This peace deal will not last

[indusurb]

People are celebrating the Israeli-Palestinian peace deal today. Hostages returned, prisoners released, a ceasefire in place, humanitarian aid starting to come in. But the fact is, this peace deal will not last, I give it two years at best, but probably one year or less. Here's why.

First, this peace deal has holes big enough to drive the IDF through. Every step is predicated upon Israeli approval of what is going on. If they don't like what is happening with the disarmament process, the deal is done. Can't find all the bodies of buried hostages amid the bombed over rubble, the deal is done. Don't like the actions of the apolitical Palestinian committee set up to run day to day operations in Gaza, the deal is off. Everything is run through an Israeli vetting process, and if Bibi doesn't like it, everything can be blown up.

Second, and perhaps the biggest threat, is Netanyahu and his merry band of hard liners. Bibi is still facing a criminal trial. His hard line allies still want to fulfill their oft stated goal of completely getting rid of Palestinians by any possible means. This is a marriage made in hell, with Bibi at some point needing a political distraction and the hard liners more than willing to back him. What could go wrong.

Third, this agreement is being set up as a real estate developers wet dream.
"A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energize Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza."

Do you honestly think that the Palestinians will put up with their homes and country being given to the highest bidder to create a Palestinian version of Dubai, complete with a Trump resort? There will be little to no rebuilding of infrastructure that will be geared towards reestablishing the Palestinian community, but rather money and effort will be directed towards making another resort area for the rich. The Palestinians will only be allowed to live there as menial laborers.

Speaking of which, a provision states the Palestinians will be freely allowed to leave, or return to the Gaza Strip. My guess is that there's going to be a heavy emphasis on the leave part, not so much on the return. Trump and Bibi have floated multiple plans for ridding Gaza of Palestinians, from genocide to ethnic cleansing. I suspect this provision is more of the same, just in kinder, gentler terms.

Fourth, there is going to be little actual input from the Palestinian people. There is that apolitical(read favorable towards Israel) Palestinian committee that will oversee day to day operations, but even that is going to be overseen by a Board of Peace, headed by Trump and Tony Blair. The restablishment of a Palestinian government, run by a reconstituted(and Israeli approved) Palestinian Authority is set for some indeterminate future date. Until then, everything is going to be run through others, mainly US and Israeli hands.

This seems more like a pause in the horror, not an end to it. Yes hostages are being released, yes aid is (hopefully) entering Gaza. But as a long term solution, for long term peace, this falls far short of the mark. The only real solution is a two state solution, with a country for the Palestinian people, run by the Palestinian people. Until that happens the Palestinian people will continue to be the victims of Israeli hostility and now, apparently, foreign greed.

I've linked to the agreement, so you can see for yourself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-cease-fire-plan-text.html

[OLDMDDEM]

1. Bombing will start up again soon.

[popsdenver]

33. Of course it will

This whole ploy by Netanyahu is to set up a situation to help Trump bolster his accomplishments for the Nobel Peace Award........
His meeting will give FOX news a lot of photo ops to show the fallacy that Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Award, because "he is the most Peaceful President in all of U.S. History."............Of course, Trump will continue to supply and re-supply Netanyahu will all the military weapons and arms he needs to continue the obliteration of the Gaza Strip..........

I was kidding someone yesterday......What does the entire world have to fear the most???? How about THREE extremely elderly, Psychopathic and Sadistic men.......Trump, Putin, and Netanyahu..........who have control of enough nuclear weapons to wipe out the entire world, a thousand times over........
The exact kind of individuals that if pushed into a corner, would be of the mindset: I'll Show ALL of You......If "I" Go, You All Go..............
All it would take is for any ONE of them to Launch ONE Missile and they ALL Launch......

[speak easy]

41. Bombing will start up again soon? I doubt it.

Trump announced the war is over, and repeated that ad nauseam at the Knesset .He is being lauded as a hero. He will not accept more bombing. Bibi knows better than to double cross him on what he regards as his greatest achievement.

