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moonshinegnomie

(3,696 posts)
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 03:10 PM Wednesday

Its time to start arresting ICE agents

a judge in chicago just found that ICE is vioalting a consent decree they signed over warrentless arrests.
start arresting ICE agents and treat them the same way ICE is treating people they arrest.
start with those in charge.
and if they talk back or struggle at all throw in resisting arrest and obstruction charges.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/10/07/ice-violated-consent-decree-with-warrantless-arrests-federal-judge-in-chicago-says/?utm_content=bufferee40f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer



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Its time to start arresting ICE agents (Original Post) moonshinegnomie Wednesday OP
Absolutely! SheltieLover Wednesday #1
And taking names time places and other thing that maybe uses as evidence in future court hearings. Or hopefully..... usaf-vet Wednesday #16
Very well said Grim Chieftain Wednesday #25
Does it mean anything slightlv Wednesday #54
Was there any bdamomma Wednesday #2
I saw a pic of a Presbyterian Minister Captain Zero Wednesday #4
That's bdamomma Wednesday #22
shot w a pepper ball. mopinko Wednesday #27
I think they have sub contracted bounty hunters Captain Zero Wednesday #3
I agree but my question is..who has authority to arrest ICE agents? Deuxcents Wednesday #5
Why not local police? TommyT139 Wednesday #8
Local and state police can arrest ICE "contractors" for breaking local and state laws. sop Wednesday #10
Then let's start filing police reports.. Deuxcents Wednesday #11
Police. If someone wearing a mask with no identification + badge number and no warrant is trying to GoodRaisin Wednesday #46
Its gonna take someone else to start this quakerboy Wednesday #50
I wouldn't be surprised if they hired the Proud Boys to act as the ICE agents. Figures, on hiring unqualified SWBTATTReg Wednesday #6
Why wait until he's gone? Start today, get some Judges involved KS Toronado Wednesday #17
Absolutely proud boys and Jan 6ers. 1WorldHope Wednesday #20
I think bdamomma Wednesday #23
Yup. I have no doubt that's who they are. Probaby why they wear masks. wnylib Wednesday #40
I'm certain that some of the ICE agents on these raids are the pardoned J6 insurrectionists. wnylib Wednesday #39
Yes, and ironically, we already know who would be the better citizens... SWBTATTReg Wednesday #41
Or just abolish ICE n/t leftstreet Wednesday #7
They should also watch what ICE officers are doing Off-Duty. Midnight Writer Wednesday #9
Yup, arrests long overdue Magoo48 Wednesday #12
Yup.tick tock, you bums. Joinfortmill Wednesday #13
First enforcement step is to have the ID's of those who violated. The ACLU's probably got the evidence. ancianita Wednesday #14
Those laws are not enforceable against the Feds DetroitLegalBeagle Wednesday #31
Arguable. Especially in courts. The California mask ban ancianita Wednesday #33
Anyone know why Newsom exempted CHP from the mask law? MichMan Wednesday #36
Seems logical to me that, since CHP know they report to him, they know he'd fire them if they went against this law. ancianita Wednesday #44
They are exempted from having to follow it though MichMan Wednesday #47
Sure, but Newsom can still order them not to, unless they're 'under cover' and somehow run into masked up ICE. ancianita Wednesday #48
Sorry - but seems pretty clear that most legal opinion is going in the other direction stopdiggin Wednesday #55
Fair enough, thanks. ancianita Wednesday #58
agree 100% ! stopdiggin Thursday #61
"We don't need to abide by this garbage," OldBaldy1701E Thursday #62
besides the fact that they have guns, badges, a court system and jails .. ? stopdiggin Thursday #64
So, lay there and take it. Gotcha. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Thursday #67
you asked a question - now my turn. "And YOUR fix for the problem .. ?" stopdiggin Thursday #68
I don't have a 'fix'. OldBaldy1701E Friday #69
Wish I could give this post 10 recs. cer7711 Wednesday #15
If this bdamomma Wednesday #26
Since they're not properly identified they could be arrested with legal justification. Gaugamela Wednesday #18
Who? progressoid Wednesday #19
Local law enforcement with backing of the N G? 1WorldHope Wednesday #21
and the analogy is patently a non-starter. stopdiggin Wednesday #56
Or in armed struggle with all the cams around, start yanking some masks... Montauk6 Wednesday #24
I can't believe they aren't being identied. hamsterjill Wednesday #42
Are they perhaps fanboys of pre-Woke Watchmen? Montauk6 Friday #70
They need their own one-way plane tickets to the Congo C_U_L8R Wednesday #28
Some stand your ground would send a message. randr Wednesday #29
Definitely and vfor violating state and local laws Warpy Wednesday #30
I totaly agree Figarosmom Wednesday #32
In complete agreement Picaro Wednesday #34
It's time to eat pie in the sky maxsolomon Wednesday #35
This message was self-deleted by its author BeneteauBum Wednesday #37
Yes! BeneteauBum Wednesday #38
The proper use of the 2nd Amendment... AntiFascist Wednesday #43
You know it's bad when.... citizen blues Wednesday #45
Especially when: DFW Wednesday #49
Effing YES! They're acting like a gang of lawless thugs, arrest every one that breaks the law!!! CaptainTruth Wednesday #51
Been saying this for weeks CanonRay Wednesday #52
Way past time Shipwack Wednesday #53
Actually let's go to the source and start arresting some fucking Fox News hosts! Initech Wednesday #57
They're getting paid a bounty for each immigrant captured .... aggiesal Thursday #59
Publish the mug shots also. Old Crank Thursday #60
Kick BlueWavePsych Thursday #63
Past time. republianmushroom Thursday #65
lock 'em up poozwah Thursday #66

