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Aviation Pro

(14,895 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:46 PM Oct 3

A word on the market

Against all headwinds, the market has been “remarkably resilient” except it’s a chimera buoyed by seven stocks that are gung-hoing into the brave new world of AI.

The average American is not reaping any rewards from the sale of chips, the building of data centers and the use of tera watts of energy to float this headlong, reckless movement to our own ELE.

And pretty soon, just like the.com and mortgage bubbles, it will burst but, IMO, with far worse consequences because the American consumer will not be able to bail out the economy this time.

There, I’ve identified, again IMO, the problem and here’s a solution, stockpile as much liquidity as you can. Since January, I’ve been doing just that and will continue to do so until all vestiges of this fucking administration are figuratively horizontal.

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A word on the market (Original Post) Aviation Pro Oct 3 OP
The USD is down 11% YTD so liquidity is losing GreatGazoo Oct 3 #1
There is a bubble, it will burst, but nobody can accurately predict "soon". If it is soon it will be by chance. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 3 #2
My fabulous financial guy started moving my money PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 3 #3

GreatGazoo

(4,214 posts)
1. The USD is down 11% YTD so liquidity is losing
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:14 PM
Oct 3

In 2026 DJT will replace Powell, force further rate cuts and juice the market. Trump is a rightwing socialist who has the government openly guaranteeing certain companies will remain in profit -- eg. domestic rare earth and lithium miners: MP, LAC, USAR. Baby nuke energy: HOND.

The AI shakeout won't happen all that soon. Winners will likely be the high efficiency rack and software combos (NVTS, APLD, CRWV). AI-as-a-service will flow to the lowest cost producers but a jump in software efficiency will come with less predictable timing than any further improvements in hardware.

The index funds (SPY, QQQ) will be the first ones to get backstopped if things go south. Look at March 2020 as a model.

The market has been crazy for a long time. Went up 1% on the day the gov shutdown. heck it may go down when the gov reopens. As the Keynes saying goes the "Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent."

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,418 posts)
2. There is a bubble, it will burst, but nobody can accurately predict "soon". If it is soon it will be by chance.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:46 PM
Oct 3

Bubbles require events to burst them, and the timing of events is unpredictable.

Events might be a Fed rate hike instead of a cut, a large switch in sentiment, a terrible earnings report, a study indicating no gains from AI (unlikely), an international crisis, a big corporate bankruptcy, a massive political crisis, etc. None of those are predictable as to existence or timing.

The average American is benefiting from the boost in the economy from the construction of data centres and power supplies. Reasonable estimates say that the economy might be in recession without that or perhaps close to one.

There are many signs of a bubble. As you mention, the seven stocks are a top-heavy component of the SP500; about 35% of market value. Their PE ratio is much higher than the market and the market is itself very expensive with a PE ratio of about 26. But the Mag7 PE's are higher.

NVDA NVIDIA 53.45
MSFT Microsoft 37.93
AAPL Apple 39.16
GOOGL Alphabet 26.52
AMZN Amazon.com 33.46
META Meta Platforms 25.76
TSLA Tesla 248.45

Trailing PE ratio (12 months) is about 31.



Cyclically Adjusted PE (CAPE) is about 40 today.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,135 posts)
3. My fabulous financial guy started moving my money
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:09 PM
Oct 3

from stocks to bond funds a year ago.

It's also helpful to remember that we always have a recession with Republican administrations.

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