[popsdenver]

43. I can't count the times in the last years

that we have said: They Won't Do That, or even worse: They Can't Do That.......I guess we will see Speak Easy....

[bluestarone]

79. Really?

I doubt very much everything you just said.

[speak easy]

97. Look it up.

[Jack Valentino]

85. And what will Trump do if Bibi starts bombing again? Bomb Israel?

I doubt it. TACO.

[speak easy]

98. Threats of Sanctions; Tariffs, ending financial and military support

which will bring down his government.

[mwb970]

96. This seems wildly unlikely to me.

[speak easy]

99. ...

30+ world leaders. If Bibi double crossed him, his anger would be off the scale.

[Ferrets are Cool]

101. LOL

[speak easy]

102. LOL

[maliaSmith]

117. Bibi

Bibi has never honored any treaty and neither has Hamas. I give it a week before bombing starts again. Who at DU supports Qatar having a base in the US? I wonder how the rednecks and militias feel about it, that live in Idaho?

[leftstreet]

2. Waterfront condos for the rich

Sad DURec

[niyad]

3. I don't give it two weeks.

[rampartd]

12. that is real world, and about 2 weeks too long

the biblical apocalyptic answer is actually 3 1/2 years, exactly the remainder of krasnov's term.

wait until the ibn saud see where the new temple is going up. they ain;t gonna like it.

[ananda]

21. I was going to say a month...

but two weeks might even be optimistic.

[J_William_Ryan]

4. It's not even a peace deal.

It’s a ceasefire shaky at best.

[niyad]

14. I was trying to explain that to someone yesterday.

[Hieronymus Phact]

30. Why is anyone using the word Peace to deacribe this?

It's not peace its just a pause until it resumes. Without a Binding Peace Agreement which Hamas will never agree to, nothing will change.

[Klarkashton]

32. Peace as in Nobel Peace Prize. That's why.

[Bettie]

5. Hostages are returned

now, Netanyahu can bomb everything that is left standing to rubble, kill every living thing left there, and then....well, he'll have to find another war to keep himself from prosecution.

[Lonestarblue]

22. He can always make up a reason to bomb Iran.

He’s been attacking Syria to destabilize the new government there. He’s shown that Qatar is not off limits.

Bibi does not want peace. He wants all Palestinians dead or forced into other countries so right-wing Israeli settlers can steal the rest of Palestinian lands.

[Bettie]

53. Exactly, his base of support is

the hard-right wing that wants their settlers to take over all of Gaza AND the West Bank, then chunks of other countries, to start.

[unblock]

6. It won't survive the return of hostages

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They won't be able to account for all the hostages, or some will turn up dead or have stories of torture or whatever, it will spark fresh outrage.

[popsdenver]

44. It is being reported

that they will soon relinquish all the "Not Alive" hostages...............Many more than the "Alive" hostages........

I guess we will just have to wait and see, just like everything else these days.......

[Diraven]

115. Some will inevitably be missing

Might be enough to scuttle entire deal.

[AloeVera]

56. Israel has known for a long time how many are dead. The families know.

I wonder how Israel knew that? Some but not all were killed on Oct 7th. Others are buried under rubble and unreachable and this is where I see the first pretext arising to restart the genocide.

Why are they buried under rubble?

All the ones Israel knew to be alive have now been returned. Dastardly Hamas actually kept their word.

Stories of torture? Perhaps. But they will be free to talk, encouraged even - unlike the close to 2,000 emaciated Palestinian hostages, er prisoners, many who bear scars and signs of recent beatings who cannot speak of their torture for fear of retaliation. Their families cannot even celebrate their release. It is forbidden by their master Israel.

And there are another 8,000 Palestinians in Israeli torture camps, er prisons, many there for years without charges or kidnapped from Gaza in the last two years.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134145225

[Bernardo de La Paz]

62. What does "sobeceoll" mean?

I tried searching and I tried imagining some typo. No luck.

