can achieve.
Watch this weekend and see another step in that direction. I have concerns with Moses et al calling us terrorist, and this regimes new rules to go after what they deem domestic terrorist. Watch this space as Racheal says.

Grokenstein

(6,181 posts)
30. Is Israel ever going to have a "Are We The Baddies?" moment?
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:03 PM
Wednesday

How about all the apologists? Probably not; they're already past the "luring innocent helpless people into the open with the promise of food and water and then mowing them down" stage.

Irish_Dem

(76,523 posts)
31. Setting murder traps, using food to lure starving children, is unthinkable.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:10 PM
Wednesday

But we watched it happen.

BattleRow

(1,950 posts)
39. Just as one would trap a starving animal,sadly.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:24 PM
Wednesday

Evidently,these people are considered subhuman by their inhumane oppressors.

Was Jesus Christ a Palestinian,btw?

Irish_Dem

(76,523 posts)
41. Yes exactly the same as setting traps for starving animals.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:29 PM
Wednesday

Israel considers them subhuman.

Yes google says Jesus was a Palestinian.

BattleRow

(1,950 posts)
48. Thank you for the info.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:57 PM
Wednesday

I wasn't sure because regions have changed names in 200O years.
And I can't ever recall this being mentioned in any discussions by either the Pope,the pulpits OR the cafeteria Christians
Maybe my hearing isnt so good??

Irish_Dem

(76,523 posts)
73. No one wants to bring it up.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:11 PM
Wednesday

How can Palestinians be worse than animals.
And yet Jesus was a Palestinian?

MAGAs cannot handle cognitive dissonance.

meadowlander

(5,011 posts)
69. Does beating up and sexually harassing an autistic girl come before or after that one?
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:46 PM
Wednesday

It's all pretty

womanofthehills

(10,509 posts)
91. According to activist Sara Wilkerson
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 10:11 PM
Wednesday

Sara was give.TWO painful internal body searches - probably all were sexually assaulted.

I posed her YouTube video talking about this on this thread.

lostnfound

(17,250 posts)
129. Not to diminish it, but US prisoners and ICE detainees are also subjected to invasive body searches
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:31 PM
Thursday

Tragic that the US had its time as an empire and could have prioritized global human dignity and decency. In the end, money was more important.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,472 posts)
137. This.
Fri Oct 17, 2025, 08:00 PM
Friday

And I was foolish enough to believe we were on the path to equal justice, clean energy as the norm, etc.

name not needed

(11,665 posts)
132. They probably should have hit that point when they helped South Africa develop nuclear weapons.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 04:17 PM
Thursday

Passages

(3,779 posts)
44. A pariah state gone further in decay.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:39 PM
Wednesday

A deeply dysfunctional foreign policy took hold some time ago, and I have heard no one in leadership cry shame and how we must change policy.

International laws are for other people, not for us or our allies....just like under Bush with proven sanctioned torture memos.

No one at the top pays, ever.



lostincalifornia

(4,750 posts)
47. Aftonbladet (Swedish: [ˈftɔnˌblɑːdɛt], lit. "The evening paper") is a Swedish daily tabloid newspaper
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 04:53 PM
Wednesday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftonbladet#:~:text=Aftonbladet%20(Swedish:%20%5B%CB%88%C3%A2ft%C9%94n%CB%8Cbl%C9%91%CB%90d%C9%9Bt%5D,newspapers%20in%20the%20Nordic%20countries.

Here are some of the controversies from this paper:

2009 Israeli Organ Harvesting Allegations:

The paper published an unverified article claiming that Israeli soldiers were harvesting Palestinian organs, which caused a diplomatic rift between Sweden and Israel.
The Israeli government condemned the article as an anti-Semitic "blood libel".
The paper's editor admitted there was no evidence for the claims, and a rival Swedish paper sharply criticized it for publishing a "conspiracy theory

Cultural Section Bias:

The cultural section has been accused of a strident left-wing bias.
Former cultural editor Åsa Linderborg resigned in 2019 after the section was accused of spreading pro-Moscow narratives and was criticized for its anti-Israel stance. .

Credibility and journalistic practices

Sensationalism: Aftonbladet is a tabloid that often focuses on scandals and uses sensationalist headlines to drive readership, which has led to questions about its journalistic quality.
Criticism from insiders: In 2006, one of its own journalists criticized the paper for prioritizing celebrity news over serious issues like the war in Iraq.
Dependence on external sources: Some critics allege that the paper is poor at fact-checking and relies on other news agencies for its reports.


https://www.adl.org/resources/article/unfounded-claims-organ-harvesting-reignite-embers-decades-old-hospital-scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85sa_Linderborg

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/aftonbladet/







angrychair

(11,311 posts)
57. The minister of internal security
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:40 PM
Wednesday

Himself told the news media he personally ordered the treatment them as terrorists. In my source material story there are other links.

