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speak easy

(12,460 posts)
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:00 AM Monday

This is probably going to be a (very) unpopular post.

I've just watched about 10 minutes of Krasnov's addressed to the Knesset. I could not stomach more than that. But anyone thinking that he is going to be shuffling off this mortal coil from dementia is mistaken. This was the Trump of old: lucid (for him), concise (for him) and in clearly touch with his audience.

Here is my takeaway: it's not Stephen Miller who is perpetrating monstrous evil against the United States, it's Krasnov himself.; His cruelty knows no bounds. 'Is he dead yet' Is the most important question that has been posted on DU. Rot in hell, Donald.

EDIT: I thought this would be unpopular for suggesting that Trump's dementia is not as severe as imagined. He is the author of the cruelty, no one else.

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This is probably going to be a (very) unpopular post. (Original Post) speak easy Monday OP
You'll have no disagreement from me. The buck stops with Trump. Tommy Carcetti Monday #1
I'm happy to make him "President of the MIddle East." If they love him, he can stay there. Win win, I say., RoeVWade Monday #3
Well said. hamsterjill Monday #41
Old Italian proverb...Fish rots from the head. BattleRow Monday #119
It's not unpopular with this DUer. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #2
I Think They Call It 'Sundowning' Mr.Bee Monday #106
Is he taking questions? W_HAMILTON Monday #4
When he doesn't like questions AdamGG Tuesday #128
The people who enabled Trump worry me more ... nt Jarqui Monday #5
Agree blubunyip Monday #126
I refused to watch malaise Monday #6
As did I, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #11
If I had to hear one of those two sounds all day subterranean Monday #92
I have to I_UndergroundPanther Monday #125
Me too. Gimpyknee Monday #18
🌞 Good morning, malaise. I concur. littlemissmartypants Monday #25
Have a nice day malaise Monday #26
Same here. I can't even stand to see a picture of him. 🤢 Dave Bowman Monday #53
The only folks worse than him are his enablers malaise Monday #63
Same here! DeeDeeNY Monday #95
I never called him President or even Mr. and never will. It would make me sick. Dave Bowman Monday #96
"shuffling off this mortal coil" J_William_Ryan Monday #7
shithole is ill both mentally and physically................ Lovie777 Monday #8
I think his issues are physical. Dulcinea Monday #44
I never believed that about him being controlled by others JI7 Monday #9
I guarantee you he is controlled by Putin gab13by13 Monday #17
Controlled directly, no; but definitely manipulated. Ocelot II Monday #39
A little flattery here, a little bribery there..... BarbD Monday #85
There's the two-word rule: "he wants." calimary Monday #90
Bingo. Ocelot II Monday #91
The ultimate,terminal case of "I"itis. BattleRow Monday #120
Turned it off, too -- before he began speaking -- after Ivanka got a standing ovation... allegorical oracle Monday #10
WTF is she doing there? llmart Monday #20
That's what I yelled at my TV. allegorical oracle Monday #81
Maybe she still has designs on being the first female president. llmart Monday #83
Trump Gaza Resort and Golf Course. haele Monday #109
They both are, and they feed off each other. lostincalifornia Monday #12
He has lucid moments and demented moments. surfered Monday #13
Like the cockroach you can't kill, he scurries away. Joinfortmill Monday #14
It took him over an hour to brag and mention Ilsa Monday #15
Body double? Wicked Blue Monday #16
Snort. Chuckle. littlemissmartypants Monday #28
Artificially Mme. Defarge Monday #31
DUzy! 🏆🏅 littlemissmartypants Monday #48
Merci! Mme. Defarge Monday #97
Il n'y a pas de quoi! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Monday #104
I call the effect "Debate Donny"... Hugin Monday #67
I'd be hard pressed to conjecture trump having the cachukis Monday #19
With access to very good (some would say top tier) medical care ... Grammy23 Monday #21
Have you seen the movie "Elvis"? WinstonSmith4740 Monday #37
Yep. It's definitely the drugs. Eventually, with any luck... littlemissmartypants Monday #49
He is still a figurehead designed to distract valleyrogue Monday #22
I switched to watching the Ed Gein story instead of Krasnov. milestogo Monday #23
Well, that's an improvement. littlemissmartypants Monday #29
Must be far less repulsive. Dave Bowman Monday #82
Yes, because Gein didn't harm as many people milestogo Monday #110
I always try to watch for this and your right. BradBo Monday #24
Yeah he's evil and hate filled Farmer-Rick Monday #27
His speech patterns are a dead giveaway. littlemissmartypants Monday #51
The monotonous drone, exactly. No emotional inflection. Tool. 58Sunliner Monday #79
Dementia deterioration isn't linear. The symptoms come and go. Ocelot II Monday #30