usaf-vet

(7,717 posts)
16. And taking names time places and other thing that maybe uses as evidence in future court hearings. Or hopefully.....
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 04:46 PM
Wednesday

..... someday they will all be standing in the "dock" at the International Criminal Court in The Hague

The International Criminal Court (ICC) investigates and, where warranted, tries individuals charged with the gravest crimes of concern to the international community.

The International Criminal Court in The Hague prosecutes those accused of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.

Like blowing up "fishing" boats in international waters.

slightlv

(6,670 posts)
54. Does it mean anything
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 10:18 PM
Wednesday

since the U.S. is not a signatory to the ICC? I believe that curtails their justice on Americans who should be convicted of war crimes... especially Bush, Cheney, trump, miller, at alia...

Captain Zero

(8,497 posts)
4. I saw a pic of a Presbyterian Minister
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 03:16 PM
Wednesday

Getting clobbered.
Trump's a Presbyterian too, nominally.

TommyT139

(1,990 posts)
8. Why not local police?
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 03:37 PM
Wednesday

If the cops are witnessing crimes taking place, they should intervene.

sop

(16,392 posts)
10. Local and state police can arrest ICE "contractors" for breaking local and state laws.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 04:07 PM
Wednesday

They don't have immunity, and Trump can't pardon them.

GoodRaisin

(10,575 posts)
46. Police. If someone wearing a mask with no identification + badge number and no warrant is trying to
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 06:58 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:11 PM - Edit history (1)

snatch people off the street they should be arrested and charged with kidnapping and assault.

quakerboy

(14,575 posts)
50. Its gonna take someone else to start this
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 09:09 PM
Wednesday

Police are not on our side. They will default to supporting authority.

If they were ordered by their local governments to do specific things to protect the residents of their cities and states, they might comply. But without that explicit direction, they will default to helping ICE regardless of legality or morality.

SWBTATTReg

(25,752 posts)
6. I wouldn't be surprised if they hired the Proud Boys to act as the ICE agents. Figures, on hiring unqualified
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 03:19 PM
Wednesday

personnel to be in these roles.

After tRUMP is gone, every one of these thugs should be arrested and charged w/ crimes against humanity, against the American people.

KS Toronado

(21,516 posts)
17. Why wait until he's gone? Start today, get some Judges involved
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 04:47 PM
Wednesday

And keep them locked up until their trial by jury. Lot of these ice agents were locked up
for Jan 6th crimes before dumpie let them all out of prison.

wnylib

(25,338 posts)
39. I'm certain that some of the ICE agents on these raids are the pardoned J6 insurrectionists.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 06:09 PM
Wednesday

Might have been the whole point of pardoning them. Trump's private army of thugs.

I think we should deport ICE and keep the immigrants.

Midnight Writer

(24,858 posts)
9. They should also watch what ICE officers are doing Off-Duty.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 03:44 PM
Wednesday

I reckon a bunch of newly hired losers with that $50,000 signing bonus are going to be partying hard after a tough day's work of head bashing.