I have no doubt lots of newspapers and magazines hype stuff and play loose with facts. I mean it happens every single day, all day, on every TV news station in the world.

Response to Oppaloopa (Reply #51)

Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mossfern

(4,467 posts)
53. "Actual Jew" here
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:14 PM
Wednesday

Who does not support such behavior as described in the article.
There will be no retribution by Hamas and its supporters because she isn't one of them even though she dons a keffyieh.
There will be attacks on Israel no matter what, but they won't be because of the treatment of a European.

Israel's enemies will attack merely because Israel exists.

Honestly, I take offense at your post.
Can you please define what an 'actual Jew' is.

BidenRocks

(2,411 posts)
54. With the Third Rail activated,
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:29 PM
Wednesday

this discussion is over under penalty of alerts.

Just like Chump is doing with all the lawsuits.

I don't like what you are saying so you are bad and must stop!

That will not last in the face of the one sided over-kill!

All are equal, like it or not!

BidenRocks

(2,411 posts)
64. General Discussion Rules
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:11 PM
Wednesday

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. For more information.

Response to Mossfern (Reply #53)

lostincalifornia

(4,750 posts)
83. It is offensive, but not surprising. There are plenty of American Jews who were against how this war
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:05 PM
Wednesday

was waged. On the other hand, immediately after October 7, I recall a good number of protesters trying to justify what hamas did as "understandable".

I remember the slurs of "I got jewed, christ killer, Jews are cheap, and being told by a baby sitter that because I was Jewish I would burn hell".

It is ironic that the slur "Jews are cheap", runs counter to reality, especially when compared to other groups on a per capita basis.

It has been going on for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Love_Dead_Jews









iemanja

(56,977 posts)
98. Israel has renewed its bombings and starvation
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:16 AM
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campaign against Gaza, despite having agreed to a peace agreement. That is the threat to human life.

Mossfern

(4,467 posts)
117. ... and Hamas
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:11 AM
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is murdering Palestinians who they consider "collaborators." More Palestinians dead.

I am not excusing Israel's actions, but then again..........am I an "actual" Jew?

sarisataka

(22,067 posts)
56. Actual Jews? Is there another kind of Jew?
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:36 PM
Wednesday

And how do you know these "actual jews" support such behavior?

Your post seems to indicate Jews should be/will be punished for the actions of Israel? Isn't that collective punishment, something people have been against?

BurnDoubt

(1,149 posts)
66. My post attempted to convey the fact that this a self-perpetuating Horror show.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:29 PM
Wednesday

Trump isn't a Jew, yet he's right there grifting off this abomination, (and secretly hopes it will enlarge his fortune).
And, right now that "collective punishment" is being visited upon a generation of babies who will live with the Hate they are being taught every minute of their lives. I suppose you don't think their dreams will be filled with the sights they have to bear for the rest of their lives. How will they EVER forget? If and when they grow to adulthood, what will be their attitude learned at such a cost? At this rate, this will continue on until the Sun eats the Earth.
My reference to "actual Jews" is to remind you that this isn't their first brush with hatred. My hope would be that some compassion for the passive victims of this shit-show would evince itself, on BOTH sides. And a time of Healing can be declared and adhered to.

JI7

(92,823 posts)
95. Where are the Christians and Muslims ?
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:03 AM
Thursday

They are causing far worse problems around the world and have committed actual genocide.

I know they like to blame these things they do on Jews and how Jewish conspiracies are a huge part of their religions.

BurnDoubt

(1,149 posts)
105. You are right. They have had a target on their backs for most of recorded history.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:03 AM
Thursday

My comments were focused on them because they are directly involved with several religions and sects in this instance, and being the people with literal skin in the game. THEY are the ones trapped in this endless litany of abominations. Sooner than later I hope they can bury the past and make a Future they can all share. It's a Forlorn Hope, I know, but who can live like this, generation after generation?
I make no excuses for Christians, Muslims, Hindus, or really any religion so convinced of their Domination that they confer on themselves the right to impose their Faith on ANYBODY. And at the tip of a sword. Absolutely unacceptable in every way. Our entire history is of Religion managing, subjugating, deceiving and abusing people, really, since the day after Fire.
My earliest awareness of the Horror of War came at around age five, seeing a copy of a WWII pictorial volume lying open on the floor and a still shot, in black-and-white showing a little girl crying at the sight of her slain parents in the gutter. It's hard for a child's mind to comprehend the Evil that gives reality to a nightmare. Over the years, the continual grinding goes on, and on, and on..................
Poo Tee Weet.

