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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(11,634 posts)
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 07:28 AM Wednesday

Candace Owens releases Charlie Kirk texts.."Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes"

Apparently these texts were sent less than 48 hours before his death

In the text messages, Kirk complained that a Jewish donor had pulled a $2 million annual investment from Turning Point USA because he refused to disinvite Carlson from the upcoming AmericaFest event.

He said his “Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes” but remained adamant he would not be coerced by money into changing anything about his public persona and affiliations.

“Just lost another huge Jewish donor,” Kirk wrote. “$2 million a year because we won’t cancel Tucker. I’m thinking of inviting Candace. Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this. Leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause.”


The messages were in contrast to many of Kirk’s public comments in recent years. The 31-year-old was regarded as a leading supporter of Israel in the conservative movement, frequently travelling to the country for religious and political events.
He also met his wife Erika in Israel.

In August during an interview with Megyn Kelly, Kirk said he had “a bulletproof resumé showing my defence of Israel … I believe in the scriptural land rights given to Israel. I believe in fulfilment of prophecy.”


https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/leaked-charlie-kirk-texts-show-slain-commentator-criticising-jewish-donors-for-bullying-him-over-political-affiliations/news-story/5dc9bc0c9ffa1a19eaa825b5ecd1df4d
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Candace Owens releases Charlie Kirk texts.."Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes" (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Wednesday OP
He was only pro-Israel for hire. Got it. underpants Wednesday #1
Actually evangelicals strong support Israel, despite being antisemitic, because they think Israel dsc Wednesday #4
Their "Judeo Christian values" will be the first thing to get the Leon Klinghoffer treatment once they get true power Hassin Bin Sober Wednesday #6
It's a transactional relationship. yardwork Wednesday #8
"Leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause." sop Wednesday #2
That was what caught my eye too! No qualms about Maru Kitteh Wednesday #28
He was everything for hire... JT45242 Wednesday #3
You're all missing the point Candace was trying to make. Baitball Blogger Wednesday #5
I get that point. I also want all of Kirk's bigotry on full display BlueWaveNeverEnd Wednesday #7
Kirk was told by donors he could not have Tucker or Candace as Turning Points speakers womanofthehills Wednesday #27
Candace Owens is a grifter. yardwork Wednesday #10
First of all, she made that allegation in early days. Baitball Blogger Wednesday #12
I don't agree with any of that. yardwork Wednesday #14
We're cross talking. Baitball Blogger Wednesday #16
It's not Netanyahu's MO. yardwork Wednesday #17
Israel is taking the ire of the world because of Neti. Baitball Blogger Wednesday #19
Nobody is 100% at fault for the I/P situation. yardwork Wednesday #20
What do adolescents have to do with a 31 year old man shot by a 22 niyad Wednesday #25
Correct Cosmocat Wednesday #26
She just released very interesting posts womanofthehills Wednesday #29
Candace says in case she is murdered ... womanofthehills Wednesday #31
Thanks. I was trying to understand the sequence of events Raven123 Wednesday #11
"Neti...?" Grins Wednesday #22
Netanyahu...nt Wounded Bear Wednesday #23
I guess we know where Kirk's principles lied Takket Wednesday #9
They love Israel - hate Jews. 617Blue Wednesday #13
These people love $$$ Johonny Wednesday #15
Also- Candace said Charlie wanted an audit of Turning Points money womanofthehills Wednesday #30
"No money, no loyalty." - Republican Propagandist Champp Wednesday #18
A fool and his money is soon dearly departed. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Wednesday #21
Regardless of the cause why would an individual financially support someone who opposes it? DemocratSinceBirth Wednesday #24
Who's Charlie Kirk? Gimpyknee Wednesday #32

dsc

(53,188 posts)
4. Actually evangelicals strong support Israel, despite being antisemitic, because they think Israel
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 07:57 AM
Wednesday

is a necessary part of Jesus coming again.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,281 posts)
6. Their "Judeo Christian values" will be the first thing to get the Leon Klinghoffer treatment once they get true power
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:10 AM
Wednesday

It will be “Christian values” first chance they get.

yardwork

(68,290 posts)
8. It's a transactional relationship.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:17 AM
Wednesday

Evangelical Christians want Israel to exist for a short time so that its destruction ushers in the end of times. Then the "true Christians" get raptured and the rest of us get to party in hell.

If the Democratic National Party bothered to understand evangelical Christians we'd lose fewer elections. Not because we'd get their votes but because everybody else would recoil in horror when they realized what the Evangelicals actually want.