This. A family member is going through cognitive changes and, no, they're neither linear nor consistent ... Alice B. Monday #35
In addition he was just at the hospital three days ago. Hope22 Monday #59
A Peace Agreement was Reached. A Horrible War has Ended Darnell1972 Monday #32
Calm down. BannonsLiver Monday #34
Ended? Hardly. There's only a fragile cease-fire that either party could and probably will violate. Ocelot II Monday #52
This is just a pause. The genocide is nowhere close to complete... littlemissmartypants Monday #56
I hope not, but it is a clear possibility Darnell1972 Monday #107
Everyone there has likely been traumatized for eternity. ... littlemissmartypants Monday #108
The war has not ended. Straw Man Tuesday #127
Everyone knows that dementia-ridden NJCher Monday #33
Did you watch any of it? speak easy Monday #42
I watched all of it -- he was not this sharp, forceful, lucid person you are saying he was obamanut2012 Monday #70
OK well, I only watched 10 minutes. speak easy Monday #76
+1 BannonsLiver Monday #45
😄🤓❤️ littlemissmartypants Monday #57
Just proves he can still read a teleprompter infullview Monday #36
This whole dementia and failing health may just be another con. leftyladyfrommo Monday #38
Trump will die in bed of old age, in extreme luxury and comfort. dalton99a Monday #40
Good days and bad days at that age. But yes the cruelty JCMach1 Monday #43
Dementia patients can be dialed in but becomes Blue Full Moon Monday #46
Don't lend too much credibility to one good performance. Think really good drugs. flashman13 Monday #47
I muted him and used closed captioning. He was rambling on livetohike Monday #50
Does anyone remember the first half of the year when he actively cheered the travelingthrulife Monday #54
+1 dalton99a Monday #58
Yep malaise Monday #64
Yammering warmonger's escalator stalls at UN. Harbinger of things not to come. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Monday #55
Don't know if I agree angrychair Monday #60
Nice use of the erroneous conclusion technique, speak easy. littlemissmartypants Monday #61
Post removed Post removed Monday #62
So far, I haven't bought into the dementia diagnosis. Polly Hennessey Monday #65
100% Nasruddin Monday #66
He very obviously has dementia obamanut2012 Monday #71
Unpopular? Why? Patton French Monday #68
It was labelled by the OP as "unpopular" NJCher Monday #78
"Because the OP knew it would get a lot of hits. " speak easy Monday #86
your subject head should always be your main point or at least the subject of the post NJCher Monday #87
I will take that on board and be more judicious in future. speak easy Monday #89
You didn't watch the same speech I did obamanut2012 Monday #69
I was left wondering... Hugin Monday #72
Yup, same obamanut2012 Monday #88
My mother in law is 98. She has her lucid days, and she has her space cadet days. It's not linear. DFW Monday #73
Unfortunately, Trump isn't as diminished as have been hearing. Groundhawg Monday #74
Yes, he is obamanut2012 Monday #112
Obviously not. Groundhawg Monday #114
Probably upped his dose of Adderall for the day indusurb Monday #75
Trump always brags about wars he stopped at140 Monday #77
K&R orangecrush Monday #80
It's Popular With Me ... mntleo2 Monday #84
That speech was very early in the morning dsc Monday #93
It depends on his Adderall intake Mblaze Monday #94
Every day I wake up and turn the tv on in the bedroom to see if he has died. If the news is on Bev54 Monday #98
He'll be shuffling off because his 80 year old mortal coil is breaking down. Iggo Monday #99
The cruelty is ubiquitous. North Coast Lawyer Monday #100
The two are not exclusive Metaphorical Monday #101
Ignorance are cruelty are long-wedded partners Torchlight Monday #102
Anybody who has cared for dementia patients knows Bluetus Monday #103
From anecdotal experience with Dementia... SleeplessinSoCal Monday #105
The most popular unpopular thread I have seen airplaneman Monday #111
Sweaty And incoherent Trump Can Barely Finish His Speech In Egypt LetMyPeopleVote Monday #113
I based my opinion on the first 10 minutes of his address to the Knesset. speak easy Monday #115
I am surprised that a sane and rational person made it through even 10 minutes of a trump speech LetMyPeopleVote Monday #116
I did not make it through Speaker Amir Ohana remarks. speak easy Monday #117
Trump is deranged and evil. debsy Monday #118
I've said from the start he's no different than 2016. Callie1979 Monday #121
He is very different from 2016 obamanut2012 Tuesday #130
Well you're entitled to your opinion. To me he's the same dolt Callie1979 Tuesday #131
He is the author of the cruelty, no one else hibbing Monday #122
Every time they say he's failing, he comes back. paulkienitz Monday #123
You probably just caught him at a moment of optimal medication . . . hatrack Monday #124
NONE of Trump's minions does anything B.See Tuesday #129