JI7

(92,823 posts)
107. It's mainly Christians and Muslims that violently impose their religion on others
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:40 AM
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The others have extremists but they are mostly territorial and in places where their religion originates.




jg10003

(1,055 posts)
67. everyone is going to feel pretty dumb when this
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:34 PM
Wednesday

Is shown to be totally untrue garbage printed a yellow journalism rag. This is just another version of the blood libel that has always been used against the Jews.

MichMan

(16,121 posts)
68. If that is the case, I predict crickets
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:40 PM
Wednesday

Yet it will be repeated ad nauseum regardless.

red dog 1

(32,006 posts)
81. +1
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:57 PM
Wednesday

Greta is a credible witness.

Netanyahu is a war criminal who allowed the torture of these non-violent flotilla activists.

Ollie Garkie

(316 posts)
85. I remember telling...
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:24 PM
Wednesday

Dick and Dubya bootlickers back in the day that even lily white non terrorist people would eventually be tortured by the powers that be, they shrugged or laughed and here we are.

AloeVera

(3,886 posts)
90. I was just thinking...
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 10:11 PM
Wednesday

We didn't stand up for Palestinians, who endure orders of magnitude worse, so this shocks us now because we didn't pay attention. It shocks also because she's "one of us". But the safe divide between us and "them" is not as wide as we think. As long as we allow this to be done to others while closing our eyes, it will come for us too one day.

Goddessartist

(2,175 posts)
116. Exactly
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:06 AM
Thursday

Boomerang effect.

I've been paying attention since about 1985 or so. The hatred towards the Palestinians, who took in the Jewish refugees, then had their homes stolen by some of them, has been manufactured by Israel.

Orrex

(66,252 posts)
94. I won't link to it, but just days ago someone called her a piece of shit
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:49 AM
Thursday

And another called her pro-Hamas.

All because she doesn't support Netanyahu's years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder.

Brenda

(1,853 posts)
130. Peter Thiel thinks Greta Thunberg could be the Antichrist
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:54 PM
Thursday
https://au.news.yahoo.com/peter-thiel-thinks-greta-thunberg-013803028.html

In a series of four lectures, Silicon Valley tech billionaire Peter Thiel has been opining on the Antichrist.

Thiel’s amateur riffing identifies the Antichrist with anyone or any institution that he dislikes – from environmental activist Greta Thunberg to governmental attempts to regulate artificial intelligence.


I hate that fucker more each day and I love Greta more each day.

What a sick, perverted and terrifying world we live in.


Dave Bowman

(6,073 posts)
102. They really are terrified of her, I wonder why?
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:26 AM
Thursday

Something is certain, Israel keeps demonstrating how cowardly they are.

fujiyamasan

(788 posts)
106. Competing narratives here
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:11 AM
Thursday

Ben-Gvir is an extremist, so I’m sure he’d approve of harshest conditions imaginable for those aboard the flotilla. And there is more than enough evidence that the Israeli state uses torture, and obviously extrajudicial killings as they want. They also are commitngethnic cleansing in Gaza. There’s no news there.

But I’d like to wait for additional corroboration. I’m still skeptical of some of the activist claims about what happened to Greta, since they of course have an agenda too. And she has in several cases, been prone to exaggerated claims.

womanofthehills

(10,509 posts)
124. Greta said Ben--Gvir was in same room with her
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 11:01 AM
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And every time she looked at him- she would be kicked. I wonder if he was in the room while they were filming Greta naked?

Notice - American journalist on flotilla , Noa Avishag Schnall comes out of Israeli prison with a black eye obviously injured and NYT’s doesn’t cover it. She was even hung by her hands & feet and beaten. - no coverage!!!

“ Palestinians are emerging from Israel's torture dungeons with missing limbs, one blinded, and some with harrowing testimonies of rape at the hands of Israeli torturers

Greta Thunberg has detailed sexual humiliation and beatings she suffered after being kidnapped in international waters

A US journalist also kidnapped from the flotilla, Noa Avishag Schnall, emerged from an Israeli jail with bruises on her face, telling of how she was hung from the ceiling by metal shackles

Yet these accounts will not be featured on the front page of The NY Times as the comprehensively debunked, still un-retracted Oct 7 sexual abuse hoax article, "Screams Without Words" was, and everyone knows why”. M Blumenthal


BlueTsunami2018

(4,696 posts)
118. I wanted to hear what she had to say and I was hoping the reports were wrong.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:17 AM
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Because it makes no sense to me to torture a high profile person such as she but there it is. She said it and I believe her.

What a disgusting way to treat people merely trying to bring aid to the suffering people of Gaza. Israel no longer gets the benefit of the doubt from me on anything.

The whole world is led by demons.

womanofthehills

(10,509 posts)
125. According to AI - Ben Givr visited the prison when flotilla people first arrived
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 11:38 AM
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He called them “terrorists “ and told them he was punishing them like terrorists. Greta said everytime she looked at him she was kicked.

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