[unblock]

64. I'm sure I misspelled "some will" but not like that. Autocorrect must be hallucinating.

[niyad]

66. as corrected. ."some will".

[maxsolomon]

7. I'm hoping it will.

The IDF has to be exhausted, and 2 million Gazans are on the verge of starvation.

The long-term solution is intractable.

[hueymahl]

37. Same. Hoping it lasts. Thankful there is an opportunity for peace.

Its almost like some on here are hoping it falls apart. As much as we all hate Trump, lets root for peace nonetheless, even if it means he gets the credit.

[niyad]

103. No, it is almost like some people are paying attention to reality, not hype.

[Walleye]

8. To Trump everything is a real estate transaction, that's just the way he looks at things. He can't understand humanity.

But he can kind of understand owning property. And he won’t be happy unless he screws somebody, a fair transaction is nothing for him. There were already loud protests in Israel as he gave his speech

[yaesu]

9. Nuttyahoo already said the war is not over. He will be back bombing in a week or so. nt

[gulliver]

10. Gaza desperately needs political reform

The peace plan gives them a chance to turn over a new leaf, and I hope they will take it. No more Hamas (or any form of radical Islamism whatsoever). The many Palestinians who I'm sure want to move forward and become part of the modern, secular-tolerant, socially just, and peaceful world, should not have their right to do that trampled on by backward, socially arch-conservative, violent numbskulls any longer.

Whoever governs Gaza has their job cut out for them, because the low-life are going to try to stay in charge. They'll try to do that through force, anti-Semitism, and, unfortunately, a fake and convenient Islamic fanaticism that seems to be the preferred disguise of, well, religio-psycho, moronic thugs.

[maxrandb]

71. Seriously????? AYFKM???

..."become part of the modern, secular-tolerant, socially just, and peaceful world, and not have their right to do that trampled on by backward, socially arch-conservative, violent numbskulls any longer....."

You mean like Los Angeles, Chicago, Portland, or any other blue area in America Donnie Dipshit wants to send masked, armed. unidentified goons to kidnap people off the street?

[Maru Kitteh]

89. Even Donnie's goons cannot make Portland equal Gaza, and neither can you.

Fuck Hamas. They are quite provably one of the worst things that’s happened to Palastinians since 1948.

[maxrandb]

120. It's not just Portland

I see an end game that looks remarkably similar to violent fascists seizing property and "clearing" out large swaths of American cities of "undesirables", so moneyed interest could turn them into "resorts".

And, at this point, Hamas has become Antifa. In other words, it's whatever the fuck Nutty-Yahoo and Donnie Dipshit say it is.

82 year old women? Hamas! Kill her!
2 month old baby? Hamas! Kill it!
Wedding Party? Hamas! Kill them!

63 year old women at a Taco Stand? Violent Criminal Antifa! Disappear her!
12 year old girl getting off a School Bus? Violent Criminal Immigrant! Disappear her!
Tenured Professor? ANTIFA! Disappear him!

2025 'MuriKKKa is in no position to lecture about "religious nutbags attacking people that just want to be free".

Maybe Donnie Dipshit and the Retrumplicans will find a home for some of the undesirable. Hell, even the Nazis let the Jews have "part of Warsaw".

[rampartd]

11. this entire gaza thing is the evangelicals' attempt

to shoehorn dear leader into their 'left behind" eschatology.

they want Krasnov to launch so that they can meet jesus.

[Bmoboy]

13. 25 years or more to clear the rubble

And where will the unexploded ordinance, body parts, and other toxic waste be sent?

[wiggs]

15. No mention, of course, that Biden facilitated release of more hostages and had a cease fire too. nt

[BigMin28]

16. With Tony Blair

being involved, and supposedly Jared will be helping out, this is a lose lose situation for the Palestinian people. It won't last.

[dalton99a]

18. +1

[leftstreet]

46. +1

[Exp]

17. This agreement is theft. It's far worse than living in apartheid that Palestinians had before. Pure evil through and

through.

A free Palestnie is the only long term answer.