Tommy Carcetti

(44,294 posts)
1. You'll have no disagreement from me. The buck stops with Trump.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:05 AM
Monday

Yes, he is absolutely insane. He always has been. And combine that with at least some age-related decline, it's an especially disturbing combination.

But I'm not going to let him off the hook, or claim that he's the unwilling puppet behind somebody else.

Yes, he outsources a lot of the nitty gritty to equally repulsively cretins like Miller, mainly because he's either too lazy or too stupid to handle the details.

But he absolutely knows what he's doing.

He's his own evil and he is responsible for everything that happens under him.

RoeVWade

(686 posts)
3. I'm happy to make him "President of the MIddle East." If they love him, he can stay there. Win win, I say.,
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:07 AM
Monday

nt*

hamsterjill

(16,656 posts)
41. Well said.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:44 AM
Monday

I just don't understand why people don't see it! His supporters have got to just be dumbasses at this point - not that they haven't always been, but come on!!!

Mr.Bee

(1,330 posts)
106. I Think They Call It 'Sundowning'
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 03:49 PM
Monday
For Him It's Called 'Morning'...
He's wide awake and alert when he's tweeting.
Then we get the demensia during the day

AdamGG

(1,811 posts)
128. When he doesn't like questions
Tue Oct 14, 2025, 02:05 AM
Tuesday

He just attacks the interviewer and changes the subject. Of course he couldn't stand up to even a low level of critical questioning, but he's created a world where he apparently won't have to.

blubunyip

(252 posts)
126. Agree
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:05 PM
Monday

The enablers are equally cruel and soulless. They don't have age-related cognitive decline but they have other forms of derangement and they are dangerous. Felonious cult leader must go however. He is driving a lot of the revenge attacks.

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,175 posts)
11. As did I,
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:22 AM
Monday

his voice, for me, sounds like someone scraping their fingernails down a chalkboard, it sends shivers down my spine.

subterranean

(3,707 posts)
92. If I had to hear one of those two sounds all day
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 02:13 PM
Monday

I'd choose the fingernails on the chalkboard every time.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,287 posts)
125. I have to
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:42 PM
Monday

Mute the tv when the orange asshole talks. I can’t stand his voice. I just want to scream shut the fuck up at him over and over and drown him out.

littlemissmartypants

(30,186 posts)
25. 🌞 Good morning, malaise. I concur.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:03 AM
Monday

My motto:

Start your day with a smile...
And get it over with.

DeeDeeNY

(3,842 posts)
95. Same here!
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 02:21 PM
Monday

Not only can I not bear to see his image or hear that voice, it bothers me just to hear anyone address him as "Mr. President" or a journalist refer to him in writing with the word President in front of his name.

J_William_Ryan

(3,068 posts)
7. "shuffling off this mortal coil"
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:13 AM
Monday

I long ago resigned myself to the horrendous fact that we’ll be stuck with the orange fascist for at least the next four years.

Lovie777

(20,716 posts)
8. shithole is ill both mentally and physically................
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:14 AM
Monday

he been that way for a while, and it's getting worse.

That said, yes, shithole is cruel and evil, and he's been that way for quit some time, and he has a cruel and evil chorus backing him, no doubt on that. The mentality of the cult is cruel and evil as well.

shithole is also insecure and scared which makes him over the top evil. He's also very jealous of Pres Obama and Pres Biden.

shithole is not loved, they just tolerate him, the RWers are prepping Vance.

Dulcinea

(9,301 posts)
44. I think his issues are physical.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:50 AM
Monday

I'm not a doctor or a medical professional, but the Fascist Felon shows a lot of the signs of CHF. There's no cure for that.

JI7

(92,807 posts)
9. I never believed that about him being controlled by others
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:15 AM
Monday

There are others who can influence or manipulate him through bribes and other things. But that's still him responding based on his own greed .

Just remember how he pushed the birther lies during Obama's time in office.