Wouldn't be surprised if they are publicly drunk, if they are disorderly, if they like to start fights, if they troll for prostitutes, if they drive like they are above the law.

All of these actions violate State and Local law, and since they are off-duty, they have no legal defense.

Stake them out, monitor their behavior, call police and press charges when these goons act out.

Magoo48

(6,643 posts)
12. Yup, arrests long overdue
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 04:33 PM
Wednesday

Thousands of the ICE agents are not agents at all. So, start by arresting them.

ancianita

(42,230 posts)
14. First enforcement step is to have the ID's of those who violated. The ACLU's probably got the evidence.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 04:42 PM
Wednesday

CA showed an important step that should have been taken by now: a no-mask law -- that includes explicit penalties on violators -- should be passed by the IL legislature, if it isn't already on the books. The same should be done in every other blue state.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,439 posts)
31. Those laws are not enforceable against the Feds
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 05:30 PM
Wednesday

States cannot regulate how Federal agencies carry out their duties, and that includes what they wear while doing it.

ancianita

(42,230 posts)
33. Arguable. Especially in courts. The California mask ban
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 05:41 PM
Wednesday

-- Prohibits the use of ski masks and other coverings that conceal identity for federal and local law enforcement officials.
Who is included: Federal agents, such as ICE agents, and local police are covered.
Who is excluded: The ban does not apply to state police, which would exclude the California National Guard

Proponents of the California law said it is especially needed after the Supreme Court ruled last month that the Trump administration can resume its sweeping immigration operations in Los Angeles. The law aims to boost public trust in law enforcement and stop people from impersonating officers to commit crimes, supporters said.

Constitutional law expert Erwin Chemerinsky at the University of California, Berkeley, also defended the legislation. Federal employees still have to follow general state rules “unless doing so would significantly interfere with the performance of their duties."


His opinion, with links.

https://archive.ph/AX6fV

September 21, 2025, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed the "No Secret Police Act" (Senate Bill 627), which bans most law enforcement officers, including federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, from wearing masks to conceal their identities while on duty. It goes into effect in Jan 2026, but it's on the books.

MichMan

(16,056 posts)
36. Anyone know why Newsom exempted CHP from the mask law?
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 06:00 PM
Wednesday

Seems odd given that they report to him.

ancianita

(42,230 posts)
44. Seems logical to me that, since CHP know they report to him, they know he'd fire them if they went against this law.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 06:48 PM
Wednesday

MichMan

(16,056 posts)
47. They are exempted from having to follow it though
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:01 PM
Wednesday

They are free to mask up. It's just everyone else that's prohibited.

ancianita

(42,230 posts)
48. Sure, but Newsom can still order them not to, unless they're 'under cover' and somehow run into masked up ICE.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:24 PM
Wednesday

But in that case, Newsom still wouldn't want that kind of 'incident,' since it probably would be reported to Trump/NOEM, who are just waiting for any pretext the felon could use to invoke the 'insurrection' act, and then dare the state to take him to court. So far, AG's Rob Bonta and Kwame Raoul have their hands full.

If they're free to mask up in this federal v state context, I still don't see that as a problem or even a potential one.

stopdiggin

(14,486 posts)
55. Sorry - but seems pretty clear that most legal opinion is going in the other direction
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 10:23 PM
Wednesday

Regardless of what Newsom says - he would seem to be swimming upstream on the issue - given that there is relatively strong legal precedent saying that state and local authority cannot arrest (and/or prosecute?, nor proscribe action?) of federal agents/officers while engaged in official acts.

Senate Bill 627, which would prohibit federal officers from wearing masks during their operations, drew the heaviest media coverage and a dismissive response from administration officials.

We don’t need to abide by this garbage,” Tricia McLaughlin, deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, posted on X.

