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Celerity

(52,458 posts)
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 09:14 AM Wednesday

The Sun Sets on the Transatlantic Dream



As Trump weakens Western alliances and democracy erodes at home, Europeans confront a painful truth: yesterday's world is gone.

https://www.socialeurope.eu/the-sun-sets-on-the-transatlantic-dream



As World War II raged in Europe in the early 1940s, Stefan Zweig’s memoir Die Welt von Gestern: Erinnerungen eines Europäers (The World of Yesterday: Memoirs of a European) was published by a German exile publisher in Stockholm. Zweig, full of sorrow, describes the “rupture of time” that brought the old Europe to an end in the fury of two terrible world wars.

Are Europeans today undergoing another such rupture? Are we once again witnessing the disappearance of the old order – the only one that most of us have ever known? If so, it is an unspeakable loss. The old order guaranteed peace, security, and prosperity – only to Western Europe, initially, but then to the rest of the European continent (with the exception of the former Yugoslavia) after 1989. That happy time now increasingly looks like The World of Yesterday 2.0.

It is worth recalling that America’s previous withdrawal from the continent created a fatal opening for radical ideologies and hateful propaganda. Under Hitler and the Nazis, extreme nationalists, glorifiers of violence and racism, enemies of democracy, and ardent supporters of dictatorship decided that their moment had come. The Nazis seized power and deliberately brought on WWII, plunging Europe into the abyss.

Where do we stand today? Russia has not only launched a war of conquest and annihilation against Ukraine but also begun to test NATO’s willingness to defend its airspace with drone intrusions into Poland and Romania, and fighter planes flying over Estonia. Still, while US statements of solidarity have often sounded rather weak since Donald Trump’s return to the White House, it would be a mistake to say that the situation is comparable to a world war.

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Kick bronxiteforever Wednesday #1
I came to this realization about a month ago newdeal2 Wednesday #2

bronxiteforever

(10,822 posts)
1. Kick
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 09:35 AM
Wednesday

This paragraph and my response:

It is worth recalling that America’s previous withdrawal from the continent created a fatal opening for radical ideologies and hateful propaganda. Under Hitler and the Nazis, extreme nationalists, glorifiers of violence and racism, enemies of democracy, and ardent supporters of dictatorship decided that their moment had come. The Nazis seized power and deliberately brought on WWII, plunging Europe into the abyss.

For me, the current illusion the US autocrats (read GOP) are operating under is that a wider war between Russia and Europe won’t involve the U.S.. The isolationism of the 30s and the America First movement carried the same illusion. History has shown that the red tide of war will cross the Atlantic and lap at the feet of Americans regardless of how many “make America great again” bromides the Trumplican party serves to the public.

newdeal2

(4,306 posts)
2. I came to this realization about a month ago
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 09:46 AM
Wednesday

On the US side of the Atlantic, we too are in mourning. The US history (however flawed) we learned in school is gone; everything we helped setup and make progress in since WW2 is being ripped to shreds and most voters don’t care. They want big changes and mostly care about themselves.

I don’t know where this will end, ultimately hopefully something more positive than Trump’s vision. But it is a sad and scary time right now.

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