And him calling for death of those wrongly accused. And the John Baron stuff. This was all him doing something to hurt others or try to get something for himself.

gab13by13

(30,106 posts)
17. I guarantee you he is controlled by Putin
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:43 AM
Monday

Krasnov and Vance have talked about sending Tomahawk cruise missiles to Ukraine. Russia warned Krasnov not to do that, I guarantee Krasnov will not send 1 Tomahawk missile to Ukraine.

Ocelot II

(127,784 posts)
39. Controlled directly, no; but definitely manipulated.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:40 AM
Monday

Everyone who's ever had to deal with him has figured out that he can be manipulated pretty easily with flattery or outright bribes, and manipulation is a form of control. Make him think he's getting something he wants and he'll do the thing you want him to do.

calimary

(88,104 posts)
90. There's the two-word rule: "he wants."
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 02:10 PM
Monday

Dayum! Seems like that’s all I ever see in any articles or coverage of him.

At its most basic, it’s all about “he wants”.

BattleRow

(1,919 posts)
120. The ultimate,terminal case of "I"itis.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 06:18 PM
Monday

Clears his throat by singing ME ,ME ME, ME ,ME every morning..and sometimes in between.

allegorical oracle

(5,820 posts)
10. Turned it off, too -- before he began speaking -- after Ivanka got a standing ovation...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:20 AM
Monday

For the sake of my sanity.

Knew that djt would turn it into a reason to brag and boast. Am happy that the fighting may lessen, but there's a long road ahead. He's great at accepting adulation and applause, but not so good at finishing anything he starts.

llmart

(16,961 posts)
20. WTF is she doing there?
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:52 AM
Monday

And why on earth would she get a standing ovation?

I think I'm going to be sick.

haele

(14,730 posts)
109. Trump Gaza Resort and Golf Course.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 04:19 PM
Monday

She's been handling the properties and Trademarks for the "Family" for over a decade.

surfered

(9,785 posts)
13. He has lucid moments and demented moments.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:28 AM
Monday

I do think that Miiller and Trump are of one mind.

Ilsa

(63,464 posts)
15. It took him over an hour to brag and mention
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:37 AM
Monday

the real workhorses of this ceasefire. Blah, blah, blah.

Hugin

(36,969 posts)
67. I call the effect "Debate Donny"...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 12:01 PM
Monday

Whether it’s a double, android, stimulant cocktail or any combination of those, I have no idea.

Except that I seem to recall the accusations of former President Biden using performance enhancing drugs and you know the rule. Every accusation is a confession.

cachukis

(3,480 posts)
19. I'd be hard pressed to conjecture trump having the
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:44 AM
Monday

wherewithal to put together anything beyond his grandiose world view. Yes, his zero sum game attitude rules his decision making process. But he serendipitously has a machine that has been fine tuning its gears for some time. It aligns with the anti democratic voice reverberating in his head.
He thinks of himself as the puppet master, but symbiotically, Miller, Vought and his cast of infidels know the dance steps.
The anti democracy movement has been here for 250 years. It finally found its head. Hopefully its climax is premature.

Grammy23

(6,057 posts)
21. With access to very good (some would say top tier) medical care ...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:54 AM
Monday

I think he is a walking cocktail of drugs to keep him from running around the room like Daffy Duck. He is still just a few bricks shy of a full load. He is being managed by psychotropic drugs is my guess. So he appears very sleepy and drugged at times and at other times he seems “more like himself”.

He is still evil to his core and full of revenge plots and plans. There is no end to his hate and malevolence.

His appearance today is NO reason to forget that he is as mean as a snake or to think he is somehow a normal human being. He is not. Most medical professionals say that what is wrong with him is not curable. Of course, they told us this before he was elected the first time. Unfortunately, a lot of people did not listen and in fact kind of liked the mean, hateful guy. They actually thought he’d be good for this country.

So here we are 10 years later watching him wreck the country and destroy the very foundation we were built on. He’ll continue his wrecking ball approach until he dies or we figure a way to remove him from office. Do not be fooled by an appearance that is designed to puff him up and distract us further from the fact he is a pedophile, rapist and convicted criminal.

What a time to be alive to witness history.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,393 posts)
37. Have you seen the movie "Elvis"?
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:38 AM
Monday

I can't find the clip, but there's a scene where Elvis passes out on his way to the stage, so he's given a shot of something, and he gets up on stage and does his show.

I keep picturing this scene whenever I see him in public now. They're pumping him full of something before his public appearences when he has to speak.

littlemissmartypants

(30,186 posts)
49. Yep. It's definitely the drugs. Eventually, with any luck...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:01 AM
Monday

One of his physicians will either screw up or decide to be a hero. 🤞

valleyrogue

(2,381 posts)
22. He is still a figurehead designed to distract
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 09:54 AM
Monday

from the wrongdoing by Miller and Vought. THOSE two are way worse and pure evil.

