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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaybe Antifa should rebrand and use their proper name.
I hear Karoline Leavitt and others throw around the name Antifa like they're Contra rebels or Sandinistas. Most people don't know what their cause is, just that they're fighting the government and said to be violent. They're freely associating Antifa as a hate group attacking innocent public servants.
It would be altogether different if republicans had to cry that the Anti Fascists have taken over the democratic party. Make them wear their swastikas openly.
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ret5hd
(21,849 posts)JohnnyRingo
(20,207 posts)I just think the latter has more impact in the press.
I don't assume average people know the cause of the Antifa movement any more than what the Boogie Man does and republicans are defining it to suit themselves. They publicly claim it's a dangerous group bent on violence and destruction just because we don't like Trump.
Perhaps instead of a rebrand, the movement could clarify the cause so even my 90 year old mother in law will understand and not fear that Antifa will snatch her off the street or burn her house down. Republicans are painting that picture every day.
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Torchlight
(5,845 posts)surfered
(9,719 posts)Ocelot II
(127,684 posts)It's a movement or philosophy. You're not a member of Antifa if you ascribe to the ideas underlying the movement because there's no group to be a member of. It can't be a hate group or a terrorist group because it's not even a group, which is why it's so stupid for the Trump regime to try to classify it as a terrorist organization. Since Antifa is a movement and not an organization, it doesn't have a chairperson or a board of directors or a marketing committee or anybody else who can "rebrand" it. The whole controversy is just dumb.
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Ocelot II
(127,684 posts)EYESORE 9001
(29,140 posts)that I didnt have time to post a pithy reply
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LT Barclay
(3,117 posts)label.
Im disgusted that so many people are willing to go along with this crap.
I largely blame the military on this one. The entire time I was in the USCG they required what they called civil rights training. Sadly it was entirely about the members personal rights and was required annually. Constitution training was one time. Completely inverted for a law enforcement agency. I put that in my review every year. So most of those Fox News fed armed idiots in the National Guard have no idea they are doing something wrong. The ones who do are scared to speak up.
MineralMan
(149,924 posts)We should own it.
mdbl
(7,545 posts)That's the version they seem to like better.
keep_left
(3,088 posts)..."anti-Antifa" = "Fa". That about sums it up, I think. (Wish I could find it now so I could post it here).
bucolic_frolic
(52,739 posts)I hear there are tax benefits
mr715
(2,113 posts)sop
(16,402 posts)Someone should create an Americans Against Fascism website and organization.
gulliver
(13,547 posts)You put on a Ninja suit and call yourself an "anti-fascist," et voila, you're a hero! It's just silly, not to mention it looks demented and self-indulgent.
Let's try Judo. Imo, more of our Dem leaders should come out "against" so-called Antifa. Then, we look for the organization under everyone's bed and announce we've scared them off.
CaptainTruth
(7,917 posts)gfarber
(120 posts)There once was a White House display,
Where a war on the vague was conveyed.
If youre not MAGA, they cried,
From your rights well divide
And they framed every shadow as traitor-made.
They rallied some pundits to show
Tales of chaos (live on a row).
Youre a cartel! theyd say,
For your funds we will pay
Though the thing they described had no flow.
They called it a terror with no head,
An anti-fascist ghost, it was said.
No leader to name,
No office to blame,
Yet the threats kept on growing instead.
Like GWOT, some voices would sigh,
A blanket attack from the sky.
No battlefield clear,
Just a broadened sphere
Where suspicion could easily fly.
An attorney talked of a plan brick-by-brick,
To dismantle a phantom real quick.
So drone if we must,
And film for the trust,
As if justice and ratings could click.
They waved insurrection like a key,
Unlocking powers they claim to foresee.
A pretext, a script,
A democracy slipped
As the law bowed to theater on sixtieth degree.
Create chaos, confuse and inflame,
Was the playbook some critics would name.
Cloud the crowd with a gas,
Label protestors as mass
Then call out the soldiers to tame.
If the future looks late and austere,
And the path forward fogged by fear,
We have tools that are bright:
The ballot, the light,
And a chorus thats steadfast and clear.
So ask now what can we do if its grim?
Stand together: organize, vote, and sing.
Nonviolent and bold,
Hold leaders to hold
Keep the remainder of liberty prim.
ancianita
(42,249 posts)hay rick
(9,095 posts)Be The Light
(120 posts)
kimbutgar
(26,230 posts)They are brainwashed into thinking that anti fascists is a bad thing but its really people who are against fascism and don't want a democracy anymore but a dictatorship. Id love to ask a magaloon if they are ok with a dictatorship instead of democracy by the people. Most of them didnt pay attention in US history class in high school. And the ones who know the difference like the rule of the orange turd and billionaires controlling our country !
ashredux
(2,783 posts)They keep talking about antifa, making it a terrorist organization status, but who the hell is running antifa
It isnt an organization at all. Theres no supreme leader, there is no lieutenants, its just a name some guys used on the Internet to get a crowd together back during the protest of the murder of Floyd.
JohnnyRingo
(20,207 posts)It might be worse that the group doesn't have structure. When there's violence at a protest they can strike back at any protestor they see as Antifa... once they convince the public that Antifa is a terrorist group.
Kind of like how narco terrorists are being attacked and sunk in the Caribbean. Just to protect us.
Mike Niendorff
(3,631 posts)For obvious reasons.
So yeah, I always go with "anti-fascist".
Clarity matters, and it shines a light on the fact that "pro-fascist" is the other side of this -- also known simply as "fascist".
MDN
thebigidea
(13,536 posts)When you're explaining, you're losing. Republicans like using the word antifa BECAUSE it sounds stupid, foreign, and puts Dems on the defensive.
I'm a Democrat. I don't need to use the word "antifa," it has no relevance to me or my family. Both sides escaped or fought Nazis and fascists. They didn't use the word either.
I'd rather make the word REPUBLICAN sound as ugly as they are.
Blue Owl
(57,587 posts)Maybe his moron minority clump of MAGA idiots will buy it, but not anyone else .
LetMyPeopleVote
(171,106 posts)ret5hd
(21,849 posts)switched from using liberal to progressive