[hueymahl]

38. How so?

It stops the killing and destruction. Even if temporary, how is that bad?

[Exp]

57. Seriously? Everything is already pretty much destroyed, perhaps you haven't noticed.

[hueymahl]

74. But you said the agreement is theft

Yes, everything got destroyed during the war. It is a massive tragedy. But how is the agreement theft? That is the part I did not undersand.

[Exp]

81. A horrible deal after land was already stolen. nt

[EdmondDantes_]

76. Because if this gives a period of time to rebuild, that's good

Is this likely to be the end of all violence in the region? No. Just like previous agreements weren't. But at least for today, aid can get in. That's good.

[struggle4progress]

19. Twenty-Point Gaza Peace Deal

Mariel Ferragamo
Last updated October 13, 2025 12:01 pm (EST

... More than twenty countries’ officials gathered in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, on Monday to discuss paving the way for peace in Gaza, though neither Israel nor Hamas had a representative at the table ...

... Of the 251 hostages taken by Hamas, 147 were released or exchanged in prior deals. Eight of those released were dead, and the bodies of 41 others were previously recovered by Israel.

As part of the exchange, Israel has begun the release of 250 Palestinian prisoners who are serving life sentences in Israel, as well as 1,700 detainees from Gaza. The first buses of Palestinian prisoners arrived in the West Bank and Gaza on Monday. Israel will also give back fifteen Palestinian bodies for the remains of each Israeli hostage it receives ...

... Gaza will transition to “temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee” which will operate under an international board headed by Trump ...

... All “military, terror, and offensive infrastructure” will be destroyed, a condition that Hamas has previously refused and is expected to resist ...

https://www.cfr.org/article/guide-trumps-twenty-point-gaza-peace-deal

[Silent Type]

20. Like all the others, but we have to keep trying.

[paleotn]

31. This isn't trying.

This isn't the Camp David Accords. It was never meant to be. This is a setup. A trap. The only good thing is it stops the aggression for a few short weeks to months. Then it's back to our regularly scheduled death and destruction.

[Iggo]

36. The Camp David Accords failed, too.

[Silent Type]

42. I darn sure hope our Democratic leaders don't hold a big press conference criticizing trump on this, at this point.

At a minimum, the hostage were released. If the ceasefire ends tomorrow, that's an accomplishment.

Not anywhere near enough to make me like trump, but Dems probably shouldn't go all ballistic right now.

[choie]

67. Are you serious? Democratic leaders don't do that kind of thing.

Look how long it took them to get tough on trump after he was elected? However, if the shoe was on the other foot, and Biden was in office when the ceasefire occured, you can be damn sure that trump and the republicans would denigrate the ceasefire. Because they're bastards. Democrats are not.

[Silent Type]

72. Thank gawd most don't take this kind of OP to heart.

[Deep State Witch]

23. 2 Years?

Shit, I give it 2 weeks. A month at the most.

[1WorldHope]

24. That is exactly the thought i was having.

Israel will get the hostages back and then annihilate the rest of Gaza.

[jgmiller]

25. Netanyahu has no desire to stop the killing

He only wanted to stop long enough to get the hostages and bodies back. He's shown that his only desire is either the complete eradication of Palestinians in Gaza or their removal to some other country where he doesn't care what happens to them.

[Dave Bowman]

26. I'm afraid that you're right, the genocide will continue.

[jaymac]

94. somehow, in the back of my mind

is the thought that for some in Israel, the genocide that the jewish people endured is still embedded in their marrow of their bones. the German Reich taught the jews that when attacked they MUST fight back three times harder or are in danger of being in the same circumstance again. my heart hurts for the victims on both sides. but this cease fire won't last........

[kentuck]

27. The question that should be asked?

Is who are they negotiating with? They can probably find a couple of hostage takers and make a deal that the larger organization of Hamas has nothing to do with it?

[paleotn]

28. 2 years? Wow! You're an optimist!

The same religious zealots are still there. On both sides. With mutually exclusive goals.