Farmer-Rick

(12,131 posts)
27. Yeah he's evil and hate filled
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:04 AM
Monday

It seems that when dementia hits the narcissits and psychos, their hate and anger mask their obvious declining speaking and thinking abilities. An angry man yelling "move" sounds much more capable than a calm person asking you to please move aside.

But his dementia is worse. Look at some old videos of Trump talking. He use to speak clearly, in complete sentences, and with more accurate and difficult words. He clearly has dementia and it will get worse. It never gets better.

But dementia isn't a gradual downhill slide. It goes in fits and starts. There will be good days and bad days but eventually it will be all bad days. There are drugs and personality issues that can hide it. But eventually nothing will hide it.

But he will always be a nasty piece of work.

littlemissmartypants

(30,186 posts)
51. His speech patterns are a dead giveaway.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:09 AM
Monday

That's the only reason I listened.

His content is undoubtedly created by someone else. But his speech patterns are all his and speaking volumes all their own.

The monotonous drone, the lack of variation in prosody and inflection and the lack of understanding of the deep meaning of the words, all reveal the truth.

Ocelot II

(127,784 posts)
30. Dementia deterioration isn't linear. The symptoms come and go.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:14 AM
Monday

Like most people with that condition, he's can be (relatively) lucid one day and produce nothing but gibberish the next. I don't think there's much doubt in anyone's mind that his thought processes have become more and more incoherent over time; the fact that on some days he seems like a relatively normal though stupid and obnoxious old man doesn't mean his brain isn't turning to mush. It's just that there are still days were he can use the parts that haven't yet reached the consistency of tapioca. As to the evil part - it's quite possible to be both senile and evil, but Trump isn't good at details even on his lucid days, and he's lazy. He needs evil people like Miller and the other orcs that populate his regime to execute the evil, like Hitler needed Goering and Goebbels and Himmler. Trump gets ideas from Miller and the others, and from whatever toxic crap he gets from Fox "News," and he sends the flying monkeys out to do the job.

Alice B.

(653 posts)
35. This. A family member is going through cognitive changes and, no, they're neither linear nor consistent ...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:27 AM
Monday

… in how they manifest.
People talk about “sundowning,” My family member is better in the evening which I’ve learned is perfectly possible and that the term is an oversimplification.

Hope22

(4,210 posts)
59. In addition he was just at the hospital three days ago.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:27 AM
Monday

I’m sure they juiced him with anything and everything they could! He’ll sleep all the way home!!!

Darnell1972

(25 posts)
32. A Peace Agreement was Reached. A Horrible War has Ended
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:18 AM
Monday

I wouldn’t care if the devil himself brokered the peace to that deadly war. Children were being killed daily. This bloody war has ended. That is a good thing. More than 67,000 Palestinians most of whom were non-combatants, were killed to date. I celebrate the end of brutal wars like this regardless of who made it happened. Nor do I wish people I disagree with to die.

Ocelot II

(127,784 posts)
52. Ended? Hardly. There's only a fragile cease-fire that either party could and probably will violate.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:11 AM
Monday

I hate to be a cynic, but this is a tragic situation arising from many years of mutual hostility, and each side has repeatedly announced its goal of annihilating the other. Hamas is a terrorist organization that has proclaimed its desire to kill all Jews; Netanyahu wants to eventually remove all Palestinians from Gaza so he and Trump can build a seaside resort. There is no good faith on the part of anybody any more, and I don't expect this cease-fire to last more than a few weeks - it's likely to go the way of other cease-fires that have been cobbled together in that region. Read and weep: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/575749/why-the-gaza-ceasefire-could-collapse-over-coming-days

littlemissmartypants

(30,186 posts)
56. This is just a pause. The genocide is nowhere close to complete...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:14 AM
Monday

They are just taking a timeout to rearrange the deck chairs. I understand your response but they are just getting warmed up. If they leave one Palestinian standing or out of prison or not enslaved I will be deeply delighted. Otherwise, they are just getting warmed up.

It's despicable.