Bill Essayli, the acting U.S. attorney for the central district of California, said on social media that the new mask law would have no effect on federal operations. Many California law enforcement groups also oppose the law.


https://verdict.justia.com/2025/09/24/absent-federal-consent-california-cannot-regulate-ices-use-of-masks
Absent Federal Consent California Cannot Regulate ICE’s Use of Masks
https://calmatters.org/commentary/2025/09/mask-ban-federal-officers-california/
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/22/nx-s1-5549165/california-passes-law-banning-ice-agents-from-wearing-masks-to-hide-their-identities

ancianita

(42,230 posts)
58. Fair enough, thanks.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 11:05 PM
Wednesday

Though I wouldn't consider what Homeland's McLaughlin says on X as authoritative.

stopdiggin

(14,486 posts)
61. agree 100% !
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 02:38 AM
Thursday

Only in there to show that the feds almost immediate reaction was - "Ha, ha, ha, ha .... We have absolutely NO intention ... "

This will obviously have to find its way into the court system.
(If, in fact, there is any effort made to enforce this rule upon federal agents. )

OldBaldy1701E

(9,296 posts)
62. "We don't need to abide by this garbage,"
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 08:55 AM
Thursday

So....

If they don't... why should we abide anything from them?

stopdiggin

(14,486 posts)
64. besides the fact that they have guns, badges, a court system and jails .. ?
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 11:45 AM
Thursday

that part?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

And from there, I suppose we could move on to the constitutional principle of federal law superseding state and local ...
Which is where most legal experts are hanging their hats.

But, other than that ... Why, nothing at all !

stopdiggin

(14,486 posts)
68. you asked a question - now my turn. "And YOUR fix for the problem .. ?"
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 04:55 PM
Thursday

And, thanks in advance ...

OldBaldy1701E

(9,296 posts)
69. I don't have a 'fix'.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 12:29 AM
Friday

To fix it is to just allow things to stay as they are, which will just make this all happen again. My solution is to let it collapse, which will remove those who are at the 'top' of the chain. Once they have no power, we can start with some regulations that will hopefully create a more equitable society for everyone, even those who do not feel that greed is a virtue.

This is my position on how to 'fix' what has happened to our society. Which is a decidedly unpopular position to have. But, I do not have the faith that some have in our judicial branch. I do not think that is what will save us. I do not have the faith in the societal model that we are currently under because it created this in the first place. I think that trying to retain it while throwing on another bandaid is just going to prolong what is going on, as well as allowing another Trump further down the road.

My solution is too radical. I am forced to accept that. I think it can be done, but no one cares about what I think. They just want my vote, or my back, or my legs, or whatever part of me that can be exploited to create a society that I find more and more repulsive each day. Unfortunately, I am a very poor choice for a radical leader. My health is beyond pitiful and I am not physically appealing (which is more than adequate for being listened to, doesn't matter if you actually know anything or not, looks can get you far in our society), so I cannot hope to interest anyone in what I have to say, nor implement any ideas I might have to try and change things anyway.

Besides, it is apparent to me that enough of us do not want things to change much at all. So, just keep doing what you all are doing. I won't be around much longer anyway. Maybe I got too excited at the prospect of finally seeing a situation that could lead to some real change in our society. But, I guess I was being too... deluded?

I recently read where someone said that they find it funny that some of us think that we are going to vote our way out of this. So do I.
But, I have been wrong before, and I have been right before. Only time will tell which one it will be.

cer7711

(575 posts)
15. Wish I could give this post 10 recs.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 04:44 PM
Wednesday

Well said.
Start arresting the lawless, masked thugs acting like a brutish goon squad.

PS. Notice the ICE-related story the other day? Woman shot 5 times after an ice agent taunted her to "make a move, bitch."
This is America?! United States of?!!!!
Appalling.

1WorldHope

(1,698 posts)
21. Local law enforcement with backing of the N G?
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 05:07 PM
Wednesday

I know if any of us put on fake badges and masks and started beating people, we would be arrested.

stopdiggin

(14,486 posts)
56. and the analogy is patently a non-starter.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 10:28 PM
Wednesday

"any of us w/ fake badges ..."
means precisely squat.

Montauk6

(9,265 posts)
24. Or in armed struggle with all the cams around, start yanking some masks...
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 05:18 PM
Wednesday

If we can't justice, they shouldn't keep anonymity. Just sayin'.

hamsterjill

(16,634 posts)
42. I can't believe they aren't being identied.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 06:38 PM
Wednesday

These people have family members, they have neighbors, they have kids in school, etc. I'm not suggesting a "hit list" or anything of the sorts. Violence is not the answer to anything. But shaming them is another story. If they are so damn proud of what they do, why do they need to wear a mask?

Someone mentioned to me the other day that they have a son who is an ICE agent. She was embarrassed. This particular son is not involved in these raids - at least not yet. He serves in a different capacity. But if his own mother is embarrassed...