Your first point sums it up. Everything must pass Israeli scrutiny or it's back to bombing, i.e., your second point. With that, this isn't a deal, it's a setup. A trap the Palestinians had no choice but to accept. The goal of this trap is your second point and Bibi's relig-o-nut companions. Your third and fourth points are shiny, completely unworkable pipe dreams. They're not going to create a new Dubai on a pile of burnt out rubble both sides are still willing to slaughter each other to control. Ain't happening.

In 6 months, we're back to indiscriminate shelling and bombing, terrorist attacks, et. al.

[bmichaelh]

29. Question to ask

If it lasts for a little while, this is something to ask your MAGA Christian relatives.

I thought the Anti-Christ creates a temporary peace in the Middle East during the end times.
What does that make Trump?

[Bettie]

54. They get really upset if you go point by point

on how their own book has him checking literally every box in that "antichrist" thing...then they get real quiet.

[OmegaX]

61. There are a number of very specific markers/characteristics/attributes...

...that are attendant to the actual Antichrist.

Chump is not THE Antichrist but he is a type and shadow of him, yet another forerunner, if you will...

[AdamGG]

92. Their book says

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That Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecy of being the messiah that after whose coming, "they will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nation will not lift up sword against nation and neither shall they learn war any more."

Following any kind of logic is basically the antithesis of religion. They're a perfect match for MAGA.

[Iggo]

34. The genocide is not complete and the war criminals are still in power. Of course it will fail.

[BidenRocks]

35. As I see it,

Israel is upset because the Palestinians want what Israel got in 1948. A country of their own.

Is that about right?

I got mine and you can pound sand!

[BlueTsunami2018]

39. I don't see this lasting more than a week or so.

Two years seems wildly optimistic.

Someone altered on this OP as kooky right wing content.

[spike jones]

40. I heard on the radio, yeah the radio,

that the plan Trump proposed is the same that Biden initiated and that Trump discontinued.

[niyad]

104. Exactly!!!

[AloeVera]

45. I give it 3 days.

But well-said.

It's a sham plan, merely to effect the release of the hostages.

And if by some miracle - meaning relentless pressure by the West and the Arab Nations of the Abraham Accords and Egypt, Turkey - it proceeds to the next stage, it will be disastrous for Palestinians as you clearly laid out. The end of a two-state solution for ever. It's abominable.

[niyad]

107. The news today backs you up.

[OMGWTF]

47. I'm so old I remember when there was a country called Palestine.

[sarisataka]

75. Are you from an alternate timeline?

When exactly was there a country called Palestine?

[niyad]

106. I suggest a brief visit to wiki, which will answer your question.

[PCIntern]

110. Never an autonomous country named Palestine and....

We’re King David and Jesus Palestinians?

Think hard on this one….and

Do you remember that Pontius Pilate was sent there by the Romans as a punishment for bad behavior elsewhere, because everybody had a problem with the Jews. They figured they’d give it to him to suffer with.

[SurfLiberal]

113. Of course Palestine exists

Same as Kurdistan or the Iroquois Confederacy.
Just because settler colonialists don't recognize a people, doesn't mean they don't exist.

[PCIntern]

121. Gimme a break:

It was Jews and Arabs there for thousands of years. In 1948 many Arabs left because they were told that they didn’t want to be present in a war zone while the Jews were being annihilated so -poof-

When things didn’t work out that way….well…here we are.

Meanwhile, I dare say that terrorists are going to think twice before they come in and mutilate a bunch of Israelis. The payback was 10,000 fold…or more.

[Mossfern]

126. It was the Palestinian *Territory*

Populated by lots of Jews, as well as Arabs.
It was a territory, not a nation.

This Wiki article has a chart describing the demographic of the area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

I can't figure out how to copy and paste charts like this.

[sarisataka]

122. Thank you, that visit validates my point

That prior to the State of Palestine declaring its independence in November 1988 there never has been a country called Palestine.