Darnell1972

(25 posts)
107. I hope not, but it is a clear possibility
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 04:02 PM
Monday

I recognize that the cease fire will likely not be a lasting peace in that region but I certainly hope that it has a positive impact that reduces future violence coming from both sides. Given the history, I will celebrate even a single day of peace where bystanders including children, are not blown up for merely being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Straw Man

(6,908 posts)
127. The war has not ended.
Tue Oct 14, 2025, 01:47 AM
Tuesday

It is merely a ceasefire. Full implementation "Trump Plan" is contingent on Hamas agreeing to disarm and relinquish power in Gaza. To quote Wayne's World, that will happen when monkeys fly out of my butt. As we speak, Hamas is battling other militias who are trying to use the partial withdrawal of IDF to their own advantage.

Don't fall for Trump's grand claims. The road to any lasting peace will be long and difficult.

NJCher

(41,744 posts)
33. Everyone knows that dementia-ridden
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:25 AM
Monday

People have their moments where they can appear lucid. No nursing home employee takes one of those moments and concludes, “you’re cured!”

To listen to you, one would think he clicked his cankles together and hovered over the podium.

Cheebus. The state of critical thinking around here. 😒

speak easy

(12,460 posts)
42. Did you watch any of it?
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:47 AM
Monday

critical thinking is informed thinking; But I don't blame anyone who can't stomach a second of this wretched psycho.

BannonsLiver

(19,777 posts)
45. +1
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:51 AM
Monday

They fluffed him up and he got through a 10 minute speech. Yaaaaaaay. Clearly there’s nothing wrong with him according to the OP. He’s healed!11

infullview

(1,095 posts)
36. Just proves he can still read a teleprompter
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:37 AM
Monday

As others have also said, even dementia patients have moments where they a lucid.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,923 posts)
38. This whole dementia and failing health may just be another con.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:40 AM
Monday

It's always in the back of my mind.

dalton99a

(90,782 posts)
40. Trump will die in bed of old age, in extreme luxury and comfort.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:44 AM
Monday
“Why do the wicked prosper, growing old and powerful? They live to see their children grow up and settle down, and they enjoy their grandchildren. Their homes are safe from every fear, and God does not punish them. Their bulls never fail to breed. Their cows bear calves and never miscarry. They let their children frisk about like lambs. Their little ones skip and dance. They sing with tambourine and harp. They celebrate to the sound of the flute. They spend their days in prosperity, then go down to the grave in peace."
- Job 21 : 7-17

JCMach1

(29,011 posts)
43. Good days and bad days at that age. But yes the cruelty
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:48 AM
Monday

Is 100% on him. He could stop it any time.

Blue Full Moon

(2,932 posts)
46. Dementia patients can be dialed in but becomes
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:57 AM
Monday

Less over time. He can't even close an umbrella. Yes he needs to be held accountable for all his evil deeds.

livetohike

(23,748 posts)
50. I muted him and used closed captioning. He was rambling on
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:06 AM
Monday

and on from one subject to the other. Plenty of bragging using his superlatives and bashing former Presidents Biden and Obama.

In other words “same old shit but different day”.

travelingthrulife

(3,536 posts)
54. Does anyone remember the first half of the year when he actively cheered the
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:13 AM
Monday

Israeli genocide of Palestinians?

angrychair

(11,285 posts)
60. Don't know if I agree
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:28 AM
Monday

I heard a couple minutes of it this morning and he misspoke several times just in that couple of minutes.

Like he said that Israel has historically fought Zionism.
Can't remember the word but there was a word that took took three attempts to say correctly.

He also rambled for at least a minute.

He has had worst speeches but this one was still one they would have attacked Biden's mental health about for days over it.

Response to speak easy (Original post)

Polly Hennessey

(8,256 posts)
65. So far, I haven't bought into the dementia diagnosis.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:57 AM
Monday

He is elderly and, most likely, has a few health issues. He also has the best medical care in the world. No, I fear that he will be with us for many years more. Do I hope I am wrong, you betcha.

Nasruddin

(1,127 posts)
66. 100%
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:57 AM
Monday

He may have medical problems, but dementia is not the leading one if it is even present.

I believe he thinks he's the Messiah. Whatever that means to him. The assassination attempt changed him.

NJCher

(41,744 posts)
78. It was labelled by the OP as "unpopular"
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 12:48 PM
Monday

Because the OP knew it would get a lot of hits. Because DU loves to say "oh yeah?"

Subject headings need to tell us what the post is about, not how we're going to feel about the post.

speak easy

(12,460 posts)
86. "Because the OP knew it would get a lot of hits. "
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 01:51 PM
Monday

Not at all. I said he was relatively lucid and concise at least for the 10 minutes I watched. I suggested dementia is unlikely to kill him anytime soon, and that he is in charge of the cruelty. Miller is just a servant. All of that I thought would be unpopular.