Instead the DNC and their high-priced consultants ignore this and Trump and the rest of MAGA go on their merry way swapping coded language. Never getting called out.

Maru Kitteh

(30,799 posts)
28. That was what caught my eye too! No qualms about
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 11:51 AM
Wednesday

explicitly spelling out that his principles are tethered firmly to donation money. You know, just like Jezus.

JT45242

(3,659 posts)
3. He was everything for hire...
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 07:46 AM
Wednesday

He believed only in money.

Like Dennis Miller, he realized it is a lot easier to grift from the reactionary than anything else.

If you paid him, he would say it. Product endorsement was no different than political stances.

"Show me the money" and he would say 'pro e me wrong'

History will show Kirk as the always wrong money grabbing hate monger he was.

Baitball Blogger

(51,090 posts)
5. You're all missing the point Candace was trying to make.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:03 AM
Wednesday

Not that I support her, but she was implying, at least in the early days, that Kirk may have been the target of an assassination by Neti because Neti knew he was going to change his pro-Israel stance.

That's not where the facts are leading, but I do believe that dissecting how these influencers are bought, and then live in fear when their conscience takes them in a different direction, is very interesting.

womanofthehills

(10,473 posts)
27. Kirk was told by donors he could not have Tucker or Candace as Turning Points speakers
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 11:43 AM
Wednesday

Because of their anti genocide views.

Charlie had a BIG problem as the Republican kids at Turning Point were turning against the genocide and in order to keep Turning Points viable - he had to address genocide and his unflinching love of Israel. In the past he made some horrific jokes about Muslims.

The big upset was when Charlie invited not only Tucker but invited Jewish Podcaster/comic/Libertarian anti genocide very popular Dave Smith to Turning Points to debate the gross Josh Hammer. Consensus was that Dave won the debate. Some kids walked out but majority loved Dave. So - big bucks Jewish doners end up paying for a Turning Points event where the kids like the Libertarian more than the Republican. Went over really BAD with donors.

He was a selective bigot as he and Candace were best friends - she was his number one worker for 2 yrs traveling with him every day She toured with him last yr.

He was a bigot but Candace, Tucker and Megan Kelly were changing his genocide views or he was just changing them because Republican youth demanded it.

Candace just released very damaging text messages - sound like threats from Josh Hammer & others whereJosh Hammer reposts a 13 yr old tweet by Trump calling for public executions a day or two before Kirk is killed.

yardwork

(68,290 posts)
10. Candace Owens is a grifter.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:20 AM
Wednesday

She and the GOP can try to blame Israel for Kirk's murder but there's no evidence for that whatsoever. AFAIK Netanyahu doesn't arrange for assassinations of dumbshit campus preachers.

Baitball Blogger

(51,090 posts)
12. First of all, she made that allegation in early days.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:30 AM
Wednesday

I don't follow her, so I really don't know what she's aiming for now. But, that was her initial thought.

Second, I wouldn't make a broad brush comment that Neti doesn't arrange for assassinations. Yes, he prefers mass genocide out in the open. But, dear God, if he is in favor of mass genocide AND he's trying to keep Trump on his good side, I could see him supporting a hit.

Third. I didn't follow Charlie Kirk, either, but following in the aftermath of his murder, I did get the impression he was a threat to Trump because Kirk had solid support among the crazies and he was going against Trump on the epstein Matter. And there was also talk of a presidential run.

So, it looks like Kirk had the hate from both Trump and Neti. Not a good place to be these days.

I go back to my original post. The most intriguing thing about those emails is how the life of an influencer isn't as safe as it was once believed to be. When they take the money, then change their minds, it's interesting to see what happens next.

yardwork

(68,290 posts)
14. I don't agree with any of that.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:39 AM
Wednesday

I think that Kirk, a foolish young man who spouted hate for money, was killed by a foolish young man who didn't like what Kirk said.

The right wing immediately used Kirk's murder for gain because that's what they do. They're very skilled at doing that.

I don't see any evidence that this was a planned assassination. It was a lucky shot that almost missed and I'm glad nobody else was killed.

Never underestimate the stupidity and recklessness of adolescents, especially nowadays when they're so influenced by the stupidest parts of the internet.

Baitball Blogger

(51,090 posts)
16. We're cross talking.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:47 AM
Wednesday

I don't disagree with anything you said.