[niyad]

123. Are you familiar with the proposed language requirements in the UK?

[sarisataka]

124. I am not sure what you are referring to

Nor do I see how a language requirement in the UK could change the fact there has never historically been a country called Palestine other than the current State of Palestine.

[niyad]

125. Of course not.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

48. There's already a deadly battle for control of Gaza

Deadly clashes break out between armed groups in Gaza days after ceasefire with Israel

https://www.msn.com/en-za/war-and-conflicts/military/deadly-clashes-break-out-between-gaza-armed-groups-even-as-israeli-ceasefire-and-hostage-deal-holds/ar-AA1OlBtt
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/hamas-fights-back-against-gaza-155115827.html



"... bloodshed began Saturday near the city’s Jordanian Hospital, when Hamas security forces exchanged gunfire with members of the Dughmush family — one of Gaza’s most powerful clans, long at odds with Hamas, the BBC"

[Dr. T]

49. These people have been at each other's throats for 6,000 years.

This particular peace plan is just another peace plan in a long line of peace plans. If I were the betting type, I'd say the over/under line is six months.

[niyad]

105. cease fire, not peace plan. merely a step toward a peace plan.

[Dr. T]

119. You're right, niyad.

If Dimwit Donnie is calling it a peace plan, then it most definitely is not a peace plan.

[GreenWave]

50. Too many energy resources off Gaza's shore to return it.

[RandySF]

51. But Hamas will somehow be blameless.

[Norrrm]

52. The word of Hamas has the same integrity as the word of Trump.

[OC375]

55. Finish the Job

I think this was just to get the living hostages home, maybe chill some critics back home too, before rolling in to finish the job. I think HAMAS probably has similar intentions. It's a pause at best. There was "peace" until October 7th too, so I don't think most of these are worth much more than the paper they are scrawled on.

[AloeVera]

58. You think Hamas wants to "finish the job" too?

What job would that be and how would they actually go about it?

Finish Israel? Finish the IDF?


Or perhaps finish their self-genocide and annihilation? The two-state solution perhaps?

What exactly?

[OC375]

59. Israel still exists

So, I believe Hanas has more work to do, given their objectives.

[AloeVera]

63. And how are they going to finish off Israel?

Are they so stupid to think that is now possible? Other than ensuring their own annihilation along with their people, what possible reason would they have for resisting a ceasefire? That argument makes no sense except as self-serving propaganda.

They offered a 10-year truce in 2017 along with claiming they could get a concensus on 1967 borders for a Palestinian state. Defacto recognition of Israel. But Israel was not interested because it wants it all. All of Palestine. That should be clear to all thinking people by now.

[OC375]

65. Ask Hamas

It’s their goal.

[AloeVera]

68. I'll contact my Hamas handler right away!

But before I do that, here's a little primer for you on what you absurdly refer to as "peace" before Oct 7th.

https://www.ijvcanada.org/in-the-week-before-october-7-2023-ijv-factsheet/

Bye.

[niyad]

111. Thank you for this most informative link.

[Ziggysmom]

114. Great summary article. I was not aware of this organization till now.

Much Appreciated!

[Mossfern]

127. Well, it *was* the stated goal of Hamas

to eradicate the State of Israel and Jews world wide until recently when they realized that it was politically incorrect to say the quiet part out loud in their original charter.

[IcyPeas]

60. Trump wanted this SO much... one has to wonder...

Who did he bribe? Hamas? Give them a few billion?

My gut just tells me Trump paid for that standing ovation he got.

Ugghh and Jared and Ivanka all smiles.

[Skittles]

70. yup

I know he's promised something to Hamas.

[Skittles]

69. they hate each other more than they care about anything

I'm curious what Trump promised Hamas.

[debsy]

73. So many are giving him props

The deal isn’t done. It is a propaganda exercise, plain and simple.

[B.See]

80. The return of

hostages and Palestinian prisoners to their families and loved ones was a wonderful thing to see, as is a ceasefire (for however long).