NJCher

(41,744 posts)
87. your subject head should always be your main point or at least the subject of the post
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 01:57 PM
Monday

Not how you project people are going to feel about it.

speak easy

(12,460 posts)
89. I will take that on board and be more judicious in future.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 02:07 PM
Monday

A more descriptive headline would have read "Trump is in charge of the cruelty not anyone else" but honestly, I thought I'd be crucified for suggesting that Krasnov's dementia is not as serious as has been suggested here.

obamanut2012

(28,927 posts)
69. You didn't watch the same speech I did
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 12:05 PM
Monday

His energy level is artifical, too. Why do you think he was at Walter Reed Friday?

Hugin

(36,969 posts)
72. I was left wondering...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 12:10 PM
Monday

If his trip to Walter Reed was to determine if he could survive another extended round of whatever he’s being pumped up with or if he was actually pumped up there?

DFW

(59,157 posts)
73. My mother in law is 98. She has her lucid days, and she has her space cadet days. It's not linear.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 12:15 PM
Monday

I'm sure Trump has the same consistency. I.e. he's inconsistent.

What he is NOT, is convincing. Puede vencer, pero no convencerá jamás.

indusurb

(270 posts)
75. Probably upped his dose of Adderall for the day
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 12:21 PM
Monday

He is still an old man showing severe signs of dementia.

at140

(6,196 posts)
77. Trump always brags about wars he stopped
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 12:39 PM
Monday

Is this true or lies? Trump lies a lot. So I don't know if he really stopped 8 wars.

mntleo2

(2,629 posts)
84. It's Popular With Me ...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 01:21 PM
Monday

I cannot remember where I got knocked off for saying the same thing, but it doesn't matter as they are fools anyway if you cannot express (nonviolent) statements. My statement at the time was something ,like, "all I ask every day when I get up in the morning is, 'is he dead yet?' " I am not promoting he gets killed by someone, sheesh. I am promoting that his gluttonous lifestyle catches up with him ...soon.

Again Speak Easy, keep it up, many of us feel the same way

Cat from Seattle

dsc

(53,193 posts)
93. That speech was very early in the morning
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 02:19 PM
Monday

which might explain him being more lucid. Dementia patients are often best in the morning.

Bev54

(12,961 posts)
98. Every day I wake up and turn the tv on in the bedroom to see if he has died. If the news is on
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 02:40 PM
Monday

about something else or there is a commercial on, I know he is still going and I shut off the tv. I can't watch anymore of his destruction of your country, it is too depressing.

Iggo

(49,290 posts)
99. He'll be shuffling off because his 80 year old mortal coil is breaking down.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 02:42 PM
Monday

Can’t reverse that shit.

North Coast Lawyer

(216 posts)
100. The cruelty is ubiquitous.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 03:08 PM
Monday

I totally agree that Trump's cruelty knows no bounds. However, MAGA is chock full of equally cruel people. Indeed cruelty is part and parcel of MAGA. The cruelty didn't start with Trump -- and it won't end with Trump either.

Metaphorical

(2,528 posts)
101. The two are not exclusive
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 03:09 PM
Monday

I have dealt with relatives with Alzheimer's. As the disease progresses, even before they get to the stage where they no longer recognize others, there is a period where they become nasty, hateful, vile and vindictive, and sociopathic. Trump has long (perhaps not always, but likely through much of his life) been a malignant narcissist, and I think his first term in office was intended to ultimately seize power, but he was still hamstrung by incompetence at first, then by a Congress that did manage to thwart those goals. He waited too long, assumed that the takeover would be easier than he thought.

I think his intent was originally to find a way to keep from being prosecuted for his swindles. Once in office, however, once he realized how much power he had, the idea of actually taking control of the entire country took hold, especially after he realized that so long as the Democrats were in power in any part of Congress he'd be blocked. I think he spent the next four years looking at ways he could game the system (yes, I think the election was rigged), and he tapped specific people for the purpose of tearing down the existing political establishment.

The dementia is real, and if anything it, has leant urgency to his actions. He may even be dying, but if he is, he's going to bring the whole world down with him. This is not atypical thinking for people with mid-stage dementia.

Torchlight

(5,893 posts)
102. Ignorance are cruelty are long-wedded partners
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 03:12 PM
Monday

In many cases, each builds off the other as the cycle of absurdity spins faster.

Bluetus

(1,678 posts)
103. Anybody who has cared for dementia patients knows
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 03:36 PM
Monday

they have good days and bad days. So if Trump got a good night's sleep and gave a somewhat cogent speech, that should not be surprising.

People generally don't die of dementia. They die from not taking care of themselves, and from other age-related conditions that are not directly related to dementia.

I expect they can prop Trump up for another 3 years, but he will have increasingly frequent bad days. And on another tangent, if Trump had actually accomplished anything significant, one would think he would have moved this along so it could be considered for the Peace Prize. So evidently, this was not one of the 8 wars that Trump has personally ended.

It is, in fact, a genocide that is taking a pause. This "war" won't be over until Trump and his buddies can build hotels where Palestinians once lived. There is a lot more genocide to come before that point.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,304 posts)
105. From anecdotal experience with Dementia...
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 03:47 PM
Monday

In the beginning stages there are good and bad days. Mind you my darling hubby wasnt a malignant narcissistic madman. But a good day doesn't mean there is no Dementia.

speak easy

(12,460 posts)
115. I based my opinion on the first 10 minutes of his address to the Knesset.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 05:33 PM
Monday

I most probably overstated my case. Nevertheless, I believe he is the driving force of the cruelty of the administration and its lust for revenge. The sycophants in the cabinet and the Congress follow his lead.

LetMyPeopleVote

(171,455 posts)
116. I am surprised that a sane and rational person made it through even 10 minutes of a trump speech
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 05:36 PM
Monday

speak easy

(12,460 posts)
117. I did not make it through Speaker Amir Ohana remarks.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 05:51 PM
Monday
Speaking for over 20 minutes, Knesset Speaker Amir Ohana calls US President Donald Trump a “colossus who will be enshrined in the pantheon of history,” declaring that the Jewish people will remember him “thousands of years from now.”

“Mr. President, you stand before the people of Israel not as another American president, but as a giant of Jewish history — one for whom we must look back, two and a half millennia into the mists of time to find a parallel, in Cyrus the Great,” Ohana says, referring to an ancient Persian king who allowed the Jews to return from exile in Babylonia and rebuild their Temple in Jerusalem.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/knesset-speaker-lauds-trump-as-giant-of-jewish-history/

debsy

(668 posts)
118. Trump is deranged and evil.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 06:05 PM
Monday

He knows exactly what he is doing. He always has been this way. A lot of how he behaves is some to cause distractions from the horror he is inflicting. The more chaotic things are, the harder it is to pay attention to the important things that directly affects us.

He is a vengeful person and he believes the United States has done him wrong throughout his life. He is taking vengeance on our entire country because he thinks we are all scum and vermin for not kissing his ring.

Callie1979

(969 posts)
121. I've said from the start he's no different than 2016.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 08:07 PM
Monday

I dont understand how everyone thinks THIS version of idiocy is different from the shit he spouted back then

Callie1979

(969 posts)
131. Well you're entitled to your opinion. To me he's the same dolt
Tue Oct 14, 2025, 11:29 AM
Tuesday

He screwed up names & places and babbled endlessly about stupid shit back then too. He thought Finland was part of russia. I dont know why today is any different.

hibbing

(10,476 posts)
122. He is the author of the cruelty, no one else
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 08:18 PM
Monday

Good post, but I think cruelty has been a significant component of the party for decades. Peace!

paulkienitz

(1,472 posts)
123. Every time they say he's failing, he comes back.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 08:27 PM
Monday

I've said all along that those who call him crazy or deluded or demented are not giving enough credit. He sounds crazy or deluded or demented because he lies so much. He has repeatedly demonstrated that he is very aware of the difference between what he says in public and what he tells those near him in private, that it's highly intentional and conscious, and that even at his most incoherent and irrelevant he is not unmoored, but following a chosen strategy. Wandering off topic into random bullshit is a personal technique he calls "the weave".

That said, his health clearly isn't great, and there are reports of him having some bad days. Maybe he'll be gone by spring, or maybe not. But bad health does not explain the nonsensical way he communicates — that's something he does on his good days.

It's also clear that when he isn't actively steering policy, and the Chief of Staff is sending out orders on his behalf, that Miller is every bit as vicious and cruel as his master, perhaps even more so.

hatrack

(63,772 posts)
124. You probably just caught him at a moment of optimal medication . . .
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 08:34 PM
Monday

This, too, shall pass away.

B.See

(7,020 posts)
129. NONE of Trump's minions does anything
Tue Oct 14, 2025, 03:02 AM
Tuesday

without his complete approval.

So yes, HE is the root of ALL of their evil, and I've always believed it.

And as I've said before nor am I counting on his dropping dead anytime soon, much as I'd delight in it.

I consider such whimsy distractions from the challenges ahead.

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