C_U_L8R

(48,258 posts)
28. They need their own one-way plane tickets to the Congo
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 05:23 PM
Wednesday

If they don’t fall out somewhere over the Atlantic.

What goes around, traitors.

Warpy

(114,014 posts)
30. Definitely and vfor violating state and local laws
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 05:29 PM
Wednesday

so that bloated gobshite in the White House can't pardon them if they are convicted.

Getting convictions in states that still have qualified immunity for law enforcement will be a tall order, but at least their lives will be totally fouled up by legal expenses and court appearances in the short term and that alone might prove to be a disincentive to any misbehaving brethren who have escaped being charged....yet.

Figarosmom

(9,069 posts)
32. I totaly agree
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 05:34 PM
Wednesday

That might make them think before they act. The piece if shit in the white house has no authority to get them out of jail or pardon state charges either.

Picaro

(2,212 posts)
34. In complete agreement
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 05:49 PM
Wednesday

These fuckers are constantly blatantly violating the law. They should be arrested and charged.

Response to moonshinegnomie (Original post)

AntiFascist

(13,677 posts)
43. The proper use of the 2nd Amendment...
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 06:45 PM
Wednesday

a well-regulated militia resisting a Federal invasion of a State trampling the peoples' freedoms.

citizen blues

(604 posts)
45. You know it's bad when....
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 06:55 PM
Wednesday

...a Portland cop threatens to arrest an ICE agent if he runs his car into protestors.

The Portland Police haven't exactly covered themselves in glory when it comes to protests, and that started long before the 2020 BLM protests. Even the night before the Women's March in Jan. 2017, Portland PD pinned peaceful protestors up against the river at Waterfront Park and brought tear gas launchers onto the bridges. And of course, no one is ever going to forget "Tear Gas Tuesday" during the BLM Protests where cops blanketed the downtown with tear gas at 5pm on a workday! They were even tossing canisters into traffic when people were just trying to go home from work.

These are just a couple of examples. The point is, you know it's bad when a Portland cop has to talk down a federal ICE agent just to keep him from committing a terrorist attack on peaceful protestors.

ICE is Stephen MIller's Gestapo complete with quotas to meet. It's long overdue that they start facing consequences for their actions!

DFW

(59,120 posts)
49. Especially when:
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:39 PM
Wednesday

Most of the thugs sent out into the streets of blue cities aren't even government agents. They are just hired mercenaries who have no written authority whatsoever to be assaulting, kidnapping and shooting at civilians who are guilty of nothing. These goons should be arrested, booked and prosecuted for crimes committed, just like anyone else who can present no justification for violent crime."I vas chust following orders" hasn't cut it since the Nürnberg trials.

If they resist arrest, well, cops these days seem to know full well how to handle that. "Stop resisting" seems to be something they can shout in their sleep. If the contracted goons resist with weapons, local law enforcement should be prepared to respond in kind. Once the Sturmabteilung is allowed to take over, it will already be too late.

CaptainTruth

(7,916 posts)
51. Effing YES! They're acting like a gang of lawless thugs, arrest every one that breaks the law!!!
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 09:10 PM
Wednesday

CanonRay

(15,653 posts)
52. Been saying this for weeks
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 09:33 PM
Wednesday

Not to mention Attempted Murder, Assault, False imprisonment, Kidnapping etc

Shipwack

(2,879 posts)
53. Way past time
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 10:14 PM
Wednesday

This should have been done long ago.

More of a ruckus should have been raised when Trump goons were taking people into unmarked vans during protests during his last term. A lack of outrage then has led to ICE goons now.

I’m so damned sick and tired of the leadership refusing to act against criminal and/or unethical practices the right pulls off. Whether it’s to preserve norms, comity, “not to tear the country apart” or whatever, there should have been efforts made. Even if the chance of success was slim, things should have been done.

Initech

(106,504 posts)
57. Actually let's go to the source and start arresting some fucking Fox News hosts!
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 10:38 PM
Wednesday

They are the source of this problem. And everything that's happening now is just bullshit theater for that damn network. Let's take it away from them!

aggiesal

(10,379 posts)
59. They're getting paid a bounty for each immigrant captured ....
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 01:45 AM
Thursday

Warrants, Warrants? We don't need no stinking warrants.
That just gets in the way of getting their bounty.

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