I was pointing out Candace's initial thought on the emails was to use it as evidence that Kirk may have been targeted for assassination by Neti. But even she held back, waiting to see where the evidence led. The fact leads to what you pointed out. One crazy took another crazy out.

On the comment regarding Neti and suggesting that he does have the ability to resort to supporting individual assassinations, it wasn't a comment saying that he was behind the Kirk murder. It was my reaction to your comment that it wasn't Neti's MO. I agree with you that he wasn't behind the Kirk murder, but I'm saying that he's not above using the method on someone else, if it suits him.

yardwork

(68,290 posts)
17. It's not Netanyahu's MO.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:54 AM
Wednesday

To me it's wrong to suggest that the leader of the only Jewish-majority nation on earth could easily be capable of ordering political assassinations around the globe.

I don't agree with Netanyahu's policies or actions. They're bad enough without making up other crimes he "could" be capable of doing.

Israel is not "the great Satan" and Netanyahu is not the devil.

Candace Owen's says that for money. I'm not going to help her.

Baitball Blogger

(51,090 posts)
19. Israel is taking the ire of the world because of Neti.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 09:04 AM
Wednesday

That’s a shame. Because Neti is 100% at fault for what is happening.


And we do have an impasse on whether we have the right to consider whether Neti is capable of ordering a hit. The man has so much blood on his hands, what is one more life to him?

womanofthehills

(10,473 posts)
29. She just released very interesting posts
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 12:08 PM
Wednesday

Sounds like donors etc were threatening Kirk. Josh Hammer reposts an 13 yr old sick Trump email the day before Kirk is killed

“should be public execution for all to see - you will end this bullshit fast”

Netanyahu has no problem slaughtering new borns - Turning Points was HUGE for Netanyu - its chapters are in over 1300 US high schools & colleges. Very Pro Israel - Netanyu was indoctrinating all the top Turning Point kids with tons of visits for the kids to Israel.

Republicans youth are turning anti genocide like Dems kids already have. Some polls show over 55% or higher Republican kids now are anti genocide.

Call Candace whatever but she is doing a way better job than Kash Patel at this point. Go on X and read all the posts that were just released from a meeting of six Republicans and Kirk the day before he was murdered. All those speaking out big against Israel have all said they are not suicidal - Candace, Ticker, Kim Iverson, Anna Kasparian. - in fact Jenk says if Anna is killed, Israel will have done it because her threats are directly from Israel.

womanofthehills

(10,473 posts)
31. Candace says in case she is murdered ...
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 12:46 PM
Wednesday

She has to a number of individuals she released info to -

Probably includes the many threats including every thing she knows about Turning Points, money., etc

Candace:

“ Expanding the network: Tate brothers, Dave Smith, Max Blumenthal, Tucker Carlson, Mel (@Villgecrazylady) and more will have legal files and personal text messages related to my time at Turning Point, PragerU, and Daily Wire, plus my private conversations with people like Seth Dillon and Dave Rubin.
These people have my EXPLICIT permission to release everything publicly if anything happens to me.
Charlie’s death and the audacity of the people like Josh Hammer eulogizing him means we must all share information and let the truth rise up like a lion.”

Takket

(23,288 posts)
9. I guess we know where Kirk's principles lied
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:20 AM
Wednesday

I will support your cause and pretend to not be an antisemite as long as you make me rich

What an unmitigated scumbag he was.

Johonny

(24,854 posts)
15. These people love $$$
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:41 AM
Wednesday

And will do and say anything to make it easily. They are destroying our country.

womanofthehills

(10,473 posts)
30. Also- Candace said Charlie wanted an audit of Turning Points money
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 12:17 PM
Wednesday

He didn’t know where it was all going.

“Turning Point USA, the conservative nonprofit organization, had the following financials based on its most recent IRS Form 990 filing for the fiscal year ending June 2024:

- Total Revenue: $84,988,862
- Total Expenses: $80,995,175
- Total Assets: $26,269,868
- Net Assets: $17,903,134

These figures show a net increase in assets of about $4 million for the year. Note that the organization's Turning Point Endowment separately held $64.3 million in assets as of 2024, which is not included in these core numbers. A 2025 filing covering fiscal year 2025 (ending June 2025) is not yet public as of October 2025.”

Could be off because it’s AI but gives you an idea

Champp

(2,294 posts)
18. "No money, no loyalty." - Republican Propagandist
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 08:57 AM
Wednesday

Republican ethics suck - they have none other than greed

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