But imo, in order for a done deal there'd have to be (essentially) what I'd suggested from the very start of it all: A lasting ceasefire, a recognition of both states, Palestine and Israel, clearly defined borders, and the disempowerment of extremists on both sides, hell bent on annihilating the other, including Hamas, Netanyahu and his far right compadres.

[sarisataka]

77. There might be a peace deal but Palestinians are still dying

Hamas is publicly executing "collaborators"

[timms139]

78. If they

start building Trump buildings I can't see Hamas not bombing them to the ground .

[republianmushroom]

82. Nope

[vapor2]

83. I don't give it 2 years, just sayin'

[llmart]

84. And just like that...

the Epstein files are off the front page!

[niyad]

108. Exactly!!!

[Jack Valentino]

86. I think the ceasefire will last as little as 3 months, or maybe 3 weeks...

There are certain aspects of the "agreement" which I doubt Hamas is likely to uphold,
and NettyYahoo will be anxious to re-start the GENOCIDE in Gaza
with the least pretense of an excuse to do so... and I think Hamas will give it to them!

(Meanwhile, Hamas is intent on executing anyone in Gaza who has opposed them.....)


It is good that the living hostages have been released at last--- I am glad for that---
but getting both sides to execute all the remaining steps in this 'peace plan'
is extremely unlikely--- just as a lot of persistent alcoholics fail at Alcoholics Anonymous....

[totodeinhere]

87. It may not last but every day it does last is a blessing.

It is good that the living Israeli hostages are free. It is good that so many innocent Palestinian prisoners are free. It is good that Gaza will have a respite from the bombing no matter how long it lasts. And hopefully desperately needed humanitarian aid will flow freely into Gaza for now. And if the deal does break down that is just par for the course. Every so-called peace deal that has ever been negotiated since the founding of Israel has not lasted or at the very least has degraded. If this deal breaks down then that is nothing new. And of course the irony is that President Biden had a similar deal on the table but Bibi would not go for it. We could have had this deal months ago but Bibi wanted to wait so Trump could claim credit for it.

[Fil1957]

88. Thom Hartmann was predicting the bombing would resume in about a week...

[AntiFascist]

90. Bibi is probably doing just enough in the hope that he can get re-elected....

the solution is not to re-elect him and to dissolve the far-right elements of his government.

[LudwigPastorius]

91. You left out the fifth reason this deal will not last.

That's the universal constant: Everything that Trump touches dies.

[thought crime]

93. For Trump, the announcement of peace is more important than peace itself.

He is taking full credit for ending the Gaza war and creating "peace in the Middle East for the first time in 3000 years". If the ceasefire breaks down or other problems develop, it will all be someone else's fault. We've seen this movie before.

[mwb970]

95. trump did the easy part and declared total victory.

Now comes the impossible part. Gee, I wonder what will happen.

[ToxMarz]

100. The quickest way to end the peace deal would be to give Trump the Nobel Peace Prize

One he's got that hung on his tacky wall, he couldn't give two shits what happens there. I don't think they ever rescind those things and good luck getting it back from him anyway.

[niyad]

109. ummmm, you do know that the Nobel was awarded on Oct. 10, but not

to him?

[ToxMarz]

112. October 10th and the Nobel Peace Prize comes around every year

Lasting peace would require more than a one year commitment.

[Diraven]

116. I think the real test will be

When and if relief aid starts flowing again. Is Israel still going to be 100% in control of it and using the people who come to get food for target practice? Because I'm afraid they'll want to keep the genocide going after the war part stops.

[relayerbob]

118. Notable that neither Israel nor Hamas showed up for the signing ceremony

[mucholderthandirt]

128. Really? I give it a month.

Nothing's really changed. Trump's anchor babies still want to own all the things, make ocean-side resorts without all the brown people making things look dirty (or whatever reason there is besides money). There's still not going to be a place for the Palestinian people. Israel doesn't want them on the West Bank, for sure.

So what is the ultimate answer? It's just going to happen again. It will still be genocide. The